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#481 Arturo

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:42 PM

*And as long as Billy Wilder hadn't cast Ruby Keeler as Phyllis Dietrichson.......*

Or infinitely worse, dick Powell's current bride, June Allyson.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:24 PM

My most recently watched noir is *Red Light*. It has an excellent cast, with George Raft, Virginia Mayo, Raymond Burr, and Harry Morgan, just for starters. Beautifully shot, with great lighting. If the writing was just a bit better, I'd give it an "A." But, I did enjoy it a lot.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 03:24 PM

Hi, MissW. The actor who's so creepy in *Crime in the Streets* is Mark Rydell, who went on to direct films like *The Reivers*, *The Rose*, and *On Golden Pond*.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:11 AM

Well, randy, you're not the only one to have commented here that they like *Where Danger Lives*. You know what? I've only seen it once. Maybe I should give it another shot, I might change my mind.
I respect the opinions of the people who like it, and I have been known to change my mind about a film. I'll get it out of its boxed set and check it out again soon. :)

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 07:43 AM

miss wonderly, i read your review of Where Danger Lives and i'd like to offer another view if i may. Firstly, it's fine if WDL fell flat for you, glad you gave your honest opinion. For me, i've always loved this film, and usually get excited and record it when TCM trots it out. The story is so dark, moody, and intriguing to me. Then again, i love most left-of-center noirs that most folks don't like: The Two Mrs. Carrolls, Dishonored Lady, Las Vegas Story, ... I like Mitchum in this, really enjoy Claude Rains in anything. But I LOVE to gawk at Faith Domergue in WDL, she is so gorgeous to look at. I enjoy Faith in other films as well; been a fan of hers since 1993. But overall, i do enjoy the plot and the desperateness of it all, a wild ride to the mexican border.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:21 AM

*Hell's Island* (1955) director Phil Karlson, with John Payne, Mary Murphy, Eduardo Noriega, Francis L. Sullivan, Barzland, Arnold Moss, and Paul Picerni, Payne an ex DA from LA is an employee of a Casino in Vegas he is approached by Barzland to go to a Caribbean Island to recover a precious ruby that Barzland suspects Murphy, Payne's ex-girlfriend is hiding. Once torch carrying Payne is told about Murphy's involvement he's all set to go. So begins this obviously studio bound color Noir that despite those two detractions isn't all that bad with a few twists along the way. Its not very atmospheric but Murphy is a cute and ruthless femme fatale. Being generous with a 7/10

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 07:57 PM

maybe it's the presence of Ava Gardner ( I know ! - sacrilege ! )

That's only for men!

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:35 PM

Well, I must admit, that goes back to my own student days...maybe they don't sell them anymore (they were perfectly legal, you bought them in a drugstore. Caffeine in a pill.) Guess "redbull" and the like have replaced them. Anyway, perhaps they were only available in Canada, like Red Rose Tea.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:07 PM

"Rooster on the box"? Is this from the same people who brought you "po-faced"?

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 01:05 PM

At least this "protegee" did get to be in movies, though her career trailed off
rather quickly.

The Killers has one of my favorite noir phrases, "bright boy." Think you're
smart, bright boy. Of course having a gun handy is always an advantage.
They do pack a lot into an hour and forty-five minutes, but I've always liked
it. And of course it repeats that old lesson: If you're trying to hide out from
someone, don't get a job in a gas station. Then again, the Swede wasn't
exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:00 PM

*The Killers* - I've talked about this before, so I'll keep it brief. Next time I watch this, I'll have to take one of those "stay awake" pills that students use to pull all-nighters, you know, they have a rooster on the box. It's either that or one of those caffeine-infused beverages ( which students also use) if I want to stay awake all the way through this Hemingway-based noir. I do not know why, but this film always has a soporific effect on me. I like Burt Lancaster and Edmond O'Brien, am also a fan of Robert Siodmak. Maybe it's the complicated plot (but many noirs have overly complicated plots, and it doesn't bother me), or maybe it's the presence of Ava Gardner ( I know ! - sacrilege ! ) but I can never stay awake through all 103 minutes of *The Killers*.

This is my useful and insightful take on the film.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:38 AM

Just going to respond to a couple more of cigarjoe's reviews from a few posts back:

*Crime in the Streets* is on that "Film Noir Volume 5" boxed set that came out about a year ago. I'm not sure it belongs on a noir set, especially when you consider that there are still many really good actual film noirs that are not yet on DVD.
The title is the most noirish aspect of *Crime in the Streets*. It's really one of those angsty "socially conscious" juvenile delinquent movies so prevalent in the late 50s - kind of a *West Side Story* without the music. Well, actually, it's a lot nastier than WSS.

