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#21 TomWood

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 11:33 AM

I understand what you're saying and it is very logical. This is why I feel the system should take one to the last unread post, per thread. Using your two examples, if one is engaged in an active 'chat' with someone, the last unread post would be the latest (or one of the latest).

But if one goes to a thread they have never been to before it would take them to he oldest (first) post.

Note that the system does have a database that keeps a user profile history (since there is the 'view new thread' feature), so the above change wouldn't be that difficult to program.

This change is something I have been pushing for since the re-launching of this forum last year.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the forum does indeed have such a system. If you want to go straight to the last unread post, all you have to do is click on the circle (or star if you've posted in the topic) to the left of the topic's title.
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Posted 14 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

When I go to any of the many forums that I visit, I always want to see the latest post ---- from the point where I last posted, or last read up to.

 

If I am going to a new thread, then, since I haven't read any of the posts, then the logical place to begin would be at the oldest post.

 

But, by default, as it is with this board, to start reading backwards from the newest post to the oldest post is not rational.

 

One post leads to another, so why you like to swin 'upstream' is only known to you.

 

Most members here are not 'salmon'. Most members here prefer to swim with the current, wherever they happen to jump in.

 

I understand what you're saying and it is very logical.    This is why I feel the system should take one to the last unread post, per thread.   Using your two examples,  if one is engaged in an active 'chat' with someone,  the last unread post would be the latest (or one of the latest).

 

But if one goes to a thread they have never been to before it would take them to he oldest (first) post.  

 

Note that the system does have a database that keeps a user profile history (since there is the 'view new thread' feature),  so the above change wouldn't be that difficult to program.

 

This change is something I have been pushing for since the re-launching  of this forum last year.



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 08:50 PM

Thanks for the tip,  but I always use the 'View New Content' feature.   But I wish that once I clicked on a tread with 'unread' posts, this feature would than take me to the last unread post per thread instead of just to the newest (latest) post per thread.  

 

Yes, I know I'm in the minority,  and I even made a joke that I must like things backwards.   

 

I admit I still don't understand why anyone would wish to initially go to, say, post #200, created years ago, instead of going to post #1 created 5 minutes ago,  and from there scrolling down (or up) to the next latest post.

 

But note that the moderator is the one that said they are NOT going to change.  This isn't because they agree with me.   I only wish I had that much power over the moderators that run this site!

 

When I go to any of the many forums that I visit, I always want to see the latest post ---- from the point where I last posted, or last read up to.

 

If I am going to a new thread, then, since I haven't read any of the posts, then the logical place to begin would be at the oldest post.

 

But, by default, as it is with this board, to start reading backwards from the newest post to the oldest post is not rational.

 

One post leads to another, so why you like to swin 'upstream' is only known to you.

 

Most members here are not 'salmon'. Most members here prefer to swim with the current, wherever they happen to jump in.


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#24 jamesjazzguitar

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 02:41 PM

There is a button at the top of every page called "View New Content" that does just that. Use that button to do just what you want it to do and let the forums sort chronologically so that everyone else can be happy. You are clearly in the minority on this topic but you make your point after every post to the contrary. We get it. You like things backwards but fail to recognize that the world sees it the other way.

 

Thanks for the tip,  but I always use the 'View New Content' feature.   But I wish that once I clicked on a tread with 'unread' posts, this feature would than take me to the last unread post per thread instead of just to the newest (latest) post per thread.  

 

Yes, I know I'm in the minority,  and I even made a joke that I must like things backwards.   

 

I admit I still don't understand why anyone would wish to initially go to, say, post #200, created years ago, instead of going to post #1 created 5 minutes ago,  and from there scrolling down (or up) to the next latest post.

 

But note that the moderator is the one that said they are NOT going to change.  This isn't because they agree with me.   I only wish I had that much power over the moderators that run this site!



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 07:52 PM

I just wish that the system would take me to the last read post, per forum.    From there it doesn't matter to me if I have to go up or down to read threads in order from oldest unread to newest unread.           

 

There is a button at the top of every page called "View New Content" that does just that. Use that button to do just what you want it to do and let the forums sort chronologically so that everyone else can be happy. You are clearly in the minority on this topic but you make your point after every post to the contrary. We get it. You like things backwards but fail to recognize that the world sees it the other way.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:59 PM

Sure we did. It's much more flowing for the end of each post to lead into the beginning of the post made after it. One click can take you to the beginning or end of a thread, no problem, but it's the convenience of scrolling that is being interrupted.

 

On IMDb they have a button with an uppy-arrow and a downy-arrow that changes the direction things are listed. One of these could really do wonders around here.

 

I agree that there should be an option like that 'uppy-arrow' you mention.   This way each user could control how they want the post to display.  While I still don't see the so called issue with the 'much more flowing' point,  at least you mention why you would like threads ordered in the opposite way they are now.     But yea,  my mom is from Japan and I learned to read Right to Left so maybe that is why I'm upside down on this issue!  :lol:

 

I just wish that the system would take me to the last read post, per forum.    From there it doesn't matter to me if I have to go up or down to read threads in order from oldest unread to newest unread.           



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:47 PM

Why do you come here, if not to read post and why do you wish to see post you have already read displayed first?     Sorry I just don't see the logic there and no one that has complained has explained why they wish to see 'old' post first.

