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#161 jamesjazzguitar

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

Maybe the anti-Trump nonsense will stop when Trump stops his nonsense.

 

While Trump should stop his 'nonsense'  (I assume you mean his immature tweets, and other arsine comments) one can NOT expect the GOP from NOT wanting to implement a conservative agenda.   The GOP won majorities in both the House and Senate and there is a GOP President, so of course the GOP is going to implement a conservative agenda.

 

To me the question for all people that partake in political violence:  what is the major driver for you?  I.e. are you driven to violence  mainly because of the personalities of the players involved and their rhetoric OR the actual policy changes being implemented.

 

With Obama I believe it was mostly the latter with right-wing crazies.   Too early for me to tell with Trump.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:10 PM

Seems this shooting has woke some people up, we need to end this anti - Trump nonsense.  

 

Maybe the anti-Trump nonsense will stop when Trump stops his nonsense.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:49 AM

Seems this shooting has woke some people up, we need to end this anti - Trump nonsense.  Guess the left will turn a deaf ear for a call for unity on Capital Hill.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:44 AM

 

"Better to sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian."  Moby Dick

:D


"okay, so we're moving right along, folks" -al pacino, dog day afternoon


#165 Princess of Tap

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:44 AM

Day 145


" The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people,

The very first objective should be to keep that right;

And were it left to me to decide

whether we should have a government without newspapers or

Newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."


Thomas Jefferson, January 16th, 1787

A letter from Paris to Edward Carrington, a Continental Congress Delegate
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#166 Princess of Tap

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:19 AM

Day 144


Now is the time for all good women and men to come to the aid of their country.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:17 PM

oh that's right. it's from the declaration of independence. so now the left is going to argue that the constitution, declaration of independence and the bill of rights are all fluid and could mean practically anything. :lol:

 

I call that desperation in the face of truth. :P

 

"jonah did the almighty's bidding. and what was that, shipmates?

 

to preach the truth!...in the face of falsehood!" -orson welles, moby dick

 

:)

Not as fluid as Moby Dick, but there are ambiguities in both documents,

plus the fact that the English language has evolved over two hundred

years.

 

"Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian."  Moby Dick


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Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 05:54 PM

I won't be proclaiming those lines, which are not from the Constitution in the

first place. The intent of the Constitution's authors are hardly obvious. Who

knows exactly what was the original intent of a document that is over two

hundred years old? High crimes and misdemeanors. In today's language

those are opposites.

oh that's right. it's from the declaration of independence. so now the left is going to argue that the constitution, declaration of independence and the bill of rights are all fluid and could mean practically anything. :lol:

 

I call that desperation in the face of truth. :P

 

"jonah did the almighty's bidding. and what was that, shipmates?

 

to preach the truth!...in the face of falsehood!" -orson welles, moby dick

 

:)


"okay, so we're moving right along, folks" -al pacino, dog day afternoon


#169 Vautrin

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 03:14 PM

And yet it is the left that has been proclaiming the world famous line "All men are endowed by their creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." all over the place for decades as the beginning and the end of the argument for all human and civil liberties.

 

why? because the left loves ambiguity?  :huh:  :lol:

 

if you of the left in the face of the obvious original intent of the authors are going to plead ignorance and or a lack of basic comprehension skills than you are going to lose this argument mighty quick...

 

the objective and fair-minded will hafta draw one of two possible conclusions...

 

 

stupidity   

 

 

or

 

 

dishonesty

 

(I'm partial to the latter)

 

:P  :lol:

 

progressivism could just outright attack the constitution and the framers but that would be too obvious. :lol:

I won't be proclaiming those lines, which are not from the Constitution in the

first place. The intent of the Constitution's authors are hardly obvious. Who

knows exactly what was the original intent of a document that is over two

hundred years old? High crimes and misdemeanors. In today's language

those are opposites.


Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 11:24 AM


well if your progressive side is willing to poo-poo the framers and their writings then what is left? :huh:

what you just articulated is not what democrats were saying 40 and 50 years ago and not today either

they may talk about the constitution being a living document but even that is a far cry from what you just said.

how can you expect anyone to respect the constitutionality of R v. W when you just trashed the constitution?

mighty odd what you just said...and you said it because my interpretation of original intent is correct on it's face. :P

so you respond by defaming jefferson. pitiful. :)

You sure are quick to excuse Darling Donny when he poo poos and runs roughshod over a constitution he's never read, doesn't know or care about. His pursuit of happiness cannot be at the expense of others, as he's always done, or of the country, which he is now doing.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:24 AM

so trump is this big bad and evil inhuman monster???

 

And this HS is coming from people who accuse him of being cartoonish. :D

 

Donald Trump is there!....and America has got him!

 

 

enjoy!

 

incredible dynamic power of trump


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#172 NipkowDisc

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:08 AM

If the Constitution wasn't ambiguous in a number of places, it wouldn't

be necessary to constantly have the SC try to decide what it means.

Jefferson was also a notorious deadbeat, failing to pay his debts. Not

exactly a good role model.

