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#21 film lover 293

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 12:42 AM

Skinny Repeal FAILS, 49-51!!!   Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and John McCain of Arizona were the three Republican Senators to vote against Repeal.

 

ObamaCare is the Law of the Land. :) :)  :)

 

Source--CNN Television, Live Coverage of the Senate.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:37 PM

Senator Dick DurbinVerified account @SenatorDurbin 1h1 hour ago

 
 

.@SenateGOP just revealed their secret bill to repeal health care for 16 million Americans, then scheduled the vote for MIDNIGHT tonight.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:53 PM

JEC DemocratsVerified account @JECDems 6h6 hours ago

 
 

Don’t be fooled - #SkinnyRepeal would destabilize individual markets, drive up costs & pave the way for full repeal http://bit.ly/2tGO5L4 

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:20 PM

Paul DemkoVerified account @pauldemko 3h3 hours ago

 
 

Graham: Senate's skinny bill "would destroy the insurance markets and we would own the failure of Obamacare"

 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:51 AM

Looks like Trump has been using tax dollars to both undermine ACA and to run ads against it.  Both are illegal.  From the WP ....

The Plum Line

 Opinion 

Will the Trump administration ever be held accountable for its abuses? Here’s one way it might.


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 05:24 PM

If this bill passes with many changes required to do so, shouldn't it be called SenateCare? :huh:



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:50 PM

Team Trump Used Obamacare Money to Run PR Effort Against It-

 

"The Trump administration has spent taxpayer money meant to encourage enrollment in the Affordable Care Act on a public relations campaign aimed at methodically strangling it.

 

The effort, which involves a multi-pronged social media push as well as video testimonials designed at damaging public opinion of President Obama’s health care law, is far more robust and sustained than has been publicly revealed or realized.

 

The strategy has caught the eye of legal experts and Democrats in Congress, who have asked government agencies to investigate whether the administration has misused funds and engaged in covert propaganda in its efforts to damage and overturn the seven-year-old health care law........

 

http://www.thedailyb...ce=twitter&via=

 

 

 

How low can this guy stoop??????????


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:49 PM

So glad to have spent this afternoon protesting Paul Ryan's visit to a prominent New England manufacturer to tout his "tax reform" program, which apparently benefits companies at the expense of health care, food security, and other benefits for the poor, middle, and working class.  Many signs about the callousness of the Republicans on health care.  "TrumpCare" means lack of care.  However, the idea of allowing Obamacare to fail may backfire, as it turns out many formerly uninsured people, who just happen to vote, have benefited from it.

 

 

Good for you! Whatta guy (Ryan).........



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:09 PM

Democratic motion to return consideration back to committee process failed 52 (GOP) to 48 (DEMS).


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 03:20 PM

 Repeal Only of ObamaCare just failed, 45-55.  Some of the Republican Senators voting against; Lamar Alexander (TN), John McCain (AZ), Dean Heller (NV), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Susan Collins (Maine), and others.

 

Source--CNN (Television). 


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:33 AM

And from what I hear lots of Americans pay outrageous amounts to insurance companies for coverage.  Save that money and raise taxes just a little and everyone could be covered.  Every civilized nation in the world does it except America.  The absence of worry alone will extend life expectancies.

Not just the cost of the insurance, but the co-pays for medicine, physicians, hospital and other types of care.  Even some of the best policies have astronomical co-pays or outright exclusions.



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 08:52 PM

So glad to have spent this afternoon protesting Paul Ryan's visit to a prominent New England manufacturer to tout his "tax reform" program, which apparently benefits companies at the expense of health care, food security, and other benefits for the poor, middle, and working class.  Many signs about the callousness of the Republicans on health care.  "TrumpCare" means lack of care.  However, the idea of allowing Obamacare to fail may backfire, as it turns out many formerly uninsured people, who just happen to vote, have benefited from it.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:26 PM

Trump administration ends Affordable Care Act assistance contracts in 18 cities-

 

"President Donald Trump’s administration has ended Affordable Care Act contracts that brought assistance into libraries, businesses and urban neighborhoods in 18 cities, meaning shoppers on the insurance exchanges will have fewer places to turn for help signing up for coverage.

 

Community groups say the move, announced to them by contractors last week, will make it even more difficult to enroll the uninsured and help people already covered re-enroll or shop for a new policy. That’s already a concern because of consumer confusion stemming from the political wrangling in Washington and a shorter enrollment period....

 

http://www.pbs.org/n...acts-18-cities/

 

Trump: 'Let Obamacare fail; it will be a lot easier'

 


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:17 PM

Team Trump Used Obamacare Money to Run PR Effort Against It-

 

"The Trump administration has spent taxpayer money meant to encourage enrollment in the Affordable Care Act on a public relations campaign aimed at methodically strangling it.

 

The effort, which involves a multi-pronged social media push as well as video testimonials designed at damaging public opinion of President Obama’s health care law, is far more robust and sustained than has been publicly revealed or realized.

 

The strategy has caught the eye of legal experts and Democrats in Congress, who have asked government agencies to investigate whether the administration has misused funds and engaged in covert propaganda in its efforts to damage and overturn the seven-year-old health care law........