But however you want to label it, I don't consider it a film noir. As a "juvenile delinquent" drama, I suppose it works; it's interesting to see John Cassavetes in such an early role, although he seems too old for the part. The most memorable character in it is the most disturbing - the guy who seems to get some kind of erotic kick out of violence and killing, especially if it involves knifing someone and watching their blood. Very creepy character, kind of a forerunner to the types you see more frequently in later films. Can't recall the actor's name, but he surely did a good job of creating one repulsive and disturbing person.

kingrat put it very well: "It's a crime story that morphs into a problem drama. The ending is definitely not noir."

As a "teen drama", *Crime in the Streets* certainly more gritty and more raw than most; but with a few exceptions, I don't really care for this type of film.

Edited by: misswonderly on May 26, 2011 12:46 PM

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:00 AM

> {quote:title=C.Bogle wrote:}{quote}
> There was a story around Hollywood that Hughes put Faith Domergue in
> some little hideaway and forgot she was there. It's probably apocryphal,
> but it does speak to Hughes' relationships with his "protegees." Penny
> Stallings called her Hughes' "celluloid Spruce Goose." :)

Perhaps "protegee" was code for "tart".

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#494 C.Bogle

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 10:57 PM

There was a story around Hollywood that Hughes put Faith Domergue in
some little hideaway and forgot she was there. It's probably apocryphal,
but it does speak to Hughes' relationships with his "protegees." Penny
Stallings called her Hughes' "celluloid Spruce Goose." :)

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

*Moonrise* (1948) Director: Frank Borzage with Dane Clark, Gail Russell, Ethel Barrymore, Allyn Joslyn, Rex Ingram, Harry Morgan, Harry Carey Jr, and Lloyd Bridges. A Republic Pictures entry into the dark side, Noir comes to Dog Patch, the hills run black. Actually for a studio set bound film its got its moments. The hanging of the leads father in the rain segues into a crying baby with a shadow of a doll hanging by a cord looming across the crib. A bit crude but effective. One particularly nice sequence is when Dane Clark confronts mute Harry Morgan and bumps a hanging overhead shaded light bulb the subsequent swinging shadows are reminiscent of Ford's Stagecoach and the trading post kerosene lamp in Leone's Once Upon a Time in the West.

Story is essentially, boy grows up (Clark) with taunts from other children about the hanging of his father which continue from bankers son Bridges into adulthood. At a backwoods dance Bridges again taunts Clark, they fight, Bridges picks up rock and hits Clark who wrestles it away and kills Bridges with it. Clark hides body in swamp and rejoins dance and Gail Russell. Clark is haunted by the prospect of having "bad" blood coursing through his veins. Clark is afraid to notify the police and Russell tries to influence him to admit his guilt, but he runs away.

A bit too corn-pone, Clark is not a convincing hillbilly, it drags a bit , but is mildly entertaining, with some interesting characters i.e., the sheriff Allyn Joslyn, and the **** hound handler Houseley Stevenson who are actually more interesting than the leads. Night of the Hunter traveling in the same holler is way better 6.5/10

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 03:00 PM

Hagen was very versatile. In another noir, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, Hagen played the good girl, while Arlene Dahl played the bad girl. (Not to quibble, but she was 75% Amish and 25% Jewish. That's to say, "ishes" coming out the kazoo.)

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 09:34 AM

I love Jean Hagen - I think she was fabulous in everything she did. She's the floozie with the heart of gold I was alluding to in *Side Street*. (Imagine you knew that.)

But did you know this: It's a little-known fact that Jean Hagen was Amish.

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 08:48 AM

I like SIDE STREET much better than THEY LIVE BY NIGHT, and I think most of my Amish community agrees with me. (I think Jean Hagen does a terrific turn in this film).

Edited by: finance on May 25, 2011 9:48 AM

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 02:25 AM

Well, one person's anemic is another person's coldblooded. :)

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 08:21 PM

"On the other hand"... *Where Danger Lives* was a huge disappointment. Robert Mitchum has got to be one of noir's noirest ( made-up wprd alert ) actors, I'm an ardent fan of Mitch's, plus the great Claude Rains graces this one, although not for very long. With these two in the picture, how can it go wrong? But it does.
It's curiously lacking in energy.Yes, could be that Mitch in a concussed stupor for two thirds of the film contributes to this lassitude, but perhaps with another director or even another story altogether this might have worked. Dominique whatshername doesn't add much - I've heard she was a "protegee" ( aka trollop/tart/floozie) of Howard Hughes, and that's how she got the role.

The entire movie falls flat ( IMHO, of course). Even the little things I usually love about film noir, ie, cigarette smoke, rain, slinkiness, darkness, an uneasy atmosphere that doesn't know whether it's foreboding or anticipation, are either absent or half-hearted in this anemic flick.

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