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Richard Barthelmess in JUST SUPPOSE and THE DROP KICK


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Posted 02 August 2009 - 10:18 AM

If you don't want to compromise quality even further consider putting the film that won't fit on a typical DVD-R disc onto a double layer DVD+R disc. They are available off Amazon. I buy in bulk and I'd say 7 times out of 10 I use double layer discs now, so I don't have to squeeze movies onto one DVD-R that only carries about 4.3 gig of film. Double layer discs hold over 8 gig of space.

http://www.amazon.co...49226173&sr=8-6

DVD Shrink can burn these double layer discs if you choose No Compression option on the right hand side panel. They cost a little more but if you are tired of watching films that look like soup from compression then give them a try.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 08:19 AM

*The Patent Leather Kid*..... I had an old VHS of this (so-so print quality, grainy, etc.) and transferred it to DVD a few years ago. The trouble was at 127 minutes it would fit on one DVD. My DVD recorder only records at standard speed, not EP.

Anyway I recently had a request for a copy of this terrific film (Richard Barthelmess' first Oscar nomination) so I started tinkering with it and finally found a program that allowed me to combine the video files from two folders and get the film all on one DVD.

Emboldened by this success (Im' not a tekkie), I reloaded MAGIX Movie Edit Pro 12, which I bought 2 years ago and couldn't figure out. Again with the tinkering I finally figured out how to edit the first video file and append the other four. I turned the b&w to sepia (a much softer look that mellows out a lot of scratches etc) and added a soft iris.

The burn process for project last an incredible 22 hours! I have no idea if that's a standard time for something like this. But when I got up this morning I had a new, tinted version of this film.

I am very pleased.

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#23 gagman66

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 10:29 PM

Scottman,


I remember the list of First National titles. I do not recall seeing the full list of MGM's though? I only had the list of MGM's that up until that time in 1997, had not yet been featured at festivals.

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 10:05 PM

Jeff,
When I posted here the surviving First Nationals and MGMs, a while ago they were from alt.movies.silent too. I think I have a surviving Paramounts list i could post....

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 06:27 PM

Yeah, that is where the Universal titles list came from. I do not have a complete MGM, listing, First National, Paramount Etc. You can add on the recent additions that musicalnovelty mentioned. Also have this list of quasi-MGM titles. What is *THE COVERED WAGON* doing on there?


Blind Husbands (1919, UNIV)
Confessions of a Queen (1925, ME-GL) incomplete
Conquering Power, The (1921, METRO)
Covered Wagon, The (1923, FPL)
Denial, The (1925, ME-GL) incomplete
Eternal Struggle, The (1923, MAYER)
Extravagance (1921, METRO)
False Faces, The (1919, INCE)
Famous Mrs. Fair, The (1923, MAYER)
Fine Feathers (1921, METRO)
Fourteenth Lover, The (1922, METRO)
Garden of Allah, The (1927, INGRM)
Garments of Truth (1921, SLPIC)
Greed (1925, ME-GL)
Half-a-Dollar Bill (1924, GRAFM)
Happiness (1924, METRO)
Her Fatal Millions (1923, METRO)
Idle Rich, The (1921, METRO)
Lady of the Night (1925, ME-GL)
Last Card, The (1921, METRO)
Lovelorn, The (1927, COSMO)
Monster, The (1925, ME-GL)
Old Clothes (1925, COOGN)
One Clear Call (1922, MAYER)
Our Dancing Daughters (1928, COSMO)
Penalty, The (1920, EMAUP)
Pretty Ladies (1925, ME-GL) incomplete
Prisoner of Zenda, The (1922, METRO)
Proud Flesh (1925, ME-GL)
Rag Man, The (1925, ME-GL)
Red Lights (1923, GLDPC)
Red Lily, The (1924, ME-GL)
Red Mill, The (1926, COSMO)
Regeneration (1915, FOX)
Revelation (1924, ME-GL)
Scaramouche (1923, METRO)
Shooting of Dan McGrew, The (1924, SLPIC)
Sporting Venus, The (1925, ME-GL)
Tide of Empire (1929, COSMO)
Torrent, The (1925, COSMO)
Understanding Heart, The (1926, COSMO)
Whirl of Life, The (1915, CORTF)
White Desert, The (1925, ME-GL)
White Sister, The (1923, INSPR)
Wine of Youth (1924, ME-GL)
Thy Name Is Woman (1924, MAYER)
Turn to the Right (1922, METRO)
Haunted Pajamas, The (1917, YORKE)
Seeing's Believing (1922, METRO)
Temptress, The (1926, COSMO)
Tillie the Toiler (1927, COSMO)
Wild Oranges (1924, GLDPC)
Lights of Old Broadway (1925, COSMO)
Better 'Ole, The (1927, WARNR)
Flaming Forest, The (1926, COSMO)
Quality Street (1927, COSMO)
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, The (1921, METRO)
Peg o' My Heart (1922, METRO)
Quincy Adams Sawyer (1912, PURSF)
Show Boat (1929, UNIV) incomplete
Way of a Girl, The (1925, ME-GL)

