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#1 Vautrin

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Posted Yesterday, 03:36 PM


 

 

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His eye is on the scammer.


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#2 Vautrin

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Posted Yesterday, 03:35 PM

It should. It's a bad religion. Even if 95% of Muslims won't bring themselves to act upon the worst, most aggressive edicts still in effect, that leaves many millions of practitioners to be concerned with.

 

Beware of false prophets - you will know them by their fruit - Jesus of Nazareth

 

Look at Islam - everywhere it is - and tell me what kind of fruit you think it has brought to its own people (or to anyone else).

I don't think it's any worse than other religions. It just seems to be in a

fundamentalist phase for some adherents. Maybe that will change over

time, maybe not. That the great majority of Muslims do not act on what

is in the Quran just shows that, like most people of whatever religious

persuasion, they do not act on what is literal in their sacred books. And

the threat of the Islamists is rather minor. People can be kind, merciful,

and peaceful without any religious belief.


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#3 Vautrin

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Posted Yesterday, 03:22 PM

"Bigotry" is not phobia. Nobody is afraid that homosexuals are going to force any of us to become homosexual ourselves.

 

And as long as we're not forced to watch men doing you know what to one another's bums, most of us can live with the existence of homosexuals. Fear doesn't enter into it. Revulsion at the imagining perhaps, but that's not fear.

From a purely linguistic point, one can certainly make the argument

that homophobia is misused as very few people physically fear

homosexuals. But it's become part of the common parlance, so I

have no big problem with the word meaning bigotry and prejudice

toward homosexuals.


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#4 jamesjazzguitar

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Posted Yesterday, 02:33 PM

There are some, and the number is debatable, that fear exposure to homosexuality will "awaken" homosexual feelings in themselves. Therefore, "thou dost protest too much" comes into play, and that would be homophobia. It's not fear of other homosexuals, or homosexual acts, but rather the possibility of homosexuality within themselves. Look at how many of the most vocal anti-homosexual advocates end up in a motel room with a gay prostitute. And they all seem to have an "R" next to their names in the newspapers. 

 

Well said.   In addition there is a fear that with the normalization of sex with someone of the same gender, people will become more bisexual or sexual explorers, if you will.     

 

E.g.  There is a reality show Vanderpump Rules on Bravo.   The majority of the young women on the show admit to dipping in the "girl pond" (an expression used by Bravo for women on women sexual encounters and used frequently).     These women all have boyfriends and state that the vast majority of their sexual encounters are with men but when they get drunk (and they drink a lot!),  well, things happen.

 

Of course this type of behavior has always occurred,  but at same frequency?  E.g. normalization didn't increase the frequency but only the number of people willing to openly admit it.   

 

Either way there is nothing to fear going on here.   No one is being hurt. 



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Posted Yesterday, 02:15 PM

From the Washington Post

 

  Politics •  Analysis Trump now agrees with the majority of Americans: He wasn’t ready to be president "I thought it would be easier," Trump said of the presidency. By Philip Bump  •  Read more »


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Posted Yesterday, 02:01 PM

We've got a very interesting and profound topic here that could easily go into a new thread.

As my old history teacher used to say --never debate politics and religion if you've got an appointment or you have to get up early in the morning because you're never going to come to any conclusions and you'll be at it all night.

I'm looking forward to the new thread.

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Posted Yesterday, 01:59 PM

Let's get this thread back on track:

 

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LOL.



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Posted Yesterday, 01:46 PM

Let's get this thread back on track:

 

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Posted Yesterday, 01:28 PM

Nearly all of them say that in one part or another of their texts, and then contradict it somewhere else. I'm going to guess that you're referring to Christianity, "I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." -Jesus, Matthew 10:34. Like with most religion, 

 

The sword He brings is the sword that cuts you from those who do not hear or enter upon the path He has illuminated. Many, many converts were put to the sword, but none took up the sword against others. The sword was indeed brought - both symbolic, cutting a man from his friends and family - from those who would not follow Christ as that man would, and actual - the sword that put to death many, many martyrs.

 

Indeed, He brought a sword - but He did not give a sword to His followers to use, unless you wish to view faith as their sword.

 

What is religion? It's the endeavor to return to God. That's all it is. Christ has made it as simple as it can be - peace, charity, mercy, forgiveness. There's nothing else we need to understand.

 

And no, I'm not referring to Christianity. Christianity is for churches.

 

I'm referring to following Christ. 


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Posted Yesterday, 01:20 PM

Is that one about being at all times peaceful, charitable, merciful and forgiving? Does it forbid doing violence to other people - even if they don't believe?

 

Then yes, it's a good one.

