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#21 Dargo

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 10:18 PM

I have to agree with my fellow posters here. I mean, who DOESN'T want to kick Strother Martin's scuzzy character in the face?

 

That's GOTTA be fun!

 

Ya see, what we got here is no failure to commiserate.

 

(...in other words, I couldn't agree with you more, Tom)

 

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#22 TomJH

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 10:00 PM

Best western swan song: The Shootist

 

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The Duke brought a dignity and proud grace to his final role as the dying gunman who decides to go out his own way. His restrained, dignified farewell scene with Lauren Bacall remains one of the actor's finest moments.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

 

 

As for LIBERTY VALANCE, you GOTTA see that one!  I LIVE for the scene in the diner when John Wayne kicks Strother Martin in the face! ("I'LL git it Libberdy!" *WHAM!* )  :D

 

 

 

Simply the greatest!

 

I have to agree with my fellow posters here. I mean, who DOESN'T want to kick Strother Martin's scuzzy character in the face?

 

That's GOTTA be fun!

 

 

 

One other thing. Once that steak hits the floor, I don't care who picks it up, I'm not eating it!
 


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:47 PM

 

As for LIBERTY VALANCE, you GOTTA see that one!  I LIVE for the scene in the diner when John Wayne kicks Strother Martin in the face! ("I'LL git it Libberdy!" *WHAM!* )  :D

 

 

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Simply the greatest!



#25 LornaHansonForbes

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:19 PM

Are you forgetting the 1962 Rat Pack Western "Sergeants Three" -- with Sammy Davis, Jr. as Gunga Din?


And are you forgetting, Good Sir, DIRTY DINGUS MCGEE, Sinatra's final picture and a western?

Or did you not know existed? I wouldn't blame you if You didnt....

I only found out about it a couple months ago whenwe were discussing Sinatra in another thread.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 06:09 PM

Mr.Gorman--"The Kissing Bandit" (1948) is an MGM musical set in 1800's California.  The film has one good dance number "Dance of Fury", with Ricardo Montalban, Ann Miller, and Cyd Charisse; it was excerpted in "That's Entertainment! Part III" (1994).  Costar Kathryn Grayson has a nice song "Love Is Where You Find It".  Below is the "Whip Dance", with Sono Osato.

 


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:48 PM

& some places rank the tremendously done on every level 1955 "Bad Day at Black Rock" (m-G-M) I personally don't, it only takes place in the west.

& *Bogey thought his own "Sierra Madre" a western, but it's more of an adventure, I think so anyway

 

I really don't understand what criteria people are using to classify Bad Day at Black Rock as a 'western'.     E.g. the time period isn't typical for a western (but there are westerns like Lonely Are the Brave and The Shootist that are post 1900),   no one works as a rancher,  cowboy,   or a typical 'western' job (in fact most of the 'bad guys' appear to have no job \ income source) and I don't see where it has any western themes.     It does have noir themes (e.g. post war angst,  obsession,  but no noir visuals).


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:17 PM

What about 1970's "Dirty Dingus McGee?" That cult-film of sorts & "Johnny Concho' were Sinatra's only westerns

 

Are you forgetting the 1962 Rat Pack Western "Sergeants Three" --  with Sammy Davis, Jr. as Gunga Din?

 



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:09 PM

Sinatra made a bonafide western in 1956 called JOHNNY CONCHO, where he played a supposed coward bullied by bad guy William Conrad.  Not a bad film at all. The theme song was written by Nelson Riddle, who first used the melody as an audition piece for COME NEXT SPRING.  The scoring job for that picture went to Max Steiner.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

'spence', the 1963 release 4 FOR TEXAS was a Western comedy starring Frank and Dino. 

 

    Sinatra also made a movie in the late '40s called 'THE KISSING BANDIT'.  I think it was a Western, but I could be full of bull as I'm not 100% sure!       

 

i have not seen it, but going by its synopsis on wikipedia, THE KISSING BANDIT seems like more of a swashbuckler/musical set in ZORRO territory.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:56 PM

'spence', the 1963 release 4 FOR TEXAS was a Western comedy starring Frank and Dino. 

 

    Sinatra also made a movie in the late '40s called 'THE KISSING BANDIT'.  I think it was a Western, but I could be full of bull as I'm not 100% sure!       



