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#1 HIGHWAY

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:13 PM

 

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#2 HIGHWAY

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:47 PM

 


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 05:38 PM

Adam Schiff Terrifies Trump By Laying Out How His Entire Family Could End Up In Prison-

 

 

'Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained why Trump is freaking over the special counsel looking at his finances.

The entire Trump Organization, meaning the Trump family could have been laundering money for Russia........

 

http://www.politicus...ily-prison.html

 


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:30 PM

I made my point on Greenwald whom I respect in an earlier post.   I'll take Adam Schiff's word for it myself and ALL of the other people who have seen the evidence with their own eyes.  Wikileaks were played by the Russians with cutouts.  I'm sure congress will try to declassify as much as they can for the doubting thomas'.

You said that was not your point but you seem to be arguing both sides of the fence when you believe Trump is guilty of colluding with the Russians....

Trump wants a slam dunk also, he may be the defendant soon but he also wants to be the Judge, that way he can pardon himself. So just change the ways justice works,



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:05 PM

So you think Trump knows that his guilt of colluding with the Russians to interfere with the election will come out?  Yet you don't think the Russians hacked or tried to interfere with the election?  Doesn't make any sense to me.  Do you think the European countries are also lying when they said Russia was interfering in their elections as well?

That's not my point at all, may be this will help.
 


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:50 PM

 

Looks like you got a slam dunk. Trump wants a slam dunk also, he may be the defendant soon but he also wants to be the Judge, that way he can pardon himself. So just change the ways justice works, the same with the Russian evidence of them hacking, lets just be the prosecutor and the judge. I'M not buying it.

 

 

So you think Trump knows that his guilt of colluding with the Russians to interfere with the election will come out?  Yet you don't think the Russians hacked or tried to interfere with the election?  Doesn't make any sense to me.  Do you think the European countries are also lying when they said Russia was interfering in their elections as well?


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:37 PM

Yes, they had "intelligence" that suggested that the Iraqi's had weapons of mass destruction and evidence that they did not.  They acted on the first assumption which was to their liking.  I think you could say the intelligence here was inconclusive and not 100% faulty.  This is unlike what both Obama and Trump's Intelligence chiefs are saying about the Russian hacking.  100% conclusive.

Looks like you got a slam dunk. Trump wants a slam dunk also, he may be the defendant soon but he also wants to be the Judge, that way he can pardon himself. So just change the ways justice works, the same with the Russian evidence of them hacking, lets just be the prosecutor and the judge. I'M not buying it.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 12:48 PM

To be fair, you need to add in Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.  Wolfowitz was especially eager to go to war with Iraq for any reason.

Also, the intelligence community was somewhat complicit in providing information that could justify the war.  An old adage of business, government, the military, etc. is: You know who is paying the bill.  For the military and the intelligence community, it comes down to knowing who will make or break your next promotion or increase or decrease funding for your agency.

The greatest blame does go to Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz as they wanted the war and emphasized the "intelligence" that would justify it.  Bush, Powell and Rice were mostly just dupes.

 

Yes, they had "intelligence" that suggested that the Iraqi's had weapons of mass destruction and evidence that they did not.  They acted on the first assumption which was to their liking.  I think you could say the intelligence here was inconclusive and not 100% faulty.  This is unlike what both Obama and Trump's Intelligence chiefs are saying about the Russian hacking.  100% conclusive.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:55 AM

NONSENSE-- Iraq was just about Dick Cheney and his neocons cherry-picking or buying or threatening to get whatever intelligence they wanted to promote.

You can kick the intelligence community on 9/11, but Iraq, that was a
Dick Cheney production, indeed with the acquiescence of the Bush boy.

To be fair, you need to add in Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.  Wolfowitz was especially eager to go to war with Iraq for any reason.

Also, the intelligence community was somewhat complicit in providing information that could justify the war.  An old adage of business, government, the military, etc. is: You know who is paying the bill.  For the military and the intelligence community, it comes down to knowing who will make or break your next promotion or increase or decrease funding for your agency.

The greatest blame does go to Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz as they wanted the war and emphasized the "intelligence" that would justify it.  Bush, Powell and Rice were mostly just dupes.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:19 AM

BtpGLHdx_bigger.jpg Mediaite‏Verified account @Mediaite Jul 21

Pat Buchanan: ‘I Think There’s a Real Collision Coming’ Between Mueller and Trump http://bit.ly/2toAB6w (VIDEO)DFTyAdzUQAEGCe2.jpg




Robert Mueller is a veteran of Vietnam having served as a Marine Corps Officer and having been awarded the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V" for Heroism and The Purple Heart, among other medals too numerous to list.

In his long service to America in the US Justice Department as Assistant Attorney General for the Crime Division, he directed criminal investigations and prosecutions which brought down Panama's Noriega and Mafia Mobster John Gotti.

Next Robert Mueller served as Director of the FBI from 2001 to 2013, under George W Bush and Barack Obama.