 

Nearly all of them say that in one part or another of their texts, and then contradict it somewhere else. I'm going to guess that you're referring to Christianity, "I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." -Jesus, Matthew 10:34. Like with most religion, it can be interpreted to suit the needs of the reader, but here's some further reading:

 

http://www.realclear...lent_jesus.html

 

They all have common sense "golden rule" admonishments, while also calling for violence if certain parameters are met. Islam is getting the most vilification at the moment because a loud, violent minority is in their "Crusader/Inquisition" phase. Oh, and people always need an enemy, or else they destroy themselves. And sometimes they do both at the same time, like the U.S. in the past 15 years.



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Posted Yesterday, 01:19 PM

There are some, and the number is debatable, that fear exposure to homosexuality will "awaken" homosexual feelings in themselves. Therefore, "thou dost protest too much" comes into play, and that would be homophobia. It's not fear of other homosexuals, or homosexual acts, but rather the possibility of homosexuality within themselves. Look at how many of the most vocal anti-homosexual advocates end up in a motel room with a gay prostitute. And they all seem to have an "R" next to their names in the newspapers. 

 

Nonsense. People are what they are. If they're attracted to the same gender, they are. If they're not , they're not. 

 

They aren't afraid of "awakenings". If they're desirous of intimacy with the same gender, they're already "awakened".

 

They're afraid of the societal consequences in a mostly heterosexual world of being found out perhaps - but that's not the same as being afraid of homosexuals. That's fear of being labeled and ostracized.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:04 PM

Let me guess...Zoroastrianism? All hail Ahura Mazda!

 

Is that one about being at all times peaceful, charitable, merciful and forgiving? Does it forbid doing violence to other people - even if they don't believe?

 

Then yes, it's a good one.


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Posted Yesterday, 12:57 PM

Yes.

 

Let me guess...Zoroastrianism? All hail Ahura Mazda!



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Posted Yesterday, 12:55 PM

Is there a good one?

 

Yes.


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Posted Yesterday, 12:52 PM

It should. It's a bad religion. 

 

Is there a good one?



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Posted Yesterday, 12:36 PM

Fear of radicals Islamists makes sense, not fear of the whole religion. 

 

It should. It's a bad religion. Even if 95% of Muslims won't bring themselves to act upon the worst, most aggressive edicts still in effect, that leaves many millions of practitioners to be concerned with.

 

Beware of false prophets - you will know them by their fruit - Jesus of Nazareth

 

Look at Islam - everywhere it is - and tell me what kind of fruit you think it has brought to its own people (or to anyone else).


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Posted Yesterday, 12:32 PM

"Bigotry" is not phobia. Nobody is afraid that homosexuals are going to force any of us to become homosexual ourselves.

 

And as long as we're not forced to watch men doing you know what to one another's bums, most of us can live with the existence of homosexuals. Fear doesn't enter into it. Revulsion at the imagining perhaps, but that's not fear.

 

There are some, and the number is debatable, that fear exposure to homosexuality will "awaken" homosexual feelings in themselves. Therefore, "thou dost protest too much" comes into play, and that would be homophobia. It's not fear of other homosexuals, or homosexual acts, but rather the possibility of homosexuality within themselves. Look at how many of the most vocal anti-homosexual advocates end up in a motel room with a gay prostitute. And they all seem to have an "R" next to their names in the newspapers. 


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Posted Yesterday, 12:27 PM

I don't think there is a physical fear of homosexuals, but I have little doubt that some people have a cultural fear and feel a revulsion toward gay people, which leads to bigotry. 

 

"Bigotry" is not phobia. Nobody is afraid that homosexuals are going to force any of us to become homosexual ourselves.

 

And as long as we're not forced to watch men doing you know what to one another's bums, most of us can live with the existence of homosexuals. Fear doesn't enter into it. Revulsion at the imagining perhaps, but that's not fear.


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Posted Yesterday, 12:13 PM

Same lame, weak, cowardly answer. Be specific, cupcake. Or drop this tired BS already and learn a new song.

 

 

LOL.



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:44 PM

The first is a real thing, the second not. There's no reason to fear homosexuals. Homosexuality as a practice may engender a personal aversion, but it's not a fear.

 

Fear of Islam is just common sense. Islam is a painfully oppressive, punishing patriarchy - the exact opposite of the western cultures we have been developing and would like to continue developing.

I don't think there is a physical fear of homosexuals, but I have little

doubt that some people have a cultural fear and feel a revulsion

toward gay people, which leads to bigotry. Fear of radicals Islamists

makes sense, not fear of the whole religion. Of course it is more

oppressive in some countries than in others. And maybe one day

Islam will excise its more oppressive features, just as Christianity

has done to some degree.


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