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#21 mr6666

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 05:51 PM

".....Trump will soon depart for his first foreign trip as president. He has reportedly expressed “dread” about the tour and asked to have it shortened. It’s no wonder.

Trump has repeatedly shown himself to be a pushover in face-to-face encounters with foreign leaders, and this series of meetings should be especially fraught.....

 

see: https://www.theatlan...ngs-men/526980/


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"A small elephant is not a rabbit."


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 04:45 PM

I saw a report today that they are changing the NATO meeting agenda to accommodate Trump.  Essentially they are dumbing it down.  Limiting speeches to 4 minutes because of Trump's attention span and doing a quick wrap up at the end in the hope to avoid any nasty tweets by Trump.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:52 AM

"The Iran nuclear deal is the worst deal ever.  I will tear it up on day one."

- Donald J. Trump

 

"It looks like Iran is complying with the nuclear deal"

- Rex Tillerson


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 04:27 PM

"Obama arrives in Germany on the same day that Trump arrives in Brussels. He will join German Chancellor Angela Merkel for a panel regarding “Being Involved in Democracy: Taking on Responsibility Locally and Globally.” This will be Obama’s first public appearance since leaving office.

Obama is extremely popular in Germany and is expected to give Merkel a boost in her September re-election bid. A Merkel win is not necessarily good news for Trump; Merkel is much more closely aligned with President Obama’s progressiveness than Trump’s backwards policies and stances....

 

http://occupydemocra...ump-will-livid/


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 07:48 AM

Oh yeah.  The difference between campaign rhetoric and the reality.

 

This guy backpedals at a rate that probably makes our resident "spinner" DGF green with envy.  ;)

 

 

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I started out with NOTHING...and still have most of it left!


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 04:22 AM

It should be quite obvious by now that Trump and his appointees are making up foreign policy on the fly.  More proof that he did not have a clue during the campaign and was just playing to his red meat crowd.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:07 AM

So far old 'Fess' (Parker) Tillerson has been about as effective as a piece of driftwood.

Appears that UN ambassador Nikki Haley, former gov. of S.C., is far more independent and hawkish than Trump or Tillerson expected.  Or maybe it is part of Trump's method of having staffers compete with each other?

 

Ref. James Hohmann article in Washington Post.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 07:37 AM

Trump's latest tweet about North Korea could be interpreted as a threat of war.

 

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RT realDonaldTrump: North Korea is looking for trouble. If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem wi…

 
 
5:07 AM - 11 Apr 2017

 



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Posted 05 April 2017 - 11:49 AM

So far old 'Fess' (Parker) Tillerson has been about as effective as a piece of driftwood.



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 05:10 PM

I guess people in Mississippi and deep dark Trump country will care less about this ...



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Posted 01 April 2017 - 10:40 AM

Ya think Trump wanting the rest of Europe to spend more on defence has anything to do with selling them arms?  Ya think?



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:43 AM

What kind of welcome is this?  Trump just said that his meeting with the Chinese Premiere is going to be difficult!

What?  He doesn't play golf?

He is going to give him a bill for a Trillion dollars for currency manipulation.

Then one for another Trillion to cover increased US spending on military activities in the Pacific caused by China's activities.

Then probably throw in one for China's inability to control North Korea resulting in more US expenditures.

Then another bill for the equivalent of "The Wall" to keep Chinese imports out of US.


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 08:11 AM

What kind of welcome is this?  Trump just said that his meeting with the Chinese Premiere is going to be difficult!

What?  He doesn't play golf?



#34 Vautrin

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 03:14 PM

Merkel should mail him a fake bill paid receipt. 


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Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get.


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 01:34 AM

I'm sure this went over bigly ...


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:15 AM

How so?   By asking them to pony up that 2% of GNP for NATO (Germany the richest country in the EU is at 1.2%).

 

If you mean that bogus accusation against the British intelligent service,  that was a major goof but European leaders are smart enough to know that Trump lies and therefore they don't view it as serious (but still it was a really dumb thing for the Trump admin to even imply).

It is not about Europe paying more, but how Trump goes about it.  And the fact that it is not as simple as he makes it sound.

One thing to remember is that Western Europe, and the US, really does not want a strong German military.  The Franco-Prussian (German) War, WW  I, WW  II are still remembered.

Another factor is that the US did not want the European countries to become too strong militarily so they would not be tempted to go to war with each other.

Additional issue is that since the US presidents and military always insist on being in charge of everything, why shouldn't US pay a larger percentage?  The other NATO members provide 78% of GNP to NATO.  It is hard to press other, poorer nations when we brag about the fact that we are the richest, most powerful nation in the world.

The US also has a huge, very successful defense industry to support our vast military.  The US economy and defense contractors benefit immensely from the weapons of war that we sell to our "allies" and other nations.

Not to mention, we want the next war to be fought in Europe or the Middle East, not in New York or California or Mississippi.

 

(NEW)Another factor is it is in our military interest to station troops in Europe.  One example is the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Italy.  It is much easier to deploy it to a hotspot from there than it is to fly it from Ft. Bragg, NC.  Of course, being airborne and a separate brigade, it requires US Air Force planes and personnel for support as well as its own support units.  Which gives it a large presence in Italy compared to the Italian military.  

And don't forget the US fleets in the Mediteranean and elsewhere.

 

Basically, NATO funding/participation is a complex issue and best left for the diplomats in DOD and Dept. of State to quietly negotiate with our "allies."

The problem is that Trump, Bannon, Tillerson, et. al. do not understand this. 

So, Trump should keep his mouth shut and quit offending our allies.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:24 PM

It appears Trump and his appointees are declaring virtual war on European allies.  That should go over well.

 

How so?   By asking them to pony up that 2% of GNP for NATO (Germany the richest country in the EU is at 1.2%).

 

If you mean that bogus accusation against the British intelligent service,  that was a major goof but European leaders are smart enough to know that Trump lies and therefore they don't view it as serious (but still it was a really dumb thing for the Trump admin to even imply). 



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 04:57 PM

It appears Trump and his appointees are declaring virtual war on European allies.  That should go over well.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:36 AM

Tillerson is over in the Asiatic region rattling the old war sabre in North Korea's direction.  Will nuclear war be Donald Trump's way of deflecting the news and taking the heat off of the investigations into his affairs?  Millions of people vaporized to protect the Donald's behind?  That would certainly change the news cycle.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 10:28 AM

Well there is another side to this and that is the fact that there is NOT one Palestinian government \ representative and that one of the sub-groups, Hamas, is unwilling to recognize Israel's right to exist.      

 

While I'm not pro-Israel,  if the Palestinians would form one government that recognized Israel's right to exist I would quickly move to being anti-Israel.

Appears to me that the solution is for the Palestinian Authority (AKA Palestinian State) to separate from Hamas and Gaza Strip and come to an agreement with Israel.  As I understand it, the PA recognized Israel's right to exist some time back.

Let Gaza remain under Hamas or Israel could just "give" it to Egypt and let it be their problem.

One major problem is that 61%+ of West Bank is under Israeli control, including all of Jeruselem.  

Vautrin is correct in that linking Gaza to PA/West Bank works politically and as propaganda for Israel, especially current government.

As for sanctions, that would be unlikely or so limited as to be ineffective.  South Africa was a whole different scenario from what we have in Israel.

Not to mention that the Trump administration is totally out of its depth on this issue, which has existed since 1948, if not earlier.


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