And yet it is the left that has been proclaiming the world famous line "All men are endowed by their creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." all over the place for decades as the beginning and the end of the argument for all human and civil liberties.

 

why? because the left loves ambiguity?  :huh:  :lol:

 

if you of the left in the face of the obvious original intent of the authors are going to plead ignorance and or a lack of basic comprehension skills than you are going to lose this argument mighty quick...

 

the objective and fair-minded will hafta draw one of two possible conclusions...

 

 

stupidity   

 

 

or

 

 

dishonesty

 

(I'm partial to the latter)

 

:P  :lol:

 

progressivism could just outright attack the constitution and the framers but that would be too obvious. :lol:


"okay, so we're moving right along, folks" -al pacino, dog day afternoon


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:32 AM

Day 143



" I know not what course others may take, but as for me;

Give me liberty, or give me death! "


--Patrick Henry

Speech to the Second Virginia Convention on March 23rd, 1775 in Richmond

To organize Virginia Militia Men to fight for independence against Great Britain

#174 Vautrin

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 10:39 PM

well if your progressive side is willing to poo-poo the framers and their writings then what is left? :huh:

 

what you just articulated is not what democrats were saying 40 and 50 years ago and not today either

 

they may talk about the constitution being a living document but even that is a far cry from what you just said.

 

how can you expect anyone to respect the constitutionality of R v. W when you just trashed the constitution?

 

mighty odd what you just said...and you said it because my interpretation of original intent is correct on it's face. :P

 

so you respond by defaming jefferson. pitiful. :)

If the Constitution wasn't ambiguous in a number of places, it wouldn't

be necessary to constantly have the SC try to decide what it means.

Jefferson was also a notorious deadbeat, failing to pay his debts. Not

exactly a good role model.


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#175 Princess of Tap

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:35 PM

Isn't it only defamation if it isn't true? Jefferson owned slaves, that's a fact.

That also doesn't change the words in the Constitution in the least. It just points out that hypocrisy in politics was as alive at the beginning of our nation as it is now.



Thomas Jefferson's personal life has finally been sorted out - - he had two sets of children both mixed-race and white.

Now that would be true about a lot of well-to-do white men in colonial times who owned black slaves. But what makes Thomas Jefferson's situation so fascinating is the fact that the mother of his 6 mixed- race children was also his sister-in-law!

Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson's deceased first wife, Martha Jefferson were, indeed, half sisters. They had the same father, a slave owner named John Wayles.

You can just guess that perhaps Sally and Martha may have had a family resemblance.

When John Wayles died, Martha inherited 125 black slaves-- among them were Sally Hemings, her half-sister, who came to Monticello at that time.

After Martha's death, it's a known fact that Sally accompanied Thomas Jefferson to Paris in 1787 where he held the post of United States Minister to France.

A few years back I watched an Oprah Winfrey show where she invited the white descendants of Thomas Jefferson and the mixed-race descendants of Thomas Jefferson to come on the show and discuss the whole thing.

You can't get away from any issues concerning race if you have to discuss American history-- it was there at the very beginning and it is still with us.
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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:09 PM

so you respond by defaming jefferson. pitiful. :)

 

Isn't it only defamation if it isn't true? Jefferson owned slaves, that's a fact. 

 

That also doesn't change the words in the Constitution in the least. It just points out that hypocrisy in politics was as alive at the beginning of our nation as it is now.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:47 PM

The Founding Slaveocrats may have found them to be self-evident,

doesn't mean they are. Old Master Jefferson running on about

liberty. The absurdity of that never gets old.

well if your progressive side is willing to poo-poo the framers and their writings then what is left? :huh:

 

what you just articulated is not what democrats were saying 40 and 50 years ago and not today either

 

they may talk about the constitution being a living document but even that is a far cry from what you just said.

 

how can you expect anyone to respect the constitutionality of R v. W when you just trashed the constitution?

 

mighty odd what you just said...and you said it because my interpretation of original intent is correct on it's face. :P

 

so you respond by defaming jefferson. pitiful. :)


"okay, so we're moving right along, folks" -al pacino, dog day afternoon


#178 Princess of Tap

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 05:36 PM

Trump has indicated he is mostly concerned about his self image. Funny in that it came from him, not his critics.

The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon

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The only thing Trump has accomplished is proving that he is a scam
artist and habitual liar, which many people knew long before he ran
for office. Now he is taking his act nationwide.



#179 Vautrin

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:09 PM

The Founding Slaveocrats may have found them to be self-evident,

doesn't mean they are. Old Master Jefferson running on about

liberty. The absurdity of that never gets old.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 11:33 AM

"Trump is excellent at being Trump--and that's all he cares about and that's the only person he cares about."

 

This has been MORE than evident for the last 40 years he's been in the public eye.  WHY is ANYONE surprised by this?

 

 

Sepiatone

 

Trump has indicated he is mostly concerned about his self image.  Funny in that it came from him, not his critics.

 

The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon

 

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