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#1 jaragon

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:38 PM

Joe Dante mentions that the director Tom Grafe cast his boyfriend David Love in the lead of "Teenagers from Outer Space"https://youtu.be/j4eQG0I9lsg

I'm curious about the documentary he mentions- there is almost no information on the doomed Grafe or his boyfriend



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Posted 02 August 2017 - 04:22 PM

Totally. I've never seen him this young. I wonder if Tyrone Power ever cornered him at a party.

 

Dana Andrews was another knockout as a youth who seemed to age quickly.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:54 AM

Ray Milland in "Bulldog Drummond Escapes" from 1937 -

 

HOTTER THAN HELL!!!! - 

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 03:22 PM

Famous closet case Kevin Spacey will star as Gore Vidal in biopic.  I wonder how much homosexual activity will be portrayed...?https://youtu.be/Hw8yO0Y4It4

 

This could be interesting.  "Famous closet case" Spacey playing Gore Vidal?  Playing Vidal in his later years, Vidal was still Vidal even if there isn't a lot of physical sex going on.  Armchair psychologists will have a field day with this casting.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:18 AM

Truman was asexual in "Capote" (2005) and a bit gayer in "Infamous" (2006)  I thought Toby Jones was more convincing and hey at least he got to kiss Daniel Craig.  Spacey is playing an older Vidal so there might be at least some hustler sex .  I'm sure Spacey will love casting that young man ;)   Spacey was too old for the Bobby Darin film- which I think has some interesting moments

According to what I read, Gore Vidal and his lover were not having sex for quite some time.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 05:26 PM

There wasn't much homosexual activity in either of the Truman Capote biopics, but I got the impression that Toby Jones' character in particular "thought" like a homosexual. I wonder how much Spacey will allow his character to "think" like a homosexual. I wonder if this is his project in the same way the Bobby Darin film was his project. Darin wasn't the kind of stretch for Spacey that I think Vidal would be.

Truman was asexual in "Capote" (2005) and a bit gayer in "Infamous" (2006)  I thought Toby Jones was more convincing and hey at least he got to kiss Daniel Craig.  Spacey is playing an older Vidal so there might be at least some hustler sex .  I'm sure Spacey will love casting that young man ;)   Spacey was too old for the Bobby Darin film- which I think has some interesting moments


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:18 AM

Famous closet case Kevin Spacey will star as Gore Vidal in biopic.  I wonder how much homosexual activity will be portrayed...?https://youtu.be/Hw8yO0Y4It4

 

There wasn't much homosexual activity in either of the Truman Capote biopics, but I got the impression that Toby Jones' character in particular "thought" like a homosexual. I wonder how much Spacey will allow his character to "think" like a homosexual. I wonder if this is his project in the same way the Bobby Darin film was his project. Darin wasn't the kind of stretch for Spacey that I think Vidal would be.


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 06:55 PM

"The Affairs of Dobie Gillis" - Don Weis - 1953 -

 

The cast includes Bobby Van, Debbie Reynolds, Bob Fosse and Barbara Ruick -

 

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In this film, Bob Fosse tells Bobby Van that he is "a living doll".


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 08:31 PM

Famous closet case Kevin Spacey will star as Gore Vidal in biopic.  I wonder how much homosexual activity will be portrayed...?https://youtu.be/Hw8yO0Y4It4


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 11:24 AM

Jason Lewis, as Joe the angel, in "Midnight, Texas" -

 

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 12:23 PM

As you say, as the film nears its' conclusion, there do seem to be "missing scenes".

I would love to interview the screenwriter to understand who made the decision about the story line- there seem to be two films a doomed teen romance and the gay story. I believe the film makers did not want to deal or explore the issues they raised.  If the movie had been made in the 1950's the gay panic suicide would make a lot more sense.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:58 PM

And at the time the movie was made it's kind of shocking-but Bobby Lee is not only forgiving but has a lot of common sense- perhaps she doesn't believe that gay panic lead Bobby Joe to kill himself either?  Too bad it's too late for a sequel unless...

As you say, as the film nears its' conclusion, there do seem to be "missing scenes".


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:27 PM

Yes, the sympathetic treatment of James Best's character is most perplexing.

