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#21 jaragon

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 08:03 PM

Harvey Fierstein gives a superb performance in the movie, "Torch Song Trilogy", because he lives and breathes the appellation, "homosexual".

 

A straight actor, no matter how talented, could NOT have duplicated Harvey Fierstein's performance.

 

I remember the actor, Tony Bill, saying that, in the film version of "Torch Song Trilogy", only a gay actor should be used for the lead  role.

I think it all depends on the role - personally I never believe Al Pacino as Cuban in "Scarface"- there are certain traits that no matter how talented an actor can pull off.  The sexuality question is trickier-  there is not doubt that gay actor playing a gay character will bring an added dimension to the role but in the other hand Heath Ledger who was straight is heart breaking real in "Brokeback Mountain"


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 05:12 PM

I think this is a much trickier issue than people realize. It's not exactly about everyone with equal opportunity. If that were the case, then tall people should have a shot at roles for munchkins and a white guy should have been able to play Sidney Poitier's role in GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER. Hollywood is not the land of equal opportunity, and when it comes to casting very specific roles, it shouldn't be. Anyone who logically fits the description of the character type and also has the talent to pull it off should be allowed to audition for it. But saying that everyone under the sun should be brought in to have a shot at the role is just not practical.

 

I am going to create a new thread in the near future when I have time to digest a few things, but I watch several British serials each day and some of the straight actors who play gay roles and some of the gay actors who play straight roles are not convincing. This happens in American soaps too, but because the British soaps truly foreground gay couples it's a little easier to look at what's going on in the British shows. In my opinion it destroys the integrity of the story when you have an unbelievable casting choice "acting" something they are not.

Harvey Fierstein gives a superb performance in the movie, "Torch Song Trilogy", because he lives and breathes the appellation, "homosexual".

 

A straight actor, no matter how talented, could NOT have duplicated Harvey Fierstein's performance.

 

I remember the actor, Tony Bill, saying that, in the film version of "Torch Song Trilogy", only a gay actor should be used for the lead  role.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 09:36 AM

This kind of thing depresses the hell out of me.  Gee, it used to be called acting.  Whatever happened to hiring someone to play a transsexual who wasn't one?  Or a physically challenged person who wasn't one?  Casting should be wide open - meaning there's no reason why a physically challenged person can't play a role that doesn't have anything to do with their physical challenge. It's so aggravating. I always remember - this isn't the same thing - that Lou Gossett had the role in Officer and a Gentleman because his agent submitted him even though the cast list didn't specify an Afro-American actor. That's how casting should be, so that everyone has an opportunity.  

 

I think this is a much trickier issue than people realize. It's not exactly about everyone with equal opportunity. If that were the case, then tall people should have a shot at roles for munchkins and a white guy should have been able to play Sidney Poitier's role in GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER. Hollywood is not the land of equal opportunity, and when it comes to casting very specific roles, it shouldn't be. Anyone who logically fits the description of the character type and also has the talent to pull it off should be allowed to audition for it. But saying that everyone under the sun should be brought in to have a shot at the role is just not practical.

 

I am going to create a new thread in the near future when I have time to digest a few things, but I watch several British serials each day and some of the straight actors who play gay roles and some of the gay actors who play straight roles are not convincing. This happens in American soaps too, but because the British soaps truly foreground gay couples it's a little easier to look at what's going on in the British shows. In my opinion it destroys the integrity of the story when you have an unbelievable casting choice "acting" something they are not.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 07:59 PM

This kind of thing depresses the hell out of me.  Gee, it used to be called acting.  Whatever happened to hiring someone to play a transsexual who wasn't one?  Or a physically challenged person who wasn't one?  Casting should be wide open - meaning there's no reason why a physically challenged person can't play a role that doesn't have anything to do with their physical challenge. It's so aggravating. I always remember - this isn't the same thing - that Lou Gossett had the role in Officer and a Gentleman because his agent submitted him even though the cast list didn't specify an Afro-American actor. That's how casting should be, so that everyone has an opportunity.  

 

I agree.   Anyone that doesn't must also believe that transgender individuals should ONLY BE cast in transgender roles.   (but of course they never see that side of this).


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:42 PM

Mark Ruffalo, the actor, is the executive producer of a new film about a trans gender woman who becomes involved with a Mississippi widower.

 

It is based on a play by Tim McNeil.  The trans gender woman is a Los Angeles sex worker.

 

Mark Ruffalo has decided to cast Matt Bomer in the lead role.