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 06:01 PM

> {quote:title=gagman66 wrote:}{quote}
> Hey Scottman! Where are you getting your information from? Can you tell me If BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY is complete? Does it is exist in 35 Millimeter? Have you seen it? Aaron actually mentioned something about having a copy, but I have no details? Send me an E-mail.
Jeff, the info came from a Jon Mirsalis posting on the old alt.movies.silent newsgroup.
It was posted there about 9 or 10 years ago. I printed it at that time and kept the info as it was the most up to date (for the time). I figure a few more title have been found since then, but the numbers are still low. I have not seen the 1927 version of BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY, on the 1919 version with Nell Shipman.

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 05:51 PM

Hey Scottman! Where are you getting your information from? Can you tell me If BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY is complete? Does it is exist in 35 Millimeter? Have you seen it? Aaron actually mentioned something about having a copy, but I have no details? Send me an E-mail.

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 05:43 PM

While it quite a few Universal titles that survive, the percent ratio to those that were made is rather small compared to MGM, for instance.
Universal made a total of 950 silent features. There are only 180 that survive, which is 19%.
Of those 180 titles 145 of them are complete, which brings the number down to 15%.
MGM made 178 silent features. 122 survive, which is 69%. Of those 122 title, 107 are complete, which is 60%. All things considered, it's still better than no title surviving!

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 05:39 PM

musicalnovelty,

That is good to know. I wish I could find a copy of BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY. Not to mention THE LOVE THRILL. Among others. .

The list was compiled by Jon Mirsalis. Who has scored a few Silents for TCM in the past. You can reach him here.


> e-mail: Chaney...@aol.com
> Lon Chaney Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan
> Jon's Film Sites: http://members.aol.c...Fan/jonfilm.htm

Besides BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY, I have discovered a few more surviving Renee Adoree films. Including...

THE ETERNAL STRUGGLE (Metro, 1923)

PARISIAN NIGHTS (MGM, 1926)

ON ZE BOULEVARD (MGM, 1927)

HEAVEN ON EARTH (MGM, 1927)

I had already confirmed the existence of the once lost FORBIDDEN HOURS (1928), Also MAN AND MAID (1925), AN EXCHANGE OF WIVES (1925), THE FLAMING FOREST (1926), and possibly Jose' Von Sternberg's THE EXQUISITE SINNER (1926). There is also a film with Renee and Norma Shearer, but I have forgotten what it was called?

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 05:07 PM

That list being from 2000, maybe these titles have already been added by whoever compiled the list, but if not, add:


DANGEROUS INNOCENCE (1925) - Laura LaPlante, Eugene O'Brien, Jean Hersholt.

