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#1 jaragon

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 04:38 PM

I am confused myself as you can see in my final paragraph. What audience was it made for?

 

We can blame it on that clumsy transitional period in the late sixties when heterosexually explicit films were getting wider attention. Maybe this filmmaker felt it was time to show a bit of the other kind just as provocatively as well? However he seemed so timid about what to show. So much of it is out of focus. There is just as much nudity in Woodstock, the contemporary musical documentary.

I don't think the target audience was gay this might have been sold as shocking glimpse into the gay underground- curiously there are other scenes that are very pro gay so perhaps it was a mash up of different films


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 04:06 PM

I am confused myself as you can see in my final paragraph. What audience was it made for?

 

We can blame it on that clumsy transitional period in the late sixties when heterosexually explicit films were getting wider attention. Maybe this filmmaker felt it was time to show a bit of the other kind just as provocatively as well? However he seemed so timid about what to show. So much of it is out of focus. There is just as much nudity in Woodstock, the contemporary musical documentary.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:52 PM

Now... this next film can be seen on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/...s/casftm_000001

 

Jonathan Raymond's Gay San Francisco was shown in a few film festivals in the seventies and eighties (i.e. I found at least one reference to it in a 1985 online magazine article), but was "re-discovered" at the Tenderloin Museum ( http://www.tenderloinmuseum.org/ ).

 

Apparently the black and white interviews with one sample gay male couple, one sample lesbian couple and two transgenders were shot as far back as 1965... or, at least the two guys were. What strikes me is how confident they are in their skins and, like the Sidney Poitier/Katherine Houghton pair in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, are quite willing to deal with the backlash in society. However, as one of the pairs state, San Francisco provides the few ghettos where they can be themselves without getting murdered in cold blood.

 

Some of the travelogue footage looks vintage mid-1968 by the billboards and other details. My guess is that all of the color footage is post-'68.

 

The party scenes, some black and white, feature memorable 45 singles playing, the most recent being Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". As long as the song wasn't specifically heterosexual (i.e. a guy singing about a girl or vice versa), it fit the mood.

 

The drag show celebrating Halloween likely dates post-Stonewall 1969.

 

The most recent footage (likely 1970) involves some full frontal nudity and out-of-focus "soft core" couplings. I find this footage the most antiquated. While the filmmaker is fighting for gay rights, most films that came later would focus on clothed people doing nonsexual activities to emphasize how "normal" they are compared to heterosexual society. Showing the carnal activities makes it too sensationalist, as if most people bothering to see this movie came to see something kinky and "forbidden" on screen. Then again, maybe this was also intended for a mostly gay audience that wanted some matter-of-fact erotic material.

The narration is priceless- but it's a strange documentary mixing serious scenes with outrageous bits like  that soft focus porn interlude.  Who was this movie made for? 


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 10:05 AM

Now... this next film can be seen on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/...s/casftm_000001

 

Jonathan Raymond's Gay San Francisco was shown in a few film festivals in the seventies and eighties (i.e. I found at least one reference to it in a 1985 online magazine article), but was "re-discovered" at the Tenderloin Museum ( http://www.tenderloinmuseum.org/ ).

 

Apparently the black and white interviews with one sample gay male couple, one sample lesbian couple and two transgenders were shot as far back as 1965... or, at least the two guys were. What strikes me is how confident they are in their skins and, like the Sidney Poitier/Katherine Houghton pair in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, are quite willing to deal with the backlash in society. However, as one of the pairs state, San Francisco provides the few ghettos where they can be themselves without getting murdered in cold blood.

 

Some of the travelogue footage looks vintage mid-1968 by the billboards and other details. My guess is that all of the color footage is post-'68.

 

The party scenes, some black and white, feature memorable 45 singles playing, the most recent being Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". As long as the song wasn't specifically heterosexual (i.e. a guy singing about a girl or vice versa), it fit the mood.

 

The drag show celebrating Halloween likely dates post-Stonewall 1969.

