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#41 jamesjazzguitar

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 07:41 PM

Not saying there were not missteps in both the primaries and the general election, but Dems need to determine what they were and how to improve the party for all factions.  That's why new leadership is needed.  But, the Dems must not hand the GOPers the next three election cycles on a silver platter.  Which is what will happen if they become the party of extreme liberalism.

 

Will have to wait and see, but I don't believe anyone is asking for one faction to submit to the other.  There are actually many different factions in the Dem Party.

 

It appears to me that the "progressive/liberal" wing is demanding that the "establishment" faction submit to them in all areas.  If not, they bolt the party.

 

One problem the Dems have that the Republicans don't, is that basically the GOPers have too factions - extremists and very extremist with corporationists manipulating both.

 

Sanders comments today about how the DNC elect their leaders is very telling.   Additionally he stated that he would not provided the DNC the list of his donors.   

 

To me both factions are digging in and making demands.    Therefore at this time I don't see the two factions coming to terms.  Instead, like we saw with the DNC leadership vote,  in the 2018 Dem primaries each faction will support their own candidate who will relentlessly attack their fellow Dem challenger and whoever wins will be weaken (e.g. having to spend money to win the primary), as well as not getting the required support from the losing faction in the General election.     All of these factors just increase the odds of the GOP candidate winning in the general in all put the blue\blue states. 



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 02:07 PM

 

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Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago

The race for DNC Chairman was, of course, totally "rigged." Bernie's guy, like Bernie himself, never had a chance. Clinton demanded Perez!

 

 

He should know.  After all Putin and the Russians rigged the Nov. election or else Trump would have lost.


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Posted 26 February 2017 - 01:42 PM

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Donald J. TrumpVerified account@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago

The race for DNC Chairman was, of course, totally "rigged." Bernie's guy, like Bernie himself, never had a chance. Clinton demanded Perez!

 

 


I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
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Posted 26 February 2017 - 11:53 AM

It's kinda like the chicken and the egg conundrum.  Who abandoned whom anyway? 

 

If the Dems are to unify, it must be a two-way street.  So far, the DNC seems reluctant to admit any missteps in both the primary process and general election.  Instead, they seem to be pointing fingers everywhere (Comey!  The Russians!  Bernie Bros!) but at themselves.  Unification where one faction of the party is expected to submit meekly to the powerful establishment leadership simply won't work.  If it feels too much like being in an abusive relationship, then why stay? 

 

Yeah, I left the Dems after almost 25 years of actively supporting candidates from national to local levels, as is my privilege.  If that sounds like "whining" so be it.  I wish I shared your optimism that the party can be salvaged, but if they insist on continuing down the path they're on, I feel they're heading for irrelevance.

Not saying there were not missteps in both the primaries and the general election, but Dems need to determine what they were and how to improve the party for all factions.  That's why new leadership is needed.  But, the Dems must not hand the GOPers the next three election cycles on a silver platter.  Which is what will happen if they become the party of extreme liberalism.

 

Will have to wait and see, but I don't believe anyone is asking for one faction to submit to the other.  There are actually many different factions in the Dem Party.

 

It appears to me that the "progressive/liberal" wing is demanding that the "establishment" faction submit to them in all areas.  If not, they bolt the party.

 

One problem the Dems have that the Republicans don't, is that basically the GOPers have too factions - extremists and very extremist with corporationists manipulating both.



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:35 AM

It's kinda like the chicken and the egg conundrum.  Who abandoned whom anyway? 

 

If the Dems are to unify, it must be a two-way street.  So far, the DNC seems reluctant to admit any missteps in both the primary process and general election.  Instead, they seem to be pointing fingers everywhere (Comey!  The Russians!  Bernie Bros!) but at themselves.  Unification where one faction of the party is expected to submit meekly to the powerful establishment leadership simply won't work.  If it feels too much like being in an abusive relationship, then why stay? 

 

Yeah, I left the Dems after almost 25 years of actively supporting candidates from national to local levels, as is my privilege.  If that sounds like "whining" so be it.  I wish I shared your optimism that the party can be salvaged, but if they insist on continuing down the path they're on, I feel they're heading for irrelevance.

 

Bernie is the only thing keeping the Dems in the game.

 

If he were to leave and join another political Party, they'd be in huge trouble.


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 10:42 PM

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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 10:13 PM

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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 10:02 PM

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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 09:42 PM

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Congratulations to Thomas Perez, who has just been named Chairman of the DNC. I could not be happier for him, or for the Republican Party!


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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 09:07 PM

She’s Back! Hillary Urges Dems to ‘Keep Fighting’ and Resist Trump
'United, energized and ready to wage and win the battles ahead,' former secretary of state says

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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 08:40 PM

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Bernie SandersVerified account@BernieSanders 5h5 hours ago

I congratulate Tom Perez on his election as chairman of the Democratic National Committee and look forward to working with him.