 

Mark Ruffalo and Matt Bomer starred together in the first-rate TV adaptation of Larry Kramer's play, "The Normal Heart".

 

But controversy is already bubbling up, because Matt Bomer is a man - yes, an openly gay man - who has been chosen to play a trans gender woman.

 

The reasoning seems to be - with so many trans gender women already available in the acting community - why can't one of them be given the leading role?

 

Personally, I think that Matt Bomer, although an openly gay man who lives with his husband and three children, would be absolutely terrific in the leading role.

 

He won an Emmy for his performance in "The Normal Heart", he is an excellent actor, and he has an androgynous quality, anyway.

 

Hopefully, the controversy will die down and the project will go forward.

 

Matt Bomer is a bankable name now - and his participation will give the project a high-profile frame of reference.

 

If it does happen, I am predicting acting awards for Matt Bomer.

 

Incidentally, Matt Bomer is one of the most beautiful men alive.

 

Looking at him, appreciating him, is already "an experience".

 

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This kind of thing depresses the hell out of me.  Gee, it used to be called acting.  Whatever happened to hiring someone to play a transsexual who wasn't one?  Or a physically challenged person who wasn't one?  Casting should be wide open - meaning there's no reason why a physically challenged person can't play a role that doesn't have anything to do with their physical challenge. It's so aggravating. I always remember - this isn't the same thing - that Lou Gossett had the role in Officer and a Gentleman because his agent submitted him even though the cast list didn't specify an Afro-American actor. That's how casting should be, so that everyone has an opportunity.  


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:33 PM

Jarrod, yes, I firmly believe that women can still fantasize about having him.

 

And he is a very good actor, he would be believable in a heterosexual role.

 

He played a heterosexual man in the "Magic Mike" movies.

 

If I can fantasize about having an Errol Flynn or a Brad Pitt, why can't a woman or women fantasize about having a gay actor?

 

The thrill of a "challenge" can play into it all, right?

 

But Matt Bomer's beauty is so exquisite - well, to me, it would be a great plus to cast him in a heterosexual role.

 

I'd like it to be a romantic comedy with a reigning Hollywood beauty.

 

Only the big screen can encompass the full extent of his extraordinarliy good looks.

 

Well here's the thing. Matt Bomer is a gorgeous man, and I don't see why he can't be cast in a straight role.  Women would still go for it. Fans fall not only for the looks but the persona - it could be if they met him, he wouldn't appeal to them. But on the screen is a different story. I knew Rock Hudson was gay but I always enjoyed his movies.  It used to be we didn't know about the sex lives of these individuals. As far as the actual acting is concerned, it should still be that way. 



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Posted 04 September 2016 - 12:06 PM

Bomer's  career is doing well even after he came out - he has the lead in "The Last Tycoon". I would love to see him in a major movie role straight or gay- that face was made for the movies


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 11:55 AM

The first time I watched him on screen was in the early 2000s on Guiding Light. He played a young man who acted as a paid male escort for older women. The story didn't exactly work, and he was killed off the show. 

 

Maureen Garrett, the actress who played his stepmother on the soap, has since come out of the closet. She and her partner were raising two children together at the time (I think those kids are now raised). When I look at Bomer's scenes with her, especially the ones where his character died, there was good stuff the two of them put across for viewers.


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 10:56 AM

The fact that Matt Bomer is married and has kids is another big plus, I would guess.

 

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

Not sure what you mean by this, Ray. Are you saying that women can still fantasize about having him, and that's why he should be cast in heterosexual love stories? 

 

Shouldn't his first consideration be whether or not the script is any good? And shouldn't producers and casting directors look more at whether has the technical skill to pull off a role, regardless of his personal life?

Jarrod, yes, I firmly believe that women can still fantasize about having him.

 

And he is a very good actor, he would be believable in a heterosexual role.

 

He played a heterosexual man in the "Magic Mike" movies.

 

If I can fantasize about having an Errol Flynn or a Brad Pitt, why can't a woman or women fantasize about having a gay actor?

 

The thrill of a "challenge" can play into it all, right?

 

But Matt Bomer's beauty is so exquisite - well, to me, it would be a great plus to cast him in a heterosexual role.

 

I'd like it to be a romantic comedy with a reigning Hollywood beauty.

 

Only the big screen can encompass the full extent of his extraordinarliy good looks.


"I was born the day she kissed me.  I died the day she left me.  I lived a few weeks while she loved me." - Humphrey Bogart in "In A Lonely Place".


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 10:24 AM

Let's not pigeonhole one of the great beauties of our time.

