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#1 jamesjazzguitar

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

I've probably made this case before.  As a frequent poster on some other forums, I am completely used to seeing the page numbers of each thread on the index page, and just clicking on the very last page number.  That is just the first thing I normally do, on any board.  I have to consciously reverse that thinking process just for this board.  Not a problem, and I am not complaining.  It is just out of the ordinary.

 

For me it is the exact opposite 'issue';   E.g. The Jazz Guitar Forum;   If one just clicks directly on the link to a thread (listed under a sub-forum),  one is taken to the oldest post.   To get to the newest (and therefore unread) posts,  one has to click 'last'.   But this 'last' option is only available when a thread has over a certain number of post.

 

So when I'm in the Jazz forum I have to remember to click 'last'  instead of just clicking on the link to the thread AND if it is a thread with only a few post  I have to scroll down to the newer ones.

 

I know I'm in the minority,  but I like how this TCM site works better than the Jazz forum (which appears to be the more common way).



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:02 PM

This site is designed for frequent users.   E.g. if one comes here 2 - 4 times per day,  one wouldn't want to be taken to all of the old threads,  each and every time  (some threads have thousands of post).

 

Since I'm a frequent users I use the 'view new content' feature which only shows me post I have NOT yet read and the button that takes me to the oldest unread post.   

 

BUT,  there should be an option that allows users to always go to the oldest posts,  read or not,  each time they enter.

 

I've probably made this case before.  As a frequent poster on some other forums, I am completely used to seeing the page numbers of each thread on the index page, and just clicking on the very last page number.  That is just the first thing I normally do, on any board.  I have to consciously reverse that thinking process just for this board.  Not a problem, and I am not complaining.  It is just out of the ordinary.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:02 PM

I just came back to have a look after giving up on this two years ago, and I still can't believe it. Where the lie shows through is the fact that post numbers don't stay the same--you can't refer to "see post #x" unless a thread is closed or never has a new post.

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

You shouldn't take posts here that seriously, though I have raised an eyebrow over that too.

 

The ordering problem with post numbers here is probably due to one of two things.  Either they went into the server-side PHP code and did an incomplete job of hacking it themselves, or else the reversed thread order is a non-default option that gets used so rarely that none of the developers of "IP Board 3.4.5" ever thought to finish it by that release.


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:11 PM

It's been almost three years and I still officially hate it

 

I just came back to have a look after giving up on this two years ago, and I still can't believe it. Where the lie shows through is the fact that post numbers don't stay the same--you can't refer to "see post #x" unless a thread is closed or never has a new post.

 

Absolutely ridiculous.



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Posted 07 February 2017 - 04:33 PM

So you're telling me that in order to read a thread, I have to go to the last page, scroll to the bottom, and then work my way backwards from bottom to top? Are you kidding me?!

 

I'm a brand new member and was really excited about these boards (especially since IMDb boards will be deleted soon - TCM looked very promising as a long-term solution), but I don't think I can get used to this.

 

22 years on the internet and I've never seen a website with newest-to-oldest threads with no option to switch it.

 

This site is designed for frequent users.   E.g. if one comes here 2 - 4 times per day,  one wouldn't want to be taken to all of the old threads,  each and every time  (some threads have thousands of post).

 

Since I'm a frequent users I use the 'view new content' feature which only shows me post I have NOT yet read and the button that takes me to the oldest unread post.   

 

BUT,  there should be an option that allows users to always go to the oldest posts,  read or not,  each time they enter.



#6 Richard Kimble

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 04:22 PM

How do you know this? Did you take a poll?

 

This is the only board I've ever frequented where newest-post-first is not only the default option, but the only option.

 

IMDb, Free Republic, Democratic Underground, FlyerTalk (1.3 million threads), Digital Spy (1.7 million threads), City Data (1.7 million threads), Bodybuilding.com (5.7 million threads) are all oldest-post first.

 

It's been almost three years and I still officially hate it


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 03:50 PM

So you're telling me that in order to read a thread, I have to go to the last page, scroll to the bottom, and then work my way backwards from bottom to top? Are you kidding me?!

 

I'm a brand new member and was really excited about these boards (especially since IMDb boards will be deleted soon - TCM looked very promising as a long-term solution), but I don't think I can get used to this.

 

22 years on the internet and I've never seen a website with newest-to-oldest threads with no option to switch it.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 11:48 AM

This is the only message board I read that lists the posts the way they do.  Makes no sense to me, but I guess I'm just used to posts being listed in chronological order.  There definitely should be an option in your settings to pick which way to display content...


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Posted 24 December 2016 - 11:38 PM

I'm actually ok with it either way, but why are the posts numbered so that the newest post is #1 instead of the oldest? That makes no sense at all.

 

Base software package not complete enough to invoke reverse-thread option, but doing it anyway.


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Posted 12 November 2016 - 12:45 PM

I'm actually ok with it either way, but why are the posts numbered so that the newest post is #1 instead of the oldest? That makes no sense at all.



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Posted 09 September 2016 - 12:53 PM

Several other boards I frequent were like this board when I joined - Newest First. Several of us requested an option be added to invert the listings and a short time later a new menu appeared offering oldest or newest first. This appeared to be an easily added feature. 

 

One board is unique in that before you sign-in the posts are listed oldest first. When you sign-in they invert to newest first. They're also one of the boards that added the option, if you should decide to switch after sign-in.

 

I'm used to this board's newest first. 


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Posted 09 September 2016 - 05:26 AM

A now banned poster said:

Either the powers that be do not understand the request put forth here, or they don't understand how forums like this are supposed to work, and/or they don't visit other forums.  

 

The statement above (now below) about "the majority of boards" is clearly false to anyone familiar with this.

 

Agreed. 

