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#21 Hibi

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 10:05 AM

DUMPCARE IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!  Another DUMP triumph!


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:42 AM

 

 

Health Care Overhaul Collapses as Two Republican Senators Defect...

 

https://www.nytimes....l?smid=tw-share

 

 

 

 

Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders 5h5 hours ago

 
 

I'm delighted to see the disastrous Republican health care plan won't succeed – a victory for the millions who stood up and fought back.

 

:D

 
 

 

 

Now the talk is about a Republican-led plan to just repeal the Affordable Care Act with no replacement to be put before the Senate.  So, if successful, that means we may eventually go back to the way things were on the health insurance front in 2007?  I appreciate the concern many lawmakers have over the rising costs of health care here, but I can't understand why there seem to be no Congressional investigations into why costs rise so much.  If there are hearings in Congress about this, the media sure has done a lousy job in covering it.  My guess is though, there are no such hearings, otherwise we'd know more about it.   Sure, costs go up.  I get that.  What I don't get is why exorbitant increases in cost of care, insurance premiums, or prescription drugs are dismissed out of hand as 'normal'.  In some countries, price increases in these areas are acceptable, but if the rise in costs are deemed too high, then the medical community, insurance industry, or pharmaceutical conglomerates must meet with government officials to justify those much higher costs before they can ever take effect.  We almost never hear of Congressional oversight in health care matters unless it involves something like the outrageous spike in costs like with the epi-pen and the drug price increase by the happy-go-lucky Martin Shkrelli.  


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#23 mr6666

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 01:55 AM

 

Health Care Overhaul Collapses as Two Republican Senators Defect...

 

https://www.nytimes....l?smid=tw-share

 

 

 

 

Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders 5h5 hours ago

 
 

I'm delighted to see the disastrous Republican health care plan won't succeed – a victory for the millions who stood up and fought back.

 

:D

 
 

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 07:33 PM

"At the National Governors Association’s summer meeting in Providence, Rhode Island, there was bipartisan resistance to the Republican healthcare plan, which threatens to cut federal Medicaid subsidies......

 

A lot of Republican senators who are on the fence right now about voting for this Senate bill are looking to their home state governors, they’re looking to them for guidance.

They’re looking to see how they respond to this bill because in the end, it’s going to be the governors that are going to bear a lot of the responsibility for some of the coverage losses that may come about as a result of this bill,.......

 

http://www.pbs.org/n...alth-care-plan/

 

I think another reason they're looking to their home-state governors for guidance is because they're too afraid of getting grilled at town meetings like their House counterparts did last spring.  There was a Washington Post article about Nevada Senator Dean Heller receiving a death threat at his office in Las Vegas.  The note said if he voted to take away that person's health care, he'd make sure the Senator died along with them!  A man in Nebraska crossed the state line and went to an Iowa business where Senator Joni Ernst was to be visiting later that day.  He reportedly asked someone at the business if Senator Ernst had 'good reflexes', or something along those lines, if trouble broke out over her support of the bill under consideration.

 

Reading stuff like this makes me wonder if the USA is headed toward a 'French Revolution' or a 'Breakup of Yugoslavia'.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 04:45 PM

Senator Dick DurbinVerified account @SenatorDurbin 50m50 minutes ago

 
 

Leading patient groups & medical experts think @SenateGOP’s latest ACA repeal bill is just as bad as the last one........

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 03:43 PM

Isn't Bernie going to table his bill if and when the dust settles on the GOP health care bill?



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 03:40 PM

"At the National Governors Association’s summer meeting in Providence, Rhode Island, there was bipartisan resistance to the Republican healthcare plan, which threatens to cut federal Medicaid subsidies......

 

A lot of Republican senators who are on the fence right now about voting for this Senate bill are looking to their home state governors, they’re looking to them for guidance.

They’re looking to see how they respond to this bill because in the end, it’s going to be the governors that are going to bear a lot of the responsibility for some of the coverage losses that may come about as a result of this bill,.......

 

http://www.pbs.org/n...alth-care-plan/


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 04:01 AM

Rep. Senator Mitch McConnell (KY) delays vote to bring Trumpcare up for debate indefinitely while Rep. Senator John McCain recovers from surgery to remove a bloodclot.  No timetable  for a vote was given.

 

Source--politico.com.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:00 AM

Apparently McConnell is using massive amounts of taxpayer dollars to carve out special provisions in Trumpcare bill for the states with reluctant Republican senators.

If you cannot convince them that it is the right thing to do, buy their votes.   


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 08:39 AM

Below is the proposal of Sens. Graham and Cassidy for latest replacement for ACA.  This is from Graham's website.

 

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today brought forward a new approach to health care reform that would redirect much of the current federal funding for Obamacare health insurance – an estimated $110 billion in 2016 – and future funding directly to the states to use for health care spending.

Graham has worked with Senator Bill Cassidy (R-Louisiana), a medical doctor, on the latest proposal.

“Obamacare is going to collapse,” said Graham. “Instead of having a one-size-fits-all solution from Washington, we should return dollars back to the states to address each individual state’s health care needs. Just like no two patients are the same, no two states’ health care needs are the same. A solution that works in California may not work in Virginia.

