We're excited to present a great new set of boards to classic movie fans with tons of new features, stability, and performance.

If you’re new to the message boards, please “Register” to get started. If you want to learn more about the new boards, visit our FAQ.

Register

If you're a returning member, start by resetting your password to claim your old display name using your email address.

Re-Register

Thanks for your continued support of the TCM Message Boards.

X

Kyle Kersten was a true friend of TCM. One of the first and most active participants of the Message Boards, “Kyle in Hollywood” (aka, hlywdkjk) demonstrated a depth of knowledge and largesse of spirit that made him one of the most popular and respected voices in these forums. This thread is a living memorial to his life and love of movies, which remain with us still.

X

Jump to content


Photo

The Miserable Legacy of Barack Obama


  • Please log in to reply
298 replies to this topic

#161 MovieMadness

MovieMadness

    Bogie Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3,235 posts
  • LocationHigh Sierra

Posted 08 March 2017 - 11:37 AM

NSA Whistleblower Backs Trump Up on Wiretap Claims

President Donald Trump is "absolutely right" to claim he was wiretapped and monitored, a former NSA official claimed Monday, adding that the administration risks falling victim to further leaks if it continues to run afoul of the intelligence community.

"I think the president is absolutely right. His phone calls, everything he did electronically, was being monitored," Bill Binney, a 36-year veteran of the National Security Agency who resigned in protest from the organization in 2001, told Fox Business on Monday. Everyone's conversations are being monitored and stored, Binney said.

Binney resigned from NSA shortly after the U.S. approach to intelligence changed following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He "became a whistleblower after discovering that elements of a data-monitoring program he had helped develop -- nicknamed ThinThread -- were being used to spy on Americans," PBS reported.

The judges on the FISA court are "not even concerned, nor are they involved in any way with the Executive Order 12333 collection," Binney said during the radio interview. "That's all done outside of the courts. And outside of the Congress."

*************************************************************

Obama signed Executive Order 12333 so he could have his people leak intelligence on Trump after the election. Obama is a crook.
 


Things are never so bad they can't be made worse.


#162 mr6666

mr6666

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 18,130 posts

Posted 07 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

MM, it would be appreciated if you would provide a link to your sources.appears to be

 

appears to be:  https://www.conserva...nment-officials

 

-_-


  • TomJH likes this

"A small elephant is not a rabbit."


#163 TomJH

TomJH

    I know what gold does to men's souls.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,366 posts

Posted 07 March 2017 - 01:18 PM

Well you can see that Trump's "insane" deflection on the weekend is working with his gullible base.  That's why he doesn't want to stop the story.  Even though it has been refuted by the FBI and Intelligence Trump doesn't care.  Now his zombie followers are all getting worked up about the 'criminal' Obama and not even giving two thoughts that their leader may have sold out to the Russians in order to get elected.  Don't even bother to investigate that one!

 

The Trump zombie followers are barely willing to even mention the Russian leaks, let alone the possibility of Trump camp collusion with them during the election.

 

With the "Obama wiretapped Trump Tower" distraction they now have something to latch onto, Comey and Clapper denials and zero evidence from the White House be damned. Republicans in Congress are clearly uncomfortable with Trump's latest tweet and want to move on to other subjects, but a lot of his red meat base like to think they can smell blood here, the same crowd that wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, no doubt.



#164 Bogie56

Bogie56

    Prof. Knucklehead

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,284 posts
  • LocationTralfamadore

Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:30 PM

Well you can see that Trump's "insane" deflection on the weekend is working with his gullible base.  That's why he doesn't want to stop the story.  Even though it has been refuted by the FBI and Intelligence Trump doesn't care.  Now his zombie followers are all getting worked up about the 'criminal' Obama and not even giving two thoughts that their leader may have sold out to the Russians in order to get elected.  Don't even bother to investigate that one!


  • mr6666 likes this

#165 TomJH

TomJH

    I know what gold does to men's souls.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,366 posts

Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:24 PM

5 times the Obama administration spied on private citizens, journalists, and government officials


 

 

MM, it would be appreciated if you would provide a link to your sources.


  • mr6666 likes this

#166 MovieMadness

MovieMadness

    Bogie Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3,235 posts
  • LocationHigh Sierra

Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:16 PM

5 times the Obama administration spied on private citizens, journalists, and government officials

Did the Obama administration engage in “police state tactics” by spying on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign? Such activities would be entirely in-character of the former administration.

“The evidence [of spying] is overwhelming,” said Conservative Review Editor-in-Chief Mark Levin over the weekend. Yet the mainstream media is more interested in biased partisanship and dismissing legitimate questions rather than investigating the evidence.

There is ample reason to take these spying allegations seriously, especially in light of the Obama administration’s record on domestic surveillance. Here is a brief history:

 

1. Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed AP reporters’ private phone records

2. Fox News reporter James Rosen and his parents’ phone records were seized

3. Secret Service agents accessed a restricted file to embarrass a congressman investigating them

4. Obama’s phone surveillance of foreign leaders

5. NSA spied on Israeli PM Netanyahu and members of Congress

**************************************************************************

Obama was caught five times spying on others, and that is only what we know. He needs to be investigated for his spying and to find out how many laws he broke doing it.