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Bernie SandersVerified account@BernieSanders 5h5 hours ago

It's imperative Tom understands that the same-old, same-old isn't working and that we must bring in working and young people in a new way.

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Bernie SandersVerified account@BernieSanders 5h5 hours ago

The Democratic Party must make clear it will stand up to the 1% and lead in the fight for social, racial, economic and environmental justice.

 


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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 08:12 PM

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Hillary ClintonVerified account@HillaryClinton 4h4 hours ago

Congrats to @DNC chair @TomPerez & deputy @keithellison. Excited for strong, unified party standing for best of our country into the future.

 


I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 07:08 PM


It will be interesting to see what the "progressives" do now.  Will they do as they did when Hillary won the nomination; essentially abandon the party and whine?

 

 

I hope that they can understand that at this juncture, the DEMS need to unify and be very active.

 

It's kinda like the chicken and the egg conundrum.  Who abandoned whom anyway? 

 

If the Dems are to unify, it must be a two-way street.  So far, the DNC seems reluctant to admit any missteps in both the primary process and general election.  Instead, they seem to be pointing fingers everywhere (Comey!  The Russians!  Bernie Bros!) but at themselves.  Unification where one faction of the party is expected to submit meekly to the powerful establishment leadership simply won't work.  If it feels too much like being in an abusive relationship, then why stay? 

 

Yeah, I left the Dems after almost 25 years of actively supporting candidates from national to local levels, as is my privilege.  If that sounds like "whining" so be it.  I wish I shared your optimism that the party can be salvaged, but if they insist on continuing down the path they're on, I feel they're heading for irrelevance.


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 05:31 PM

Democratic National Committee members on Saturday voted down a resolution that would have reinstated former President Barack Obama’s ban on corporate political action committee donations to the party....

 

 

"[t]he DNC is out of touch with the American public and their needs. Democratic leaders were at a crossroads and today they chose to continue the failed Clinton strategy of prioritizing wealthy donors over the activist base."

 

 

When you are in combat, you don't go in with less ammunition than the enemy.  An unfortunate truth about the American political system.

This is especially true when the DNC needs to spend lots of money "from the school board to Congressional levels."  One of the reps at the meeting used the quoted phrase.

It will be interesting to see what the "progressives" do now.  Will they do as they did when Hillary won the nomination; essentially abandon the party and whine?

I hope that they can understand that at this juncture, the DEMS need to unify and be very active.  They will also need lots of money to counteract the billions that the Republicans will be spending to defeat all Dem candidates.

The DNC needs to realize that the fight starts tomorrow in every city, county, district and state in the nation.  Being an every four year, presidential election group won't cut it.

The liberal, activist, protesting wing needs to realize that to win back Congress and the White House, the Dems have to take win back the people who voted for Trump and who have been voting Republican since 2010.



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 04:59 PM

Tom Perez Elected Democratic National Committee Chair

 

The former labor secretary was backed by top Obama administration figures.

 

 

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Democratic National Committee members on Saturday voted down a resolution that would have reinstated former President Barack Obama’s ban on corporate political action committee donations to the party....

 

 

"[t]he DNC is out of touch with the American public and their needs. Democratic leaders were at a crossroads and today they chose to continue the failed Clinton strategy of prioritizing wealthy donors over the activist base."

 

http://www.commondre...erez-head-party

 

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 04:22 PM

Tom Perez Elected Democratic National Committee Chair

 

The former labor secretary was backed by top Obama administration figures.

 

 

http://www.huffingto...b060480e07d132?



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:16 PM


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Posted 25 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

Dershowitz-‘If Keith Ellison Is Elected Chairman Of DNC I Will Quit The Democratic Party After 60 Loyal Years’ (VIDEO)

GATEWAY PUNDTI > http://www.thegatewa...al-years-video/

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I don't think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times. JFK

 

The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects. What they thus lost they have never got back.  H.L. Mencken
 
Tis Well. President George Washington
 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Sir Winston Churchill 
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur
 
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. President Ronald Reagan
 
A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan
 
A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 11:49 PM

Keith Ellison Stands Head And Shoulders Above Other DNC Candidates At Leadership Debate-

 

"Rep. Ellison had the most forceful arguments and clearest message. The position of DNC chair is also a media job, and Keith Ellison was the most effective candidate on the stage at delivering the message....

 

http://www.politicus...hip-debate.html

 

:)

 

Key Question About DNC Race: Why Did Obama White House Recruit Perez to Run Against Ellison?-

 

"...If the plan to sink Ellison succeeds, the message that will be heard — fairly or not — is that the Democratic Party continues to venerate loyalty to its oligarchical donors above all else, and that preventing left-wing influence is a critical goal....

 

https://theintercept...gainst-ellison/


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 09:56 PM

They are going so far left they have even passed Hawaii.


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