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TCM spotlight on 'gay hollywood'-- June 2017


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#41 rayban

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 10:06 PM

Tonight, in their post "Virginia Woof" discussion, Dave Karger and William J. Mann seemed to have "outed' James Dean.

 

And, in the opening comments for "The Loved One", they seemed to have "outed" Evelyn Waugh.

 

 

 


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Posted 29 June 2017 - 07:14 PM

I'll reserve final judgment until after tonight's shows (although I don't think I will sit through VIRGINIA WOOLF for the umpteenth time but I'll listen to the hosts' open).  I do hope TCM will do the series again and not wait years.  I do so wish they had run THE CELLULOID  CLOSET doc again.  I know it's a few years old but it's a great history lesson and shows gays have always been a part of moviemaking which was one of the points of the whole series in the first place.  Educate and entertain.  And hosts, please pay attention and no more screwups like the Liz Taylor white swimsuit snafu again.

" The Celluloid Closet " is a great documentary


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Posted 29 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

I'll reserve final judgment until after tonight's shows (although I don't think I will sit through VIRGINIA WOOLF for the umpteenth time but I'll listen to the hosts' open).  I do hope TCM will do the series again and not wait years.  I do so wish they had run THE CELLULOID  CLOSET doc again.  I know it's a few years old but it's a great history lesson and shows gays have always been a part of moviemaking which was one of the points of the whole series in the first place.  Educate and entertain.  And hosts, please pay attention and no more screwups like the Liz Taylor white swimsuit snafu again.


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Posted 29 June 2017 - 03:50 PM

The final evening of the spotlight occurs tomorrow. Has this month-long retrospective been measuring up to everyone's expectations?

 

thursday june 29, 2017

who's afraid of virginia woolf? (1966) 

the loved one (1965) 

the year of living dangerously (1982) 

torch song trilogy (1988) 

valentino (1977) 

I hope TCM continues to this series every June- some people need constant reminders that gay people were always part of film history- that said I would like to see more modern films next time and how about a gay foreign film night- Almodovar, Visconti and Demy ;)


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:27 PM

So far, the overall coverage has been very interesting, but sometimes the commentary has been less than satisfying - like Dave Karger and William J. Mann suggesting that Farley Granger didn't have much of a film career.

 

Seems as if some of the commentary is a bit ignorant or uninformed. Granger definitely had a substantial film and television career. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:40 PM

The final evening of the spotlight occurs tomorrow. Has this month-long retrospective been measuring up to everyone's expectations?

 

thursday june 29, 2017

who's afraid of virginia woolf? (1966) 

the loved one (1965) 

the year of living dangerously (1982) 

torch song trilogy (1988) 

valentino (1977) 

So far, the overall coverage has been very interesting, but sometimes the commentary has been less than satisfying - like Dave Karger and William J. Mann suggesting that Farley Granger didn't have much of a film career.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 06:41 PM

In "Suddenly Last Summer", Violet Venable says that her son, Sebastian, is chaste.

 

But, suddenly, last summer, something happened - Sebastian takes his cousin, Catherine, on his holiday jaunt instead of his mother, who wasn't feeling well.

 

Have his gay impulses taken over?

 

Has he suddenly decided to go after - boys?

 

And use his cousin as - bait?

 

I wish that Tennessee Williams had explored this sudden, unexpected development in Sebastian's character.

 

Because, his "punishment" - the horrific death at the hands of the boys - seems to be homophobic.

 

You deny yourself a sexual life.

 

Then, you desperately want a sexual life.

 

Then, you die because of it.

 

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Perhaps it's reall Liz's fault well at least her bathing suit- I imagine that Sebastian's mother attracted a more refined type of playmate for her son.  Liz on the other hand obviously attracted a rougher type of trade- poor Sebastian he should have lived in the age of grinder ;)


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

The final evening of the spotlight occurs tomorrow. Has this month-long retrospective been measuring up to everyone's expectations?

 

thursday june 29, 2017

who's afraid of virginia woolf? (1966) 

the loved one (1965) 

the year of living dangerously (1982) 

torch song trilogy (1988) 

valentino (1977) 


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

In "Suddenly Last Summer", Violet Venable says that her son, Sebastian, is chaste.

 

But, suddenly, last summer, something happened - Sebastian takes his cousin, Catherine, on his holiday jaunt instead of his mother, who wasn't feeling well.

 

Have his gay impulses taken over?

 

Has he suddenly decided to go after - boys?

 

And use his cousin as - bait?

 

I wish that Tennessee Williams had explored this sudden, unexpected development in Sebastian's character.

 

Because, his "punishment" - the horrific death at the hands of the boys - seems to be homophobic.

 

You deny yourself a sexual life.

 

Then, you desperately want a sexual life.

 

Then, you die because of it.

 

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Mrs Venable is protecting he son's reputation-of course she is going to say he is chaster- perhaps he kept his sex life hidden from her- or she simply refused to admit the thruth about Sebastian. His death seems to be some kind of retribution for his sins- Sebastian exploited poor children- the niece says they were like starving birds- can the death be interpreted as a homophobic act- perhaps- Williams had a taste for the grotesque - I wish someone had hired to adapt Edgar Allan Poe- it really is a scene from a horror film- they devoured him!


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:28 AM

In "Suddenly Last Summer", Violet Venable says that her son, Sebastian, is chaste.