And at the time the movie was made it's kind of shocking-but Bobby Lee is not only forgiving but has a lot of common sense- perhaps she doesn't believe that gay panic lead Bobby Joe to kill himself either?  Too bad it's too late for a sequel unless...



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 11:31 AM

In an interview with Bobby Gentry while the song was so popular, she said that the ending was vague on purpose.  She wanted everyone to supply his or her own ending.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:29 AM

But is that the real reason Billy Joe jumps of the bridge? The song gives no answer only vague clues.  In the movie the screenwriter must have come up with the homosexual panic angle because they needed a shocking revelation but the last time we see Billy alive he seems to be on way to dealing with his confusion about the incident.  Is Billy Joe gay or just confused?  There seems to be a missing scene- what happens when Billy goes home? Did he encounter someone else on the bridge that led to his death?  The idea that he killed himself because he got the girl pregnant sounds preposterous- I mean if anyone would have committed suicide it would have been her.  The filmmakers were only interested in doing a period doomed teen romance and not explore a more complex angle to the story.  It's interesting that Billy Joe's "rapist" is treated so sympathetically - we never see the act so we don't know if it was consensual- or if Billy Joe enjoyed it.  The implication is that he did enjoy it and realized that he was " one of those men" .  The story would make more sense if Billy Joe had fallen in love with another boy who rejected him and it drives him to commit suicide perhaps it might have been Bobby Lee's studly brother whose masculine beauty is very much on display.

Yes, the sympathetic treatment of James Best's character is most perplexing.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:29 PM

"Ode To Billy Joe" - 1976 - directed by Max Baer, Jr. -

 

Robby Benson killing himself by jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge -

 

because he spent a night with James Best -

 

 

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But is that the real reason Billy Joe jumps of the bridge? The song gives no answer only vague clues.  In the movie the screenwriter must have come up with the homosexual panic angle because they needed a shocking revelation but the last time we see Billy alive he seems to be on way to dealing with his confusion about the incident.  Is Billy Joe gay or just confused?  There seems to be a missing scene- what happens when Billy goes home? Did he encounter someone else on the bridge that led to his death?  The idea that he killed himself because he got the girl pregnant sounds preposterous- I mean if anyone would have committed suicide it would have been her.  The filmmakers were only interested in doing a period doomed teen romance and not explore a more complex angle to the story.  It's interesting that Billy Joe's "rapist" is treated so sympathetically - we never see the act so we don't know if it was consensual- or if Billy Joe enjoyed it.  The implication is that he did enjoy it and realized that he was " one of those men" .  The story would make more sense if Billy Joe had fallen in love with another boy who rejected him and it drives him to commit suicide perhaps it might have been Bobby Lee's studly brother whose masculine beauty is very much on display.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 05:48 PM

"Ode To Billy Joe" - 1976 - directed by Max Baer, Jr. -

 

Robby Benson killing himself by jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge -

 

because he spent a night with James Best -

 

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:18 PM

Jane Powell as, according to the ads, "a cannibal princess" in Allan Dwan's next-to-last film, "Enchanted Island" -

 

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This should have been a musical


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke in "The Pope Of Greenwich Village" (1984 - Stuart Rosenberg) - 

 

two awesome performances that could never be forgotten -

 

as cousins, Paulie and Charlie, their relationship is heart-felt and real -

 

when the film ends, you are eager to see them in a sequel -

 

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They were young and beautiful- Eric has aged better but his career is now strictly VOD- Mickey just had really bad plastic surgery

well at least he got an Oscar nomination


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

"The Woman In White" - Peter Godfrey - 1948

 

I don't like this film - it barely manages to explain the mysterious goings on -

 

but John Abbot's performance as the sickly uncle is so audaciously conceived -

 

as a far-from-together gay man -

 

that it becomes a memorable camp extravaganza -

 

and it totally unbalances the picture -

 

thank God, too, because Sidney Greenstreet's evil womanizer is totally unbelievable.

 

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The film should have been better. But John Abbott is brilliant. The scene in which he meets Gig Young can be used a master class in acting like a Victorian man with exquisitely delicate nerves. Vincent Price doesn't do it quite as well in The House of Usher, though one gets the impression he has seen John Abbott's performance.

 

Abbott's character -- and many of his lines -- are straight out of Wilkie Collins's novel.


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