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:27 PM

& some places rank the tremendously done on every level 1955 "Bad Day at Black Rock" (m-G-M) I personally don't, it only takes place in the west.

& *Bogey thought his own "Sierra Madre" a western, but it's more of an adventure, I think so anyway

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:25 PM

& DUVALL is without a doubt among the finest actors "Alive!" My mom got to escort him don to his limo, back around 1980/81 at "Playboy Hotel & Casino" when she was security


Unfortunately, "Broken Trail" (2005) was a tv work like "Lonesome Dove' so it's status is limited, but shouldn't be of course.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:23 PM

Huh?   Unforgiven was terrible.  My dad was a western connoisseur, and I was raised on them.  He hated that movie, thought it was pretentious.  I had to agree.
 
His favorite was Lonesome Dove.  I am surprised that no one has mentioned that.  Ok, it's a "tv movie" - it doesn't matter.   THAT is the grandpappy of all of them.  Tommy Lee Jones flying thru town on that white/gray dapple horse.  The pigs following the wagon. Gus and the women.  
 
My favorite is actually Broken Trail.  There is nothing like Duvall - "You will not hurt these children. No sir."  
 
Other than that....
 
The Big Country
High Noon
Shane
Good Bad & Ugly
the Magnificent Seven
Stagecoach
True Grit  (Both, actually.)
Open Range
 
 
And I see a place on the list for The Hateful Eight as well. I reviewed/went to this epic, long & ultra bloody Tarentino film. & think it's a good western-(& better then his biggest $hit$ to date "Django Unchained")


& DUVALL is without a doubt among the finest actors "Alive!" My mom got to escort him don to his limo, back around 1980/81 at "Playboy Hotel & Casino" when she was security
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:19 PM

What about 1970's "Dirty Dingus McGee?" That cult-film of sorts & "Johnny Concho' were Sinatra's only westerns

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

Westerns is perhaps my least favorite film genre. My interest in classic films focuses almost exclusively on Easterns..



There are a couple that also list the top 50

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:16 PM

I believe it should be "Westerns is " rather than "Westerns are". "Westerns" is the name  of a genre, which is a singular concept. Grammar police?


Don't know who this was directed at, but I just post things as I get them

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:13 PM

THE BIG COUNTRY is definitely among my top ten westerns, an intelligent William Wyler production, with an outstanding cast all rising to the occasion and one of the truly great western musical scores by Jerome Moross.
 
I have a feeling that many western buffs might be dismissive of this lengthy film primarily for two reasons:
 
1. its relative lack of action
 
2. its pacifist message
 
Here's a set shot I've never seen before. What a cast! This would be Alfonso Bedoya's last film, released after his death. You see him seated beside Peck in this shot.
 
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& a near legendary score by Jerome Moross, but he lost that year to *D. Tiomkin for "The 0ld Man and the Sea"
& *Burl Ives was simply tremendous in his *Academy Award winning role

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:12 PM

First of all thanks for those that chimed-in on this one. Ironically, Hollywoods oldest film genre, is among the least respected & rewarded by the *AMPAS?

On that note whats your opinion of *"Cimarron" (RKO Radio)(l930-31)?

Personally I could never get threw it myself & never was interested in the 1960 remake

Here is another & poll from the British site (timeout.org) but I think it was just an "In House" editors poll & not the fans:

1st place "McCabe & Mrs Miller"
2. "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid"-(NOTE: Reportedly was Peckinpah's own fav. of his)
3. "The Searchers"
4. "Winchester 73"
5th place "The 0utlaw Josey Wales"
6. "Dead Man" (Johnny Depp & among Mitchum's last)
7. "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"
8. "Heaven's Gate"
9. "Decision Before dawn" (l954)
& it's 10th choice "The Good, the Bad & the Ugly"

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

"Westerns" is a plural, and the genre is known as "Western".  Like in,

 

"What kind of movie IS this?"  and the answer WOULDN'T be, "It's a WESTERNS."

 

Or like the MUSIC genre isn't known as "Coutry/westerns"    :)

 

 

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I'm  aware that westerns is the plural of western, but that is not the point. Read my post again.






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