THE FIGHTING AMERICAN (1924) - Mary Astor, Pat O'Malley, Warner Oland.

THE LONE EAGLE (1927) - Raymond Keane, Barbara Kent.

THE LOVE THRILL (1927) - Laura LaPlante, Tom Moore.

MODERN LOVE (1929) (part-talkie) - Charley Chase, Kathryn Crawford.

OH, BABY! (1926) - Madge Kennedy, Little Billy, Creighton Hale.

THE OLD SOAK (1926) - Jean Hersholt, June Marlowe, George Lewis.

PEACOCK FEATHERS (1927) - Jacqueline Logan, Cullen Landis.

PERCH OF THE DEVIL (1927) - Mae Busch, Pat O'Malley.

THE SMALL BACHELOR (1927) - Barbara Kent, Andre Beranger.

SKINNER STEPS OUT (1929) - Glenn Tryon, Merna Kennedy.

THANKS FOR THE BUGGY RIDE (1928) - Laura LaPlante, Glenn Tryon.

WATCH YOUR WIFE (1926) - Virginia Valli, Pat O'Malley.

Also silent versions of:

THE CLIMAX (1930) - Jean Hersholt, Kathryn Crawford.

THE COHENS AND KELLYS IN ATLANTIC CITY (1929) - George Sidney, Mack Swain.

THE COHENS AND KELLYS IN SCOTLAND (1930) - George Sidney, Charlie Murray.

DAMES AHOY! (1930) - Glenn Tryon, Helen Wright.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 02:02 PM

Prince,

I don't have a list of all of his surviving films. But I do have this list of all known surviving Universal Silents. There are allot more of them than one would suspect. I would like to find a complete listing of surviving First National titles.

The Universal list is from 2000. Several Laura La Plante features are in here. Also BACK TO GOD'S COUNTRY (1927) with Renee Adoree.


