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#1 jaragon

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Posted Yesterday, 12:23 PM

As you say, as the film nears its' conclusion, there do seem to be "missing scenes".

I would love to interview the screenwriter to understand who made the decision about the story line- there seem to be two films a doomed teen romance and the gay story. I believe the film makers did not want to deal or explore the issues they raised.  If the movie had been made in the 1950's the gay panic suicide would make a lot more sense.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:58 PM

And at the time the movie was made it's kind of shocking-but Bobby Lee is not only forgiving but has a lot of common sense- perhaps she doesn't believe that gay panic lead Bobby Joe to kill himself either?  Too bad it's too late for a sequel unless...

As you say, as the film nears its' conclusion, there do seem to be "missing scenes".


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#3 jaragon

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:27 PM

Yes, the sympathetic treatment of James Best's character is most perplexing.

And at the time the movie was made it's kind of shocking-but Bobby Lee is not only forgiving but has a lot of common sense- perhaps she doesn't believe that gay panic lead Bobby Joe to kill himself either?  Too bad it's too late for a sequel unless...



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 11:31 AM

In an interview with Bobby Gentry while the song was so popular, she said that the ending was vague on purpose.  She wanted everyone to supply his or her own ending.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:29 AM

But is that the real reason Billy Joe jumps of the bridge? The song gives no answer only vague clues.  In the movie the screenwriter must have come up with the homosexual panic angle because they needed a shocking revelation but the last time we see Billy alive he seems to be on way to dealing with his confusion about the incident.  Is Billy Joe gay or just confused?  There seems to be a missing scene- what happens when Billy goes home? Did he encounter someone else on the bridge that led to his death?  The idea that he killed himself because he got the girl pregnant sounds preposterous- I mean if anyone would have committed suicide it would have been her.  The filmmakers were only interested in doing a period doomed teen romance and not explore a more complex angle to the story.  It's interesting that Billy Joe's "rapist" is treated so sympathetically - we never see the act so we don't know if it was consensual- or if Billy Joe enjoyed it.  The implication is that he did enjoy it and realized that he was " one of those men" .  The story would make more sense if Billy Joe had fallen in love with another boy who rejected him and it drives him to commit suicide perhaps it might have been Bobby Lee's studly brother whose masculine beauty is very much on display.

Yes, the sympathetic treatment of James Best's character is most perplexing.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:29 PM

"Ode To Billy Joe" - 1976 - directed by Max Baer, Jr. -

 

Robby Benson killing himself by jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge -

 

because he spent a night with James Best -

 

 

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But is that the real reason Billy Joe jumps of the bridge? The song gives no answer only vague clues.  In the movie the screenwriter must have come up with the homosexual panic angle because they needed a shocking revelation but the last time we see Billy alive he seems to be on way to dealing with his confusion about the incident.  Is Billy Joe gay or just confused?  There seems to be a missing scene- what happens when Billy goes home? Did he encounter someone else on the bridge that led to his death?  The idea that he killed himself because he got the girl pregnant sounds preposterous- I mean if anyone would have committed suicide it would have been her.  The filmmakers were only interested in doing a period doomed teen romance and not explore a more complex angle to the story.  It's interesting that Billy Joe's "rapist" is treated so sympathetically - we never see the act so we don't know if it was consensual- or if Billy Joe enjoyed it.  The implication is that he did enjoy it and realized that he was " one of those men" .  The story would make more sense if Billy Joe had fallen in love with another boy who rejected him and it drives him to commit suicide perhaps it might have been Bobby Lee's studly brother whose masculine beauty is very much on display.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:48 PM

"Ode To Billy Joe" - 1976 - directed by Max Baer, Jr. -

 

Robby Benson killing himself by jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge -

 

because he spent a night with James Best -

 

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:18 PM

Jane Powell as, according to the ads, "a cannibal princess" in Allan Dwan's next-to-last film, "Enchanted Island" -