I think if there's any kind of a collision here-- I'm going to be putting my money on a truly patriotic American of integrity, who has given and continues to give impeccable service to his country, Robert Mueller.


What about you?
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:23 AM

That is easy to say in hindsight.  The Arab Spring was a promise of hope and some thought it right for the U.S. to enforce the no fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from murdering his own citizens.  If they hadn't interfered Libya might be Syria right now which is even worse because Assad is still there.  You're damned if you do and damned if you don't in these situations.

I remember NATO was claiming Gaddafi was bombing a town, the only problem was Christian Omanpour was in the next town reporting and she went to that town and there was no bombing, only a group of manufactured protesters against Gaddafi. Our Government wanted regime change no matter what the cost.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:57 AM

A Spy Speaks Out -- Tyler Drumheller

" The real failure was not in the intelligence Community but in the White House.

-- the Bush Administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war, and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not. "

Tyler Drumheller was a veteran top official at the CIA; in April 2006 he was interviewed on 60 Minutes and told Ed Bradley what really happened about the issue of " weapons of mass destruction" intelligence.

" It just sticks in my craw everytime I hear them say it was an intelligence failure. It's an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure, " Drumheller told Ed Bradley.



For the complete interview check out:

cbsnews.com/news/a-spy-speaks-out-21-04-2006



BTW-- It's common knowledge that the Bush boy had a vendetta against
The Iraq Dictator, so he was looking for any excuse to do the guy in.

It's just extremely tragic that so many innocent people had to die and be hurt in the process.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:56 AM

 

Reading what you said here reminds me of the Libyan war and how unnecessary it was.

 

 

That is easy to say in hindsight.  The Arab Spring was a promise of hope and some thought it right for the U.S. to enforce the no fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from murdering his own citizens.  If they hadn't interfered Libya might be Syria right now which is even worse because Assad is still there.  You're damned if you do and damned if you don't in these situations.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:47 AM

NONSENSE-- Iraq was just about Dick Cheney and his neocons cherry-picking or buying or threatening to get whatever intelligence they wanted to promote.

You can kick the intelligence community on 9/11, but Iraq, that was a
Dick Cheney production, indeed with the acquiescence of the Bush boy.

Reading what you said here reminds me of the Libyan war and how unnecessary it was.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:35 AM

NONSENSE-- Iraq was just about Dick Cheney and his neocons cherry-picking or buying or threatening to get whatever intelligence they wanted to promote.

You can kick the intelligence community on 9/11, but Iraq, that was a
Dick Cheney production, indeed with the acquiescence of the Bush boy.

I agree with you about Bush and Cheney, Cheney still wants to use torture.
 

Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:25 PM

Ray McGovern is not afraid to speak his mind about what he sees as the corruption of the Central Intelligence Agency, the influence the defense industry exerts on politicians, and the complicity of the national media.

A 27-year veteran of the CIA, McGovern has been an outspoken critic of a CIA that he says tells presidents what they want to hear rather than providing unbiased analysis.

Change in culture

McGovern began his government service during the Kennedy administration, retiring in 1990 in the middle of George H.W. Bush’s presidency. During that time, he routinely offered intelligence briefings at the White House.

But in the past 25 years, he said, the culture at the agency has changed. The CIA that President Harry Truman sought to create, McGovern said, was “an analysis group that was responsible only to him — not to the Pentagon, not to the State Department — so they would feel free to tell him what they thought. We were able to do that for most of my career in the analysis group.”

What Truman did not intend — “and he said this before he died” — was an operations department that would overthrow governments. “He was dead set against that.”

McGovern began speaking out after Sept. 11, 2001. In his view, Robert Gates, who worked under McGovern in the Soviet Foreign Policy branch and later became the director of the CIA, was among those who altered the culture at the CIA.

Asked if he experienced a personal transformation after the CIA, McGovern replied: “I didn’t change; the CIA changed.”

The Iraq War

Rather than offering analysis, McGovern said, the job of the CIA during President George W. Bush’s administration was to create a case for war against Iraq.

“In other words,” he said, “the information (about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction) was a fraud. It’s all on the record. The head of the (U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence) said after five years of investigation, the information was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even nonexistent.

“That,” he said, “is what turned me and my friends, who were used to the ethos of speaking truth to power. We tried to warn President (George W.) Bush with three memoranda before he attacked Iraq.”

McGovern said the memos were forwarded to the national media but were never reported. In a 2005 article, New York Times reporter Judith Miller acknowledged the media had gotten it wrong: “W.M.D. — I got it totally wrong. The analysts, the experts and the journalists who covered them — we were all wrong.”

McGovern said Scott Ritter, the Franklin & Marshall College graduate who served as the chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998, was correct in his assessment that Iraq had destroyed its weapons of mass destruction after the Gulf War.

In response to the invasion of Iraq, McGovern and former CIA employees founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group dedicated to analyzing and criticizing the use of intelligence in the Iraq War.

McGovern uses the acronym O.I.L. to describe why the U.S. went to war.