 

The most recent footage (likely 1970) involves some full frontal nudity and out-of-focus "soft core" couplings. I find this footage the most antiquated. While the filmmaker is fighting for gay rights, most films that came later would focus on clothed people doing nonsexual activities to emphasize how "normal" they are compared to heterosexual society. Showing the carnal activities makes it too sensationalist, as if most people bothering to see this movie came to see something kinky and "forbidden" on screen. Then again, maybe this was also intended for a mostly gay audience that wanted some matter-of-fact erotic material.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 10:02 AM

I moved this post to another thread.



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 06:58 AM

"Me, Him, Her" - Max Landis - 2014/2015

 

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This film seems to be working at cross purposes - 

 

a closeted gay actor - Brendan (Luke Bracey) - wants to come out of the closet and enlists the aid of his straight friend - Cory (Dustin Milligan) -

 

Brendan was secretly kissed by Steve (Kyle Bornheimer) and will never be the same -

 

but Cory becomes involved with a lesbian, Gabbi (Emily Meade) and they experience a powerful love/hate relationship -

 

Gabbi has just been dumped by her girlfriend, a rather wired type who is played by Angela Sarafyan -

 

meanwhile, the story of poor Brendan gets sidetracked although he does "come out" on the red carpet without Cory's help -

 

the story of Cory, Gabbi and her girlfriend and Gabbi's two friends just seems bizarre rather than that interesting -

 

the story of Brendan's coming out at the same time that he has become a big star on TV in a series called "Straight Arrow" has far more comic potential, but, unfortunately, that comic potential is never realized -

 

too bad, because, as Brendan, Luke Bracey is just so attractive that you want so much more of him -

 

but, thank God, the director has given us a near-nude scene which practically knocks us off our feet -

 

I do wish that Max Landis would re-visit the material and concentrate on Brendan and Steve. 

 

nevertheless,  like a banana split, Luke Bracey needs to be "tasted".

Interestingly, Luke Bracey's parents are played by Geena Davis and Scott Bakula.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 06:51 AM

I do believe that Max Landis is the son of John Landis.

 

The film itself was made for $5 million.

 

Who to save - your gay best friend or your recent lesbian conquest? -

 

I'd save my gay best friend!

 

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:44 PM

What man doesn't want to be kissed by Kyle Bornheimer? https://youtu.be/hI-LYnhN4tA


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:36 PM

"Me, Him, Her" - Max Landis - 2014/2015

 

luke-bracey-me-him-her-movie-image.jpeg

 

This film seems to be working at cross purposes - 

 

a closeted gay actor - Brendan (Luke Bracey) - wants to come out of the closet and enlists the aid of his straight friend - Cory (Dustin Milligan) -

 

Brendan was secretly kissed by Steve (Kyle Bornheimer) and will never be the same -

 

but Cory becomes involved with a lesbian, Gabbi (Emily Meade) and they experience a powerful love/hate relationship -

 

Gabbi has just been dumped by her girlfriend, a rather wired type who is played by Angela Sarafyan -

 

meanwhile, the story of poor Brendan gets sidetracked although he does "come out" on the red carpet without Cory's help -

 

the story of Cory, Gabbi and her girlfriend and Gabbi's two friends just seems bizarre rather than that interesting -

 

the story of Brendan's coming out at the same time that he has become a big star on TV in a series called "Straight Arrow" has far more comic potential, but, unfortunately, that comic potential is never realized -

 

too bad, because, as Brendan, Luke Bracey is just so attractive that you want so much more of him -

 

but, thank God, the director has given us a near-nude scene which practically knocks us off our feet -

 

I do wish that Max Landis would re-visit the material and concentrate on Brendan and Steve. 

 

nevertheless,  like a banana split, Luke Bracey needs to be "tasted".


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

The leading men look very cute :)

They are - SO CUTE!


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:37 AM

"The Ten Year Plan" - 2014 - J. C. Calciano

 

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This gay film plays like a fairly predictable tale of two gay young men, Myles and Brody, who have been friends for ten long years and have always been there for each other through thick and thin.

 

There is more than enough to say about that kind of sustaining relationship.

 

If a date walks out on Myles, he can call Brody about it.

 

And Brody is always on the phone to Myles.

 

Both characters are cliches - Myles is a lawyer, impeccably dressed and laid back, who is looking for love, NOT SEX - Brody is a policeman who just loves men and can't get enough of them.