 

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This should have been a musical


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke in "The Pope Of Greenwich Village" (1984 - Stuart Rosenberg) - 

 

two awesome performances that could never be forgotten -

 

as cousins, Paulie and Charlie, their relationship is heart-felt and real -

 

when the film ends, you are eager to see them in a sequel -

 

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They were young and beautiful- Eric has aged better but his career is now strictly VOD- Mickey just had really bad plastic surgery

well at least he got an Oscar nomination


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

"The Woman In White" - Peter Godfrey - 1948

 

I don't like this film - it barely manages to explain the mysterious goings on -

 

but John Abbot's performance as the sickly uncle is so audaciously conceived -

 

as a far-from-together gay man -

 

that it becomes a memorable camp extravaganza -

 

and it totally unbalances the picture -

 

thank God, too, because Sidney Greenstreet's evil womanizer is totally unbelievable.

 

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The film should have been better. But John Abbott is brilliant. The scene in which he meets Gig Young can be used a master class in acting like a Victorian man with exquisitely delicate nerves. Vincent Price doesn't do it quite as well in The House of Usher, though one gets the impression he has seen John Abbott's performance.

 

Abbott's character -- and many of his lines -- are straight out of Wilkie Collins's novel.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 04:46 PM

I blame Jane Powell, she liked the script!

 

RKO soon went out of business, which says something. And Powell's days as a movie star were nearly over.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 04:30 PM

Yes, what were they thinking. Is cannibal princess supposed to be code for a carnivorous sexual appetite?

I blame Jane Powell, she liked the script!


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

Jane Powell as, according to the ads, "a cannibal princess" in Allan Dwan's next-to-last film, "Enchanted Island" -

 

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Yes, what were they thinking. Is cannibal princess supposed to be code for a carnivorous sexual appetite?


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:09 AM

Jane Powell as, according to the ads, "a cannibal princess" in Allan Dwan's next-to-last film, "Enchanted Island" -

 

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:41 PM

Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke in "The Pope Of Greenwich Village" (1984 - Stuart Rosenberg) - 

 

two awesome performances that could never be forgotten -

 

as cousins, Paulie and Charlie, their relationship is heart-felt and real -

 

when the film ends, you are eager to see them in a sequel -

 

172372_full.jpg


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 04:09 PM

"The Woman In White" - Peter Godfrey - 1948

 

I don't like this film - it barely manages to explain the mysterious goings on -

 

but John Abbot's performance as the sickly uncle is so audaciously conceived -

 

as a far-from-together gay man -

 

that it becomes a memorable camp extravaganza -

 

and it totally unbalances the picture -

 

thank God, too, because Sidney Greenstreet's evil womanizer is totally unbelievable.

 

220px-Curt_Bois-John_Abbott_in_The_Woman


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Posted 04 June 2017 - 08:48 PM

Lilly James and Richard Madden made an idealhttps://youtu.be/N6wShzhcbYg fairy tale couple.

That dress! Those trousers :wub:


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Posted 04 June 2017 - 08:34 PM

I cannot believe that this perverse casting - Richard Chamberlain and Christopher Gable - wasn't deliberate.

 

But what was the reasoning - to me, it is such a mystery.

Unless it was a gay casting director joke- Chamberlain and Gable even have a spirited duet.


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Posted 04 June 2017 - 08:08 PM

I didn't like the actress who played Cinderella, either - she had no discernible charm and had a weak singing voice.

 

Yes, Gemma Craven was kind of lackluster. The two most important roles in the entire movie could have been cast better. The supporting players were uniformly excellent. I loved seeing Edith Evans in her last screen role. And Margaret Lockwood and Kenneth More did nicely.


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Posted 04 June 2017 - 07:46 PM

They were casting subtext

I cannot believe that this perverse casting - Richard Chamberlain and Christopher Gable - wasn't deliberate.

 

But what was the reasoning - to me, it is such a mystery.


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