“A state like Vermont has expressed interest in a state-government run and financed single-payer system like they have in Canada,” said Graham. “If they want to again continue down that path, they would be free to do so under this proposal. South Carolina, on the other hand, would likely go in a different direction and use the federal funding to make private health care more affordable and available.

“Either way, the state would have a pot of money from the federal government to get the best health care outcomes for their residents.

“These funds are already being spent on Obamacare but instead of having Washington decide, we’ll empower each individual state to choose the path that works best for them,” continued Graham. “It’s time we empower those closest to people to work toward better health care that fits the needs of their citizens.”

Under Graham’s proposal:

  • Federal dollars currently spent on Obamacare health insurance – an estimated $110 billion in 2016 -- would be block-granted to the states.
  • The individual mandate and employer mandate instituted under Obamacare would be repealed under Senate reconciliation rules which only require 50 votes.
  •  The Obamacare requirements covering pre-existing conditions would be retained.
  • The Obamacare medical device tax would be eliminated but other Obamacare taxes would remain in place.
  • Federal Medicaid funding to the states will continue to grow in a sustainable manner, adjusted for inflation. Provides additional flexibility to the states to ensure health care dollars are spent in a manner providing the most effective and efficient coverage based on their health care needs and populations.
  • Federal funds would be restricted to health care spending only. These funds could be distributed by the states in the forms of tax credits, subsidies, health savings account premiums, and other means as the individual states see fit to meet their health care needs.


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 05:08 PM

Try, try again. They dont want to go home to angry constituents until they pass something......

They are between a rock and a hard place.  If they pass Trump/McConnellcare, the constituent protesters back home will chew into them.

If they don't pass Trump/McConnellcare or repeal ACA, their constituent bases back home will chew into them.


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 04:56 PM

Try, try again. They dont want to go home to angry constituents until they pass something......



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Posted 11 July 2017 - 04:15 PM

"Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is trying to force through the health care bill that will take coverage away from 22 million Americans by keeping the Senate in session until the third week of August or Trumpcare is passed.......

 

http://www.politicus...22-million.html


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:18 PM

Sen. Cruz is apparently floating a solution to the ACA situation that appeals to many GOPers.  Basically, the public will be permitted to purchase whichever insurance they want to include the skimpy coverage that the young and healthy prefer.  The only other plan would be one for those who wish full coverage, mostly the elderly, sick, etc.

Naturally, the tax eliminations for the wealthiest 1% will remain.

 

The interesting feature is that because there will no cost levelling as in ACA, the federal government will pick up the tab for the ones on the most costly plan.  A tab likely to increase dramatically in years to come - until the GOPers succeed in abolishing it as well.  Of course they are not talking about that.

Added to the DOD Christmas present increase that Congress in writing (in excess of what Trump wanted), it will create a HUGE deficit.

 

www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2017/07/10/the-health-202-cruz-picks-government-health-care-subsidies-as-lesser-of-two-evils/59611958e9b69b7071abcae4/?wpisrc=nl_p1most-partner-1&wpmm=1



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:53 PM

What’s Next for Bernie Sanders: Fighting Republican Health Care Plan in Red State Rallies...

 

"Sanders has titled the rallies Care Not Cuts, pointing to the Congressional Budget Office estimate that tens of millions of American would lose coverage under the plan formulated by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his Republican colleagues. The Sanders events are scheduled to take place in Kentucky and West Virginia on Sunday....

 

http://www.newsweek....-rallies-632688


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 01:45 PM

Martin Schram had an interesting column on GOP leaders stumped by two questions on Trumpcare.

He prefers to call the House and Senate bills the more accurate "Republican defacto Income Redistribution Act of 2017" as it takes money from the middle and working classes, disabled, poor, elderly, children, etc. and gives it to the richest 1% in the nation.

 

He also points out that 64% of all nursing home patients are on Medicaid and will be evicted under Trumpcare.  Many middle and working class (as well as some very wealthy) people never thought of their parents that are in nursing homes under Medicaid.  Far, far more than most people realize.  Not to mention the parents close to needing a nursing home.  Now they will have to pay for that care for their parents or take the parents into their homes and provide the medical care needed.

 

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/2017/07/02/martin-schram-gop-leaders-stumped-two-question-quick-quiz/441736001/


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 06:08 AM

That's surprising considering he doesn't have to go back for a vote till 2020 and Trump has put his wife in the cabinet.
 

:o

I didn't even KNOW there was a cabinet position called "Secretary of Cosmetology"!  ;)

 

 

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 11:35 PM

McConnell rejects Trump's advice to repeal ObamaCare now, replace later

http://www.foxnews.c...lace-later.html


That's surprising considering he doesn't have to go back for a vote till 2020 and Trump has put his wife in the cabinet.

McConnell's only interested in his own personal interest, so we'll see how this turns out.
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Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:16 PM

I guess now the strategy is:

 

"Repeal Obamacare now,  and someday we'll get around to replacing it.  Maybe."

 

Sepiatone

 

McConnell rejects Trump's advice to repeal ObamaCare now, replace later

 

http://www.foxnews.c...lace-later.html


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:58 AM

I guess now the strategy is:

 

"Repeal Obamacare now,  and someday we'll get around to replacing it.  Maybe."

 

Sepiatone


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