 

But these particular cliches are very well-written - I credit the director, who also wrote the screenplay - they emerge as fully-realized human beings.

 

I also credit the actors, Jack Turner as Myles and Michael Adam Hamilton as Brody, who just happen to have terrific chemistry together.

 

Can a director/scenarist and his two principal actors rescue cliches?

 

Yes, they can - making them engaging, empathetic and important.

 

You want happiness for both Myles and Brody.

 

In the end, need I tell you, they realize that, as different as they are, they were made for each other.

 

Yes, opposites attract - and can fall in love and spend the rest of their lives together.

 

So, despite the familiarity of the material, the director and his two stars make us care deeply about the storyline.

 

See this one, if you want to be convinced that "love" can happen anywhere, anytime.

 

If this love happens to people who are walking through it with their eyes wide open. 

 

TWO STARS ARE BORN - 

 

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The leading men look very cute :)


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 08:47 AM

"The Ten Year Plan" - 2014 - J. C. Calciano

 

tumblr_nqqdwjtN7q1uz75hko1_400.gif

 

This gay film plays like a fairly predictable tale of two gay young men, Myles and Brody, who have been friends for ten long years and have always been there for each other through thick and thin.

 

There is more than enough to say about that kind of sustaining relationship.

 

If a date walks out on Myles, he can call Brody about it.

 

And Brody is always on the phone to Myles.

 

Both characters are cliches - Myles is a lawyer, impeccably dressed and laid back, who is looking for love, NOT SEX - Brody is a policeman who just loves men and can't get enough of them.

 

But these particular cliches are very well-written - I credit the director, who also wrote the screenplay - they emerge as fully-realized human beings.

 

I also credit the actors, Jack Turner as Myles and Michael Adam Hamilton as Brody, who just happen to have terrific chemistry together.

 

Can a director/scenarist and his two principal actors rescue cliches?

 

Yes, they can - making them engaging, empathetic and important.

 

You want happiness for both Myles and Brody.

 

In the end, need I tell you, they realize that, as different as they are, they were made for each other.

 

Yes, opposites attract - and can fall in love and spend the rest of their lives together.

 

So, despite the familiarity of the material, the director and his two stars make us care deeply about the storyline.

 

See this one, if you want to be convinced that "love" can happen anywhere, anytime.

 

If this love happens to people who are walking through it with their eyes wide open. 

 

TWO STARS ARE BORN - 

 

The-10-Year-Plan-DI-1.jpg


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:37 PM

"Those People" - 2015 - Joey Kuhn

 

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While I was watching this film, I thought of two things -

 

It hurts, HURTS - to be in love.

 

and

 

Like watching a car crash, you can't look at it and you can't look away.

 

This gay film is so emotionally complex that it does actually hurt - a lot.

 

Charlie and Sebastian are rich, young and gay.

 

As friends, they have been together for fifteen years.

 

They are practically attached at the hip.

 

But, while their relationship does sometimes border on the sexual, they have never been to bed with each other.

 

Charlie (Jonathan Gordon) and Sebastian (Jason Ralph) are, in fact, "opposites", but that difference would seem to be the nature of their "attraction".

 

The worm in the apple?

 

Enter Tim, a struggling musician, and older than Charlie, who falls in love with Charlie, even gets to seduce him and wants to take him to San Francisco.

 

This piece of news doesn't go down well with Sebastian, whose father, a Bernie Madoff type, has just committed suicide in prison.

 

Sebastian almost kills himself in suicidal despair - is it the loss of Charlie, the loss of his father or both?

 

So, what does Charlie do?

 

Well, you may not agree.

 

But he gives up Tim and stays with Sebastian.

 

Will Charlie and Sebastian get "closer"?

 

Or are they "close enough"?

 

This gay film is such an intriguing exploration of the nature of love - what it means and what it can mean.

 

Jonathan Gordon (Charlie), Jason Frank (Sebastian) and Haaz Sleiman (Tim) are gorgeous men who are absolute perfection in this film.

 

This film will haunt you for a long time.