 

He said O is for oil (“If Iraq didn’t have so much oil, there’s no way it would have been judged so important.”); I is for Israel (“The record’s very clear. The Israelis were on record saying, ‘You have to remove this evil dictator.’ ”); and L is for logistical reasons (“the permanent military bases that we coveted”).

Russian influence on the U.S. election

“I come from the Bronx, and we have an expression: ‘That’s a crock.’ ” Citing the recent WikiLeaks story about the cybertools used by the CIA, he said, “It’s pretty clear that John Brennan, head of the CIA, had the tools ... to leave tell-tale signs (of Russian meddling.) The verdict of our Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity is that ... if this was a hack by the Russians given to (WikiLeaks editor) Julian Assange, there is no evidence to connect the two.

“There are very powerful, potent forces at work that make it very difficult for (President Donald) Trump to even say having a decent relationship with the Russians is a good thing.”



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:22 AM

 

My puppy had been house broken for over 5 weeks when he made a mistake and went on the carpet, I cleaned it up in about a minute and he's been fine. When our Intelligence agencies make mistakes people can die, example Iraq, you can do your own research as to the death and destruction that preceded.
 
The Intelligence agencies should be held to the highest possible scrutiny and with their pass deplorable actions I need to see undisputed proof that they are right and so far they aren't close. 

 

 

Central Intelligence Agency. Now, there's a contradiction in terms..........Capt Mancuso "The Hunt For Red October" (1990)



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:58 AM


My puppy had been house broken for over 5 weeks when he made a mistake and went on the carpet, I cleaned it up in about a minute and he's been fine. When our Intelligence agencies make mistakes people can die, example Iraq, you can do your own research as to the death and destruction that preceded.

The Intelligence agencies should be held to the highest possible scrutiny and with their pass deplorable actions I need to see undisputed proof that they are right and so far they aren't close.



NONSENSE-- Iraq was just about Dick Cheney and his neocons cherry-picking or buying or threatening to get whatever intelligence they wanted to promote.

You can kick the intelligence community on 9/11, but Iraq, that was a
Dick Cheney production, indeed with the acquiescence of the Bush boy.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:30 AM

Iraq was based on faulty intelligence.  They have certainly lied about spying on their own citizens.   Meddling in South America for years was a moral mistake.  That's why you should start a thread about this.  I would gladly add to it!  

Thankfully America has a system where these things come to light.

But you will have to wait a long long time to see this classified evidence.  To reveal how they uncovered the meddling in the election would only assist the meddlers.  Surely you see that?  They have in this case provided the evidence to your elected officials on both sides of the aisle.  Again do you think the Europeans are also lying about the election hacking by Russians?  And we're not just talking about stolen emails here but the co-ordinated attacks on social media that must have been done by 100's of bots.

My puppy had been house broken for over 5 weeks when he made a mistake and went on the carpet, I cleaned it up in about a minute and he's been fine. When our Intelligence agencies make mistakes people can die, example Iraq, you can do your own research as to the death and destruction that preceded.
 
The Intelligence agencies should be held to the highest possible scrutiny and with their pass deplorable actions I need to see undisputed proof that they are right and so far they aren't close. 


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:16 AM

Iraq was based on faulty intelligence.  They have certainly lied about spying on their own citizens.   Meddling in South America for years was a moral mistake.  That's why you should start a thread about this.  I would gladly add to it!  

Thankfully America has a system where these things come to light.

But you will have to wait a long long time to see this classified evidence.  To reveal how they uncovered the meddling in the election would only assist the meddlers.  Surely you see that?  They have in this case provided the evidence to your elected officials on both sides of the aisle.  Again do you think the Europeans are also lying about the election hacking by Russians?  And we're not just talking about stolen emails here but the co-ordinated attacks on social media that must have been done by 100's of bots.

 

It's hard for me to work up any sympathy for anyone involved here.  The first time ANYONE'S identity got stolen due to "hacking" of personal information acquired through iNet usage should have been warning enough that for this method to be useful for such sensitive information to be safe enough, requisite steps needed to be taken for security before everything classified went viral.

 

Like I don't feel sorry for ANYONE who does EVERYTHING online, through their phones or desktops, laptops etc.  like paying bills, banking, shopping, whatever that requires SOME personal financial info goes into cyberspace and then sits slack-jawed in dismay that their identity's been stolen and their lives are in ruins.

 

Oh, BOO-HOO, moron.  Next time don't DRINK the "Kool-Ade", just pour it down the drain!

 

"YAHOO!" is what these sleazebags shout everytime a new sucker gets "hooked"!

 

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 06:06 AM


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Jared, Paul, etc: Trump's promises to bail you out if you commit perjury may fail: courts could well toss out pardons by a co-conspirator!


Laurence Tribe is a Professor at the Harvard School of Law--


Tribe has taught the following students:


-- President Barack Obama

-- Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts

-- Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Elena Kagan

-- Senator Ted Cruz
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