Things are never so bad they can't be made worse.


#167 DownGoesFrazier

DownGoesFrazier

    Advanced Spinner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 57,510 posts
  • LocationPhiladelphia, PA

Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:49 AM

 

From the Washington Post today:

 

THIS IS TRUMP’S MODUS OPERANDI:

-- Whenever he is under fire for something in a sustained way, he makes a shocking claim or provocative declaration about something else to change the subject. He is a master practitioner at the politics of distraction. These five examples might jog your memory:

  • After struggling during the first GOP primary debate to explain his disparaging comments about women, he attacked Megyn Kelly. “There was … blood coming out of her wherever,” he said, ensuring that the media focused on the new Trump-Kelly “feud.”
  • When the 2005 Access Hollywood video came out, he brought Bill Clinton’s former accusers to St. Louis as his guests to the second debate.
  • In November, the morning after agreeing to settle a fraud lawsuit against Trump University for $25 million, he demanded that the cast of “Hamilton” apologize to Mike Pence.
  • Days after firing Michael Flynn, he held a rambling 77-minute press conference because he knew that it would get the Flynn story out of the news.
  • Perturbed when critics pointed out that he lost the popular vote, he claimed that 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally.

 

Possibly, but just as likely is that his tweet finger operates independently of his brain,



#168 Bogie56

Bogie56

    Prof. Knucklehead

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,284 posts
  • LocationTralfamadore

Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:33 PM

From the Washington Post today:

 

THIS IS TRUMP’S MODUS OPERANDI:

-- Whenever he is under fire for something in a sustained way, he makes a shocking claim or provocative declaration about something else to change the subject. He is a master practitioner at the politics of distraction. These five examples might jog your memory:

  • After struggling during the first GOP primary debate to explain his disparaging comments about women, he attacked Megyn Kelly. “There was … blood coming out of her wherever,” he said, ensuring that the media focused on the new Trump-Kelly “feud.”
  • When the 2005 Access Hollywood video came out, he brought Bill Clinton’s former accusers to St. Louis as his guests to the second debate.
  • In November, the morning after agreeing to settle a fraud lawsuit against Trump University for $25 million, he demanded that the cast of “Hamilton” apologize to Mike Pence.
  • Days after firing Michael Flynn, he held a rambling 77-minute press conference because he knew that it would get the Flynn story out of the news.
  • Perturbed when critics pointed out that he lost the popular vote, he claimed that 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally.

  • mr6666, TomJH and LawrenceA like this

#169 DownGoesFrazier

DownGoesFrazier

    Advanced Spinner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 57,510 posts
  • LocationPhiladelphia, PA

Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:15 PM

Remember When Obama Spied on Congressmen Opposed to Iran Deal?

When the media puts on its befuddled face over Trump's allegations, remember what Obama was doing little more than a year ago.

    The National Security Agency's (NSA) continued surveillance of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli leaders may also have swept up private conversations involving members of Congress, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday night.

    Further, the Journal reports that intercepted conversations between Israeli leaders confirmed Israel's knowledge of the talks, as well as its intent to undermine any nuclear deal with Iran by leaking its details. When Netanyahu and his top aides came to Washington to talk with Jewish-American groups and members of Congress to lobby against the deal, the NSA was there to pick up the conversations.

*******************************************************

We definitely need an investigation into Obama and his covert spying on Trump and members of Congress. This sounds as bad as Watergate.

Your movie madness appears to be branching into other areas.



#170 TomJH

TomJH

    I know what gold does to men's souls.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,366 posts

Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:13 PM

*******************************************************

We definitely need an investigation into Obama and his covert spying on Trump and members of Congress. This sounds as bad as Watergate.

 

1. The White House offers ZERO evidence of a wiretapping.

 

2. James Clapper said it didn't happen.

 

3. James Comey is said to have been incredulous when he heard of the tweet and asked the Justice Department to come out with a denial.

 

4. Trump himself is now hiding from the media so as to not have to answer any questions about the basis for his accusation - now a full three days (!!!) after uttering it. Even when he signed the executive ban order today he did it away from the media.

 

And yet you ramble on, MM, comparing Obama's "spying" to Watergate. The reason for it is obvious - you WANT to believe it. You HOPE and PRAY it's true.

 

So let me make a wild guess now. If there is an investigation and it turns out that Trump shot off his mouth impulsively out of turn, wrongfully smearing a former President, to whom he owes an apology, my bet is that you will say nothing about it. You'll be too busy trying to slam Obama for something else.