 

Because it involves a choice that is "controversial" to say the least.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

"Those People" - 2015 - Joey Kuhn

 

those-people-20154838.jpg

 

While I was watching this film, I thought of two things -

 

It hurts, HURTS - to be in love.

 

and

 

Like watching a car crash, you can't look at it and you can't look away.

 

This gay film is so emotionally complex that it does actually hurt - a lot.

 

Charlie and Sebastian are rich, young and gay.

 

As friends, they have been together for fifteen years.

 

They are practically attached at the hip.

 

But, while their relationship does sometimes border on the sexual, they have never been to bed with each other.

 

Charlie (Jonathan Gordon) and Sebastian (Jason Ralph) are, in fact, "opposites", but that difference would seem to be the nature of their "attraction".

 

The worm in the apple?

 

Enter Tim, a struggling musician, and older than Charlie, who falls in love with Charlie, even gets to seduce him and wants to take him to San Francisco.

 

This piece of news doesn't go down well with Sebastian, whose father, a Bernie Madoff type, has just committed suicide in prison.

 

Sebastian almost kills himself in suicidal despair - is it the loss of Charlie, the loss of his father or both?

 

So, what does Charlie do?

 

Well, you may not agree.

 

But he gives up Tim and stays with Sebastian.

 

Will Charlie and Sebastian get "closer"?

 

Or are they "close enough"?

 

This gay film is such an intriguing exploration of the nature of love - what it means and what it can mean.

 

Jonathan Gordon (Charlie), Jason Frank (Sebastian) and Haaz Sleiman (Tim) are gorgeous men who are absolute perfection in this film.

 

This film will haunt you for a long time.

 

Because it involves a choice that is "controversial" to say the least.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:21 AM

You are never going to loose money with gay guys hanging out at the beachttps://youtu.be/2SuRX_Y5fII


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:28 AM

LIKE YOU MEAN IT sounds interesting. Another great review.

You'll fall in love with Mark and Jonah.

 

The film ends on a partially-hopeful note.

 

"Marriage" is work - walking away is way too easy.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:58 AM

LIKE YOU MEAN IT sounds interesting. Another great review.


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:06 AM

"Like You Mean It" - 2015 - written and directed by Philipp Harner

 

This gay film is about two young gay men, Mark and Jonah, who are enjoying a three-year relationship.

 

But, suddenly, there seems to be cracks in the relationship.

 

But, at this point, there is no separation.

 

They go to a marriage counseler.

 

But Mark has trouble with the "exercises".

 

Jonah is more open to trying, but he seems rather perplexed, too.

 

Mark seems to be more of the problem than Jonah actually is.

 

Mark is a struggling actor who is unhappy with his career.

 

Jonah is a struggling musician who doesn't seem troubled, in the least.

 

Mark pushes himself into a hook-up with an old flame.

 

But it's a hook-up that goes nowhere.

 

Jonah is finally abandoned at a street corner.

 

He simply walks away.

 

This American film has a distinctly European flavor.

 

In fact, if Michaelangelo Antonioni were gay, he might've come up with something like this.

 

For example, in explaining what Mark and Jonah have lost, the film reverts constantly to imagery - an idyllic mountainside tryst in which the two of them are lost in love

 

In this film, imagery is far more important than - explanatory dialogue.

 

That's the unique strength of this film - that it exists visually rather than verbally.

 

 At the end, Mark runs into Jonah at a wedding.

 

He wants to tell Jonah about everything about Jonah that he, Mark, has appreciated.

 

He has a list.

 

He starts to read it.

 

The film ends.

 

We don't need the list.

 

We have seen - experienced - Mark and Jonah's life together.

 

If this film had come to us from Europe, it probably would have been an art house sensation.    


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:36 AM

In case you are interested, the book is "Cobra Killer Gay Porn Murder and The Manhunt To Bring The Killers To Justice" by Andrew E. Stoner and Peter A. Conway.

 

Sounds most interesting. Thanks Ray for mentioning it.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:27 AM

In case you are interested, the book is "Cobra Killer Gay Porn Murder and The Manhunt To Bring The Killers To Justice" by Andrew E. Stoner and Peter A. Conway.


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