Just like the spam issue, creating a "setting" to view last post first is fairly simple.

 

It makes it VERY EASY for the user to read all the postings if they choose, or to just click on the "last page" if they've already read the previous, older posts.

 

All other message boards are set up this way so the user isn't making a comment that had already been made 3 pages ago.

 

But this message board designer can't even figure out how to thwart spam! Oy! I'm back in the 90's!


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 12:45 PM

How about a simple button (that applies to the entire thread) that allows the viewer (at their discretion) to choose to read the posts in either "ascending" or "descending" chronological order?

Some websites have implemented this option which appears to make this issue become a non-concern.

 

I agree.  Such an option could be part of 'settings' so one only needs to set up how they want it once.

 

I actually like the way it works now (using the 'view new content' feature),  but most appear to want it to work the opposite way so they should have that choice.


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 11:57 AM

Hello - I wanted to get back to you on this.  Unfortunately, the majority of boards and posters prefer the most recent post listed first in discussions.  We'll look at a possible option to add a link to the original post to help, but for now, we'll need to stick to this convention.  Thanks for the inquiry though. 

How about a simple button (that applies to the entire thread) that allows the viewer (at their discretion) to choose to read the posts in either "ascending" or "descending" chronological order?

Some websites have implemented this option which appears to make this issue become a non-concern.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 08:04 AM

 Plus the layout of the boards are very busy but that's another topic.

 

I don't understand what is meant by your statement. Are you saying the design of the boards looks too cluttered? Or that the boards are busy due to frequent activity of the individual posters..?


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 04:24 AM

I'll be frank.  I haven't posted to these forums in over a year and at best I've been a spotty vistor.  Years ago I had this same issue with the boards and I contacted technical support who told me they understood the isse.  A bit later an option was added to allow members the option of viewing the board in the "tradtional" order i.e. oldest to newest.  I log in now after everything has been "updated" and reset or whatever and this option is gone.  I don't get it.  Plus the layout of the boards are very busy but that's another topic.

 

I'm kind of disappointed and suprised quite frankly, who runs this place anyway?


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Posted 16 November 2015 - 12:47 PM

I am a new member of this forum, and frankly, it is very very weird to have the post order backwards, with the newest post listed as #1 on the first page, and the original post as the last one on the last page, with the reader required to go to the last page in the thread and scroll backwards to follow the discussion.  I was very confused when I came to this forum today, took a little bit to figure out how the setup went, especially since the posts are numbered backwards as well, with the newest post numbered #1.

 

That's just deeply odd.  Pretty much every other message board or comment thread I have ever read starts with the oldest post first, and has the reader scroll down to go to the next post.  In English, and if I'm not mistaken just about every other Indo-European language, you start reading at the top of a page and then go to the bottom.  But on this forum you have to go backwards, from the bottom of the page to the top, and you have to change direction constantly, going from top to bottom to read each individual post and then having to scroll the other direction, up, to go to the next post.

 

Standard forum setup usually has an arrow or some kind of marker that takes you to the oldest unread post.  And then you scroll down, as people have been doing since putting quill to papyrus thousands of years ago.

 

I thought that there must be some sort of setting for me to change to put the posts in the correct order, and was mystified when I couldn't find any.  Weird.

 

Yes, odd, noted,  told to the moderators and others that run this site.    Not going to change.

 

Use the '*' feature next to a thread and it will take you to the last (oldest) unread post.   



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Posted 15 November 2015 - 07:22 PM

I am a new member of this forum, and frankly, it is very very weird to have the post order backwards, with the newest post listed as #1 on the first page, and the original post as the last one on the last page, with the reader required to go to the last page in the thread and scroll backwards to follow the discussion.  I was very confused when I came to this forum today, took a little bit to figure out how the setup went, especially since the posts are numbered backwards as well, with the newest post numbered #1.

 

That's just deeply odd.  Pretty much every other message board or comment thread I have ever read starts with the oldest post first, and has the reader scroll down to go to the next post.  In English, and if I'm not mistaken just about every other Indo-European language, you start reading at the top of a page and then go to the bottom.  But on this forum you have to go backwards, from the bottom of the page to the top, and you have to change direction constantly, going from top to bottom to read each individual post and then having to scroll the other direction, up, to go to the next post.

 

Standard forum setup usually has an arrow or some kind of marker that takes you to the oldest unread post.  And then you scroll down, as people have been doing since putting quill to papyrus thousands of years ago.

 

I thought that there must be some sort of setting for me to change to put the posts in the correct order, and was mystified when I couldn't find any.  Weird.


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 05:57 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the forum does indeed have such a system. If you want to go straight to the last unread post, all you have to do is click on the circle (or star if you've posted in the topic) to the left of the topic's title.

 

Yes, it takes you to the newest post you haven't read. Indeed it does. But, that's where the 'fun' begins, because IN ALL OTHER MESSAGE BOARDS I FREQUENT, you would then scroll DOWN, to read all of the posts you haven't yet read. And if there were more unread posts, you would go to the next 'page' of messages, in sequential order (From Page 3 to Page 4, etc.).

 

But here, you would start at the last unread message, and scroll UP. And then, if there was another page of unread messages, that would take you to "Page 1". where I assume you would be required to scroll to the bottom of the 'page', to continue reading the messages in sequential order. The latest post should logically be the highest post #. And, the first post of a thread, should logically be the #1 post. What a "backward" system indeed!!! 


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 02:26 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the forum does indeed have such a system. If you want to go straight to the last unread post, all you have to do is click on the circle (or star if you've posted in the topic) to the left of the topic's title.

 

THANKS:   I have been using the redesigned forum since it started and didn't know about that.   I always use the 'view new content' feature but then I just click on the tread instead of the star.   






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