  • mr6666 and LawrenceA like this

#171 DownGoesFrazier

DownGoesFrazier

    Advanced Spinner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 57,510 posts
  • LocationPhiladelphia, PA

Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:32 PM

Bannon is the black magic sorcerer and Trump is the Mickey Mouse Sorcerer's Apprentice. LOL

..and the sorcerer keeps getting the apprentice into trouble.



#172 Princess of Tap

Princess of Tap

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 8,892 posts

Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:30 PM

..and apparently Preivis is the one whose job is in jeopardy. Why not Bannon?

Bannon is the black magic sorcerer and Trump is the Mickey Mouse Sorcerer's Apprentice. LOL

#173 DownGoesFrazier

DownGoesFrazier

    Advanced Spinner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 57,510 posts
  • LocationPhiladelphia, PA

Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:21 PM

When you get all your news from Steve Bannon AKA Breitbart, you get all the fiction you can stomach.

But some people just prefer fiction because they can't take the truth.

..and apparently Preivis is the one whose job is in jeopardy. Why not Bannon?



#174 MovieMadness

MovieMadness

    Bogie Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3,235 posts
  • LocationHigh Sierra

Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:17 PM

Remember When Obama Spied on Congressmen Opposed to Iran Deal?

When the media puts on its befuddled face over Trump's allegations, remember what Obama was doing little more than a year ago.

    The National Security Agency's (NSA) continued surveillance of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli leaders may also have swept up private conversations involving members of Congress, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday night.

    Further, the Journal reports that intercepted conversations between Israeli leaders confirmed Israel's knowledge of the talks, as well as its intent to undermine any nuclear deal with Iran by leaking its details. When Netanyahu and his top aides came to Washington to talk with Jewish-American groups and members of Congress to lobby against the deal, the NSA was there to pick up the conversations.

*******************************************************

We definitely need an investigation into Obama and his covert spying on Trump and members of Congress. This sounds as bad as Watergate.


Things are never so bad they can't be made worse.


#175 hamradio

hamradio

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 12,738 posts

Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:54 PM

Isn't this totally irresponsible on Trump's part to be leaking this allegation himself.  His source apparently was Briebart.

Obama would not have the authority to order the wire taps in any event.   If the FBI ordered them it would have been with probable cause.  Just think of those implications.  But oh, I forgot.  Tumpsters can't handle the truth.  That's how he got elected.

 

It's the NSA's job to illegally spy on people.



#176 Princess of Tap

Princess of Tap

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 8,892 posts

Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:46 PM

Trump, citing no evidence, accuses Obama of ‘Nixon/Watergate’ plot to wiretap Trump Tower
President Trump on Saturday angrily accused former president Barack Obama of orchestrating a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election.

Citing no evidence to support his explosive allegation, Trump said in a series of five tweets sent Saturday morning that Obama was “wire tapping” his New York offices before the election in a move he compared to McCarthyism. “Bad (or sick) guy!” he said of his predecessor, adding that the surveillance resulted in “nothing found.”
**************************************************************
If Obama tapped the phone lines of Trump before the election then he needs to be thrown in prison.


When you get all your news from Steve Bannon AKA Breitbart, you get all the fiction you can stomach.

But some people just prefer fiction because they can't take the truth.
  • TheCid likes this

#177 TheCid

TheCid

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,922 posts
  • LocationSouth Carolina

Posted 04 March 2017 - 05:33 PM

Trump before country.  They have gone insane.  Nipkowdisc went as far as to say he would thank the Russians if it turns out they helped Trump get in the white house.  Yet as we have seen by Trump's trying to reverse the stance on Russia his selling his soul to them is going to come at a cost - to America which he could care less about.

According to Rachel Maddow last night, Putin may be the richest man in the world.  Nobody really knows how much money he has.  Poor Donald, a mere pauper compared to his good buddy Vlad.



#178 TomJH

TomJH

    I know what gold does to men's souls.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,366 posts

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:48 AM

Trump before country.  They have gone insane.  Nipkowdisc went as far as to say he would thank the Russians if it turns out they helped Trump get in the white house. 

 

Political partisanship above country.

 

Pathetic.


  • TheCid likes this

#179 Bogie56

Bogie56

    Prof. Knucklehead

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,284 posts
  • LocationTralfamadore

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:33 AM

I love the way Trump supporters leap like a ravenous dog on a meat covered bone every time Trump tweets some inflammatory comment without a shred of evidence to support it.

 

Trump before country.  They have gone insane.  Nipkowdisc went as far as to say he would thank the Russians if it turns out they helped Trump get in the white house.  Yet as we have seen by Trump's trying to reverse the stance on Russia his selling his soul to them is going to come at a cost - to America which he could care less about.


  • mr6666, TheCid and TomJH like this

#180 TomJH

TomJH

    I know what gold does to men's souls.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9,366 posts

Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:29 AM

if any judge who approved it is a political appointee of the Democrats then it's all over for Obama.

 

I love the way Trump supporters leap like a ravenous dog on a meat covered bone every time Trump tweets some inflammatory comment without a shred of evidence to support it.


  • TheCid and Bogie56 like this




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users