 

But, suddenly, last summer, something happened - Sebastian takes his cousin, Catherine, on his holiday jaunt instead of his mother, who wasn't feeling well.

 

Have his gay impulses taken over?

 

Has he suddenly decided to go after - boys?

 

And use his cousin as - bait?

 

I wish that Tennessee Williams had explored this sudden, unexpected development in Sebastian's character.

 

Because, his "punishment" - the horrific death at the hands of the boys - seems to be homophobic.

 

You deny yourself a sexual life.

 

Then, you desperately want a sexual life.

 

Then, you die because of it.

 

suddenlydeath.png?token=reoD7KwjYzU6%2BB


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:33 PM

Yeah, we talked about this on another thread.  Our co-hosts were so adamant about no Liz in a swimsuit in the entire movie but only on the ads to sell tickets.  And Liz in the white swimsuit is an important part of the story!  I like these guys but they need to do their homework a little better.


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:07 PM

In talking about "Suddenly Last Summer", William J. Mann said that the film was advertised with a picture of Elizabeth Taylor in a white bathing suit - 

 

and that, in the film, she does not appear in a white bathing suit -

 

and, yet, one of the film's most memorable sequences is Elizabeth Taylor in a white see-through bathing suit -

 

Cousin Sebastian forces her into the water in the suit in order to attract the young males on the public beach -

 

What's up, Mr. Mann?i

 

Sounds like he didn't watch the film all the way through.


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 06:21 PM

In talking about "Suddenly Last Summer", William J. Mann said that the film was advertised with a picture of Elizabeth Taylor in a white bathing suit - 

 

and that, in the film, she does not appear in a white bathing suit -

 

and, yet, one of the film's most memorable sequences is Elizabeth Taylor in a white see-through bathing suit -

 

Cousin Sebastian forces her into the water in the suit in order to attract the young males on the public beach -

 

What's up, Mr. Mann?i


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 12:28 PM

Jarrod, it does sound like the most reasonable answer.

 

But, I think, the teenager's interest in his older brother puts some weight into the scale, too.

 

And that plot came from Inge, so it's all connected. LOL


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 10:25 AM

My guess is it was included because of Inge.

Jarrod, it does sound like the most reasonable answer.

 

But, I think, the teenager's interest in his older brother puts some weight into the scale, too.


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 09:02 AM

On "Gay Thursday", during the day, they showed John Frankenheimer's unjustly neglected film, "All Fall Down".

 

I'm intrigued - what are this film's gay credentials?

 

The book was written by James Leo Herlihy, who wrote "Midnight Cowboy" - was he gay?

 

The screenplay was written by playwright, William Inge - he was gay.

 

The finely-wrought material centered on a teenager's obsession with his older brother - is this interest supposed to be "gay-coded" or "gay-tinged".

 

Brandon de Wilde's performance, as the obsessed teen, was so "real" that it inhabits the film from start to finish.

 

The beautiful, sad, tormented heroine had many, many echoes of Tennessee Williams' heroines - would this fact be a gay credential?

 

In the role, Eva Marie Saint gave a striking portrayal.

 

She also had a tragic end.

 

My guess is it was included because of Inge.


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 07:26 AM

On "Gay Thursday", during the day, they showed John Frankenheimer's unjustly neglected film, "All Fall Down".

 

I'm intrigued - what are this film's gay credentials?

 

The book was written by James Leo Herlihy, who wrote "Midnight Cowboy" - was he gay?

 

The screenplay was written by playwright, William Inge - he was gay.

 

The finely-wrought material centered on a teenager's obsession with his older brother - is this interest supposed to be "gay-coded" or "gay-tinged".

 

Brandon de Wilde's performance, as the obsessed teen, was so "real" that it inhabits the film from start to finish.

 

The beautiful, sad, tormented heroine had many, many echoes of Tennessee Williams' heroines - would this fact be a gay credential?

 

In the role, Eva Marie Saint gave a striking portrayal.

 

She also had a tragic end.

 

 


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:03 PM

I really and truly do not understand the inclusion of "Billy Liar" in the "Gay Hollywood" film series.

 

"Billy Liar" is a "working-class" comedy that is so sad and so pathetic that not even the youth, beauty and charm of Tom Courteney can save it.

 

Why not include a film of John Schlesinger's that had gay content, like "Darling" or "Midnight Cowboy" or "Sunday Bloody Sunday"?

 

Completely agree. I would've selected MIDNIGHT COWBOY.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:52 PM

Jeffrey Broadhurst played Tulsa in the 1993 tv version of "Gypsy" https://youtu.be/7TUPSNAe100

The costume designer could not give him tighter pants ;)


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:02 PM

Tomorrow evening BILLY LIAR is airing as part of TCM's Spotlight on gay Hollywood. It's a British film by a British director with a British cast. So how does this qualify as a 'Hollywood' film or actually fit a spotlight that is advertised as being about Hollywood films?

I really and truly do not understand the inclusion of "Billy Liar" in the "Gay Hollywood" film series.

 

"Billy Liar" is a "working-class" comedy that is so sad and so pathetic that not even the youth, beauty and charm of Tom Courteney can save it.

 

Why not include a film of John Schlesinger's that had gay content, like "Darling" or "Midnight Cowboy" or "Sunday Bloody Sunday"?


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