 

http://www.thedailyb...ce=twitter&via=


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:55 PM



"The Congressional Budget Office and related government agencies scored the cost of a single-payer health care system several times since 1991. The General Accounting Office published a report in 1991 noting that "[I]f the US were to shift to a system of universal coverage and a single payer, as in Canada, the savings in administrative costs [10 percent of health spending] would be more than enough to offset the expense of universal coverage."[56]

The CBO scored the cost in 1991, noting that "the population that is currently uninsured could be covered without dramatically increasing national spending on health" and that "all US residents might be covered by health insurance for roughly the current level of spending or even somewhat less, because of savings in administrative costs and lower payment rates for services used by the privately insured."[57].......

 

https://en.wikipedia...s_and_proposals

 

And from what I hear lots of Americans pay outrageous amounts to insurance companies for coverage.  Save that money and raise taxes just a little and everyone could be covered.  Every civilized nation in the world does it except America.  The absence of worry alone will extend life expectancies.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 04:02 PM

"The Congressional Budget Office and related government agencies scored the cost of a single-payer health care system several times since 1991. The General Accounting Office published a report in 1991 noting that "[I]f the US were to shift to a system of universal coverage and a single payer, as in Canada, the savings in administrative costs [10 percent of health spending] would be more than enough to offset the expense of universal coverage."[56]

The CBO scored the cost in 1991, noting that "the population that is currently uninsured could be covered without dramatically increasing national spending on health" and that "all US residents might be covered by health insurance for roughly the current level of spending or even somewhat less, because of savings in administrative costs and lower payment rates for services used by the privately insured."[57].......

 

https://en.wikipedia...s_and_proposals


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:42 PM

Well, to play devil's advocate, I'll state that the US is larger than most countries with single-payer. Also, as Hamradio mentioned, without some kind of adjustment to medical costs, the price tag would be astronomical . And finally, as many studies have shown over the past decade, Americans are generally in poorer health, not just due to lack of healthcare, but lack of exercise, dietary habits, etc.

 

Single payer would be enormously expensive, and it would require a real shift in the way things are done in the US The defense budget would have to go way down, taxation would have to go up a lot for many people, and there would most likely be an overhaul of the entire medical field, from top to bottom. I don't know when or if most Americans would be willing for any of that to happen, let alone the powerful lobbyists.

I searched a little, but could not come up with a good reference for how much it would actually cost for a single-payer system in US.

 

Below is a Washington Post editorial in which they cite one estimate that it would cost $32 Trillion over 10 years.  While that may be true, what about offsets with revenue from people covered, physicians, hospitals, employers, etc.?

/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/single-payer-health-care-would-have-an-astonishingly-high-price-tag/2017/06/18/9c70dae6-52d2-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html?utm_term=.4e481c2db085

 

One aspect is that the federal government already provides substantial medical coverage for employees, military and dependents, military retirees and dependents, VA, USPHS, and many others.  Not to mention that provided by state and local governments and school systems.

 

I still believe the answer is a truly bi-partisan commission to do an 18-24 month study with all stakeholders involved.



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:25 PM

Trump says Single Payer will bankrupt America.  How is that so when much poorer countries can afford it?  Maybe when you put it on top of the wall the military budget and slashes to taxes for the billionaires, but really ...?

 

Well, to play devil's advocate, I'll state that the US is larger than most countries with single-payer. Also, as Hamradio mentioned, without some kind of adjustment to medical costs, the price tag would be astronomical . And finally, as many studies have shown over the past decade, Americans are generally in poorer health, not just due to lack of healthcare, but lack of exercise, dietary habits, etc.

 

Single payer would be enormously expensive, and it would require a real shift in the way things are done in the US The defense budget would have to go way down, taxation would have to go up a lot for many people, and there would most likely be an overhaul of the entire medical field, from top to bottom. I don't know when or if most Americans would be willing for any of that to happen, let alone the powerful lobbyists.



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:04 PM

Trump says Single Payer will bankrupt America.  How is that so when much poorer countries can afford it?  Maybe when you put it on top of the wall the military budget and slashes to taxes for the billionaires, but really ...?


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 12:17 PM

Fair enough.   But with regards to the mandate;   so what should happen if someone that decides to NOT have health insurance,  has medical issues they cannot afford to pay for on a fee-for-service basis?   Should they get treatment?    

 

If YES,   isn't that unfair to all those that do pay into the system?     Isn't a no mandate policy just a supporting deadbeat policy?    I can see a wavier for the mandate if one maintains 200K in cash in an escrow account,  but if there is NO mandate, then those without insurance should receive NO treatments.      The GOP being the party of the capitalist should agree with this.      Why should privately owned hospitals be FORCED by law to treat those that have no insurance or ability to pay.   THAT is socialism and much more socialist IMO than a mandate.

 

If a person can afford insurance and decide not to, the cost should come out of pocket.  What about people that don't believe in modern medicine (religious beliefs - herbal treatment, etc)

 

For sake of argument, if I decide not to have insurance, the hospital has the right to turn me away - I'm willing to sign such a waiver relieving them of legal responsibility.  I will not live my final years on breathing machines, countless drugs - will let nature take its course.  This is MY choice.

 

The other problem is people in the VERY LOW INCOME bracket are penalized by the mandate. They can least afford it.  There are and have been free medical clinics for the poor, such clinics need to check their monthly income to insure well off  people that can afford medical care don't cheat the system.

 

The government is still not addressing the high cost of medical treatment, drugs - this is the root of the evil.  The hospital bill shouldn't be $1,000 for a band aid.  






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