> 13 Washington Square 28
> 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea 16
> Alias the Deacon 28
> All Night 18
> Back to God's Country 27
> Back Trail, The 24
> Barriers of Society 16
> Beautiful Cheat, The 26
> Behind the Curtain 24
> Blazing Days 27
> Blind Husbands 19
> Blue Streak McCoy 20
> Border Sheriff, The 26
> Bread 18
> Buck Privates 28
> Buckaroo Kid, The 26
> Butterfly 24
> Calgary Stampede, The 25
> California Straight Ahead 25
> Cat and the Canary, The 27
> Chapter in Her Life, A 23
> Charlatan, The 29
> Cheerful Fraud, The 27
> Chip of the Flying U 26
> Claw, The 27
> Cloud Dodger, The 28
> Cohens and the Kellys in Paris, The 28
> Cohens and the Kellys, The 26
> Combat, The 26
> Conflict, The 21
> Crooked Alley 23
> Damon and Pythias 14
> Dead Game 23
> Delicious Little Devil, The 19
> Devil's Pit, The a/Under the Southern Cross 30
> Don Quickshot of the Rio Grande 23
> Drifting 23
> Dumb Girl of Portici, The 16
> End of the Rainbow, The 16
> Exquisite Thief, The 19
> Family Secret, The 24
> Fangs of Destiny 27
> Fast Worker, The 24
> Fatherhood 15
> Field of Honor, The 17
> Fifth Avenue Models 25
> Fighting Fury 24
> Finders Keepers 28
> Fire Flingers, The 19
> Folly of Desire, The 16
> Foolish Wives 22
> Fourth Commandment, The 27
> Fox, The 21
> Freedom of the Press 28
> Gate Crasher, The 28
> Girl on the Barge, The 29
> Gloriana 16
> Goose Woman, The 25
> Grasp of Greed, The 16
> Guardians of the Wild 28
> Gun Fightin' Gentleman, A 19
> Head Winds 25
> Heart of Humanity, The 19
> Hell Bent 18
> Her Big Night a/Local Girl Makes Good 26
> Her Soul's Inspiration 17
> Hero for a Night, A 27
> His Lucky Day 29
> His Mystery Girl 23
> His People 25
> Hit and Run 24
> Home James 28
> Homemaker, The 25
> Hoofbeats of Vengeance 28
> How to Handle Women 28
> Human Hearts 22
> Hunchback of Notre Dame, The 23
> I'll Show You the Town 25
> Ice Flood, The 26
> If My Country Should Call 16
> Iron Hand, The 16
> It Can Be Done 29
> Ivanhoe 13
> Jazz Mad 28
> Kentucky Derby, The 22
> King of the Rodeo 29
> Lasca--Down by the Rio Grande 19
> Last Performance, The 29
> Last Warning, The 28
> Little Miss Nobody 17
> Little Orphan, The 17
> Lonesome 28
> Lorraine of the Lions 25
> Love Aflame 17
> Love Me and the World is Mine 28
> Love Trap, The 29
> Mad Whirl, The 25
> Madcap, The 16
> Man in Blue, The 25
> Man in the Moonlight, The 19
> Man Under Cover, The 22
> Man Who Laughs, The 28
> Marriage Clause, The 26
> Marriage Lie, The 18
> Merry-Go-Round 23
> Michigan Kid, The 28
> Midnight Sun, The 26
> Millionaire, The 21
> Mrs. Plum's Pudding 15
> My Old Dutch 26
> Mysterious Mrs. M, The 17
> Neptune's Daughter 14
> Night Bird, The 28
> No Woman Knows 21
> Oh, Doctor! 25
> One Wonderful Night 22
> Outside the Law 21
> Overland Red 20
> Paid in Advance 19
> Phantom Bullet, The 26
> Phantom Flyer, The 28
> Phantom of the Opera, The 25
> Pink Tights 20
> Place Beyond the Winds, The 16
> Poker Faces 26
> Prairie King, The 27
> Price of Pleasure, The 25
> Primrose Path, The 15
> Princess Virtue 17
> Raggedy Queen, The 17
> Reckless Age, The 24
> Rose of Paris, The 24
> Scandal 29
> Scandal a/Scandal Mongers 15
> Scarlet Car, The 17
> Sea Flower, The 18
> Secret Man, The 17
> Seekers, The 16
> Sensation Seekers 27
> Shakedown, The 29
> Shark Master, The 21
> Shield of Honor, The 28
> Shock, The 23
> Shoes 16
> Show Boat 29
> Signal Tower, The 24
> Silk Stockings 27
> Silks and Saddles a/Thoroughbreds 29
> Skinner's Dress Suit 26
> Smilin' Guns 29
> Smouldering Fires 25
> Social Bucaneer, The 16
> Soul for Sale, A 17
> Spangles 26
> Spook Ranch 25
> Sporting Life 25
> Sporting Youth 24
> Spotted Lily, The 17
> Stella Maris 25
> Stolen Ranch, The 26
> Storm, The 22
> Straight Shootin' 27
> Straight Shooting 17
> Surrender 28
> Texas Streak, The 26
> That's My Daddy 28
> Tornado 24
> Traffic in Souls 13
> Trap, The 22
> Turmoil, The 24
> Unattainable, The 16
> Uncle Tom's Cabin 27
> Under Two Flags 22
> Untameable, The 23
> Up the Ladder 25
> Virgin of Stamboul, The 20
> What Happened to Jones 26
> Where are My Children? 16
> Where Was I? 25
> Whirlpool of Destiny, The 16
> White Tiger, The 23
> Whole Town's Talking, The 26
> Wicked Darling, The 19
> Wild Beauty 27
> Wild Blood 29
> Wild Horse Stampede, The 26
> Won in the Clouds 28
> Yellow Back, The 26


> One caveat, of this list, the following are incomplete:


> End of the Rainbow, The
> Exquisite Thief, The
> Fatherhood
> Fire Flingers, The
> Folly of Desire, The
> Gloriana
> Grasp of Greed, The
> Gun Fightin' Gentleman, A
> Her Soul's Inspiration
> How to Handle Women
> Ice Flood, The
> If My Country Should Call
> Iron Hand, The
> Jazz Mad
> Little Orphan, The
> Love Aflame
> Madcap, The
> Marriage Clause, The
> Marriage Lie, The
> Mysterious Mrs. M, The
> Place Beyond the Winds, The
> Princess Virtue
> Rose of Paris, The
> Scandal a/Scandal Mongers
> Secret Man, The
> Seekers, The
> Shoes
> Smilin' Guns
> Social Bucaneer, The
> Soul for Sale, A
> Spook Ranch
> Sporting Youth
> Spotted Lily, The
> Unattainable, The
> Whirlpool of Destiny, The

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 07:33 AM

Anyone have a list of his extant silents?

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 06:43 PM

It wasn't as trite as The Lash or as dull as Spy of Napoleon but it was a lackluster film in my view and I just didn't care about the romance between Richard and Ann at all. There was nothing special there. Dull. Also, Richard's eye problems were very evident in the film. Those bags he developed under his eyes, apparently from plastic surgery that went badly for him.

In my opinion Richard's best talkies (in order) are:

1) Heroes for Sale
2) The Last Flight
3) Central Airport
4) The Dawn Patrol aka Flight Commander
5) Midnight Alibi
6) The Finger Points
7) Only Angels Have Wings
8) Son of the Gods
9) Weary River
10) Cabin in the Cotton
11) A Modern Hero
12) Four Hours To Kill

Pretty much all the others were disappointing to me in some way. Either they didn't give him enough screen time or the plots were on the dull or silly side. For instance I liked Alias the Doctor at first but then it turned rather far fetched and ludicrous.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 06:12 PM

I liked MASSACRE, I found it unusual for its time in that the story involved the plight of native Americans at the hands of corrupt whites. Something that was not common in films of the "golden age". Casting Richard Barthelemss as a Lakota does seem it bit strange 75 years later, but such were the ways of Hollywood at the time.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:28 AM

I didn't like Massacre at all. Didn't think Richard had much onscreen chemistry with Ann Dvorak at all.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 05:40 AM

Never seen *Massacre,* but TCM has run *Weary River* now and then, a film that almost ended Barthelmess' talkie career because the ads claimed he did his own singing (he did not). His follow-up film, *Drag,* boasted ads in which he personally vouched he did all his own voice work.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 12:48 AM

Richard Barthelmess for Star of the Month, or at least a day-long tribute, perhaps on his birthday, would be well-deserved and long over-due.
Some other Barthelmess movies TCM has that they don't run often enough are "Weary River" (1929) and "Massacre" (1934). Ironically, it seems the Barthelmess film they run the most often is not even a Warner Bros. picture, but the Columbia movie "Only Angels Have Wings" (1939).
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 12:07 AM

Yeah, in the last release of Forbidden Hollywood films they didn't even bother mentioning Richard's name in the commercial they ran on TCM, even when his face flashed on the screen in *Heroes for Sale*. I confess I was more than slightly annoyed. They all seem to forget what a huge star he was.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:01 PM

I've bought a few from them, notable *A Pair of Silk Stockings,* but didn't know they had *The Drop Kick.* I'll check it out. I have another copy coming from another seller to compare with my copy. Mine was a VHS originally but it wasn't from Grapevine. No idea where I got it....

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 08:15 PM

BelleLeGrand1,

I have a few DVD-R's from those guys, but was not aware they offered THE DROP KICK. Thanks for the information. My copy could use an upgrade.

Richard Barthelmess for Star of The Month is very remote. We haven't even gotten John Gilbert as Star of the Month yet. It's nice to see Marion Davies having a whole 24 hours on Monday. But it would have been even better if they had at least one Silent feature premier scheduled for the event.




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