 

To my way of thinking, the line of reasoning - "Oh, he's gay AND he's taken!" - simply does not apply anymore.

 

Not sure what you mean by this, Ray. Are you saying that women can still fantasize about having him, and that's why he should be cast in heterosexual love stories? 

 

Shouldn't his first consideration be whether or not the script is any good? And shouldn't producers and casting directors look more at whether has the technical skill to pull off a role, regardless of his personal life?


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:39 AM

Matt Bomer was once mentioned for the lead role in "Fifty Shades Of Grey".

 

If he was seriously considered, to my knowledge, he was not offered the role.

 

But I don't believe that he wanted that kind of career.

 

But I do wish that he'd be offered the lead in a big-screen (heterosexual) romance.

 

He is so beautiful. what woman would not be intrigued?

 

And, if the film was a success, he would've been instrumental in a casting revolution.

 

Let's not pigeonhole one of the great beauties of our time.

 

To my way of thinking, the line of reasoning - "Oh, he's gay AND he's taken!" - simply does not apply anymore.

 

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 09:47 PM

Usually I want to see a happy ending if I think the world the characters inhabit reflects mine. But if it's a story that seems unrealistic, contrived to sell a point of view, then I prefer it to play like (soap) opera, where they have to serve a purpose that can only occur through their misery or self-destruction. 

It all depends on the story in horror films for example we know things will never end well ( well at least for a while until the sequel) Classic love stories from "Rome and Juliet" to "Brokeback Mountain" have unhappy endings- just watched "Cabaret" which has a realistic ending.


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Posted 03 September 2016 - 07:02 PM

These days for personal reasons I prefer films with happy endings-yes I can see the point of tragedy- and "Last Exit to Brooklyn" borders on the operatic.

 

Usually I want to see a happy ending if I think the world the characters inhabit reflects mine. But if it's a story that seems unrealistic, contrived to sell a point of view, then I prefer it to play like (soap) opera, where they have to serve a purpose that can only occur through their misery or self-destruction. 


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Posted 03 September 2016 - 06:41 PM

Is it better sometimes when nobody gets a happy ending..? (Meaning it makes a stronger point, gives the audience something to think about after it's over.)

These days for personal reasons I prefer films with happy endings-yes I can see the point of tragedy- and "Last Exit to Brooklyn" borders on the operatic.


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Posted 03 September 2016 - 11:30 AM

"Last Exit to Brooklyn" is an interesting but very dark film specially in its treatment of the gay characters- well nobody here gets a happy ending.   

 

Is it better sometimes when nobody gets a happy ending..? (Meaning it makes a stronger point, gives the audience something to think about after it's over.)


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Posted 03 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

"Last Exit to Brooklyn" is an interesting but very dark film specially in its treatment of the gay characters- well nobody here gets a happy ending.   


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Posted 02 September 2016 - 03:43 PM

TopBilled, if you're a fan of fine acting - and I know that you are - I have little doubt that you will see this movie one day.

 

Ironically, Jared Leto got some negative criticism, because he was supposedly playing a "trans cliche".

 

But the performance is so real - and so persuasive - that he transcends the false charge - "trans cliche".

 

Since then, Alexis Arquette, who has since transitioned, has spoken openly of his one-night stand with Jared Leto.

 

Interesting stuff, Ray. I don't know much about the personal lives of these performers. 


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Posted 02 September 2016 - 02:27 PM

TopBilled, if you're a fan of fine acting - and I know that you are - I have little doubt that you will see this movie one day.

 

Ironically, Jared Leto got some negative criticism, because he was supposedly playing a "trans cliche".

 

But the performance is so real - and so persuasive - that he transcends the false charge - "trans cliche".

 

Since then, Alexis Arquette, who has since transitioned, has spoken openly of his one-night stand with Jared Leto.

 

Why, Mr. Arquette, why?

 

In doing so, you only make yourself look BAD.

 

Yes, you gave a great performance as a gay boy in "Last Exit to Brooklyn" - and, yes, that film failed miserably at the box office - but why try to "damage" another actor's glory?

 

"Georgette" and the boys - 

 

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Posted 02 September 2016 - 12:23 PM

My wife loves Bomer so she will be disappointed,   but NOT because he is gay,  but because he is taken.    She is always trying to set her brother up.     Sadly the guy doesn't date much because his 'gang' is a bunch of 40+ divorced and bitter single women.    That is so 90s. 

 

You've mentioned him before (in other threads).

 

But there are worse things than being stuck in a 90s state of mind. LOL


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