 

Sure we did. It's much more flowing for the end of each post to lead into the beginning of the post made after it. One click can take you to the beginning or end of a thread, no problem, but it's the convenience of scrolling that is being interrupted.

 

On IMDb they have a button with an uppy-arrow and a downy-arrow that changes the direction things are listed. One of these could really do wonders around here.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:53 PM

I think you fail to realize that there is a reason that the posts are numbered in the first place and by displaying them in this way defeats that purpose. I like to have my mail displayed newest first but this is not a mail reader. It appears that you don't have much experience with forums or forum software.

 

Deaf ears, I suppose.

 

No need to get nasty.    I come here to read post that I have NOT read before.    This is why I like the fact the newest post are displayed first.    So for my purposes this is a 'mail reader'.

 

Why do you come here, if not to read post and why do you wish to see post you have already read displayed first?     Sorry I just don't see the logic there and no one that has complained has explained why they wish to see 'old' post first.



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:48 PM

I think you fail to realize that there is a reason that the posts are numbered in the first place and by displaying them in this way defeats that purpose. I like to have my mail displayed newest first but this is not a mail reader. It appears that you don't have much experience with forums or forum software.

 

Deaf ears, I suppose.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:22 AM

It's not just what order you want to see posts in. It's how posts are numbered. The post number should be tied to the post and not change. As it is, the post number changes as new posts are made. This makes referring to posts by post number useless.

 

The "View New Content" button in the bar above is what should be used to quickly see new posts that have been added since you last viewed the topic.

 

Yes,  the numbering changes.   Therefore if one wish to refer to a prior post,  the best option is the 'quote' feature.   Note that one can edit out what is in the 'quote'.   This is useful when quoting real long post or those with pictures \ links (e.g. I 'cut' out pictures since they are redundant).



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 09:20 AM

It's not just what order you want to see posts in. It's how posts are numbered. The post number should be tied to the post and not change. As it is, the post number changes as new posts are made. This makes referring to posts by post number useless.

 

The "View New Content" button in the bar above is what should be used to quickly see new posts that have been added since you last viewed the topic.


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Norma Desmod: I *am* big. It's the *pictures* that got small.

 


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 06:01 PM

Great, my first post here (which does not bode well) is to say that TCMModerator3 is on crack.  Either the powers that be do not understand the request put forth here, or they don't understand how forums like this are supposed to work (I think there must be confusion about forums vs. comments), and/or they don't visit other forums.  The statement above about "the majority of boards" is clearly false to anyone familiar with this.

 

I predict I will have a very short life in the TCM Forums.

 

And that's unfortunate.

 

I'm one of those users that like to see the latest (most recent) post FIRST,  followed by subsequent post (ordered by when they were created).      i.e. I like the current way posts are displayed.

 

Why would you rather see the oldest post FIRST?     For frequent users like myself I just wish to see post I have NOT read yet.   This is why I use the 'view new content' feature.    This feature shows only those forums that have content NOT read by the user and takes one right to the most recent unread post per thread.



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Posted 04 June 2015 - 05:53 PM

Unfortunately, the majority of boards and posters prefer the most recent post listed first in discussions.  We'll look at a possible option to add a link to the original post to help, but for now, we'll need to stick to this convention.

 

Great, my first post here (which does not bode well) is to say that TCMModerator3 is on crack.  Either the powers that be do not understand the request put forth here, or they don't understand how forums like this are supposed to work (I think there must be confusion about forums vs. comments), and/or they don't visit other forums.  The statement above about "the majority of boards" is clearly false to anyone familiar with this.

 

I predict I will have a very short life in the TCM Forums.

 

And that's unfortunate.


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Posted 02 June 2015 - 02:12 PM

For me the issue has less to do with scrolling efficiency or whatever and more to do with reading and eye movement. I (and probably many others) like reading the content of a topic from top to bottom not bottom to top -- it just flows better that way probably because all you have to do is read from left to right and continue downwards. Whereas with the current post order, you read from left to right, down, and then go up past the post you just got done reading to get to the next post. To me, that's inefficient and clunky.
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Posted 10 May 2015 - 12:47 PM

No, no option. Guess they figure it's not worth bothering with.

 

My goodness....it shouldn't be so difficult to FIX. After all, post #1 SHOULD be post #1. This post, which will be the seventeenth post in this thread, will become #1.

DUMB.

 

As Valentine said: "If you want to refer back to an old post, its number never changes, so you can find it."

 

That's reason enough to tell you this current set up is wrong.

 

Again,  I don't feel the current way is dumb at all.    Really,  you would rather see the 16 post you have already read just to get to the latest one you haven't read?   Sorry but to me that is way less useful and logical than showing the most recent unread post first.   (especially for threads that have 50,  100,  200 post).

 

But how it should really work is that when one uses the 'view new content' option (which I use 100% of the time),  and click on a sub-category forum,  the system takes one to the oldest unread post.     Using your example,  if the last unread post was #14,  it would take me to that post and then, #15, #16 and #17 would be above #14.   Again,  why would one wish to go first to posts they already have read and have to scroll,  either up or down,  to get to the first unread post?  

 

Isn't the main objective in coming here to read posts one has never read before?  



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Posted 10 May 2015 - 05:22 AM

No, no option. Guess they figure it's not worth bothering with.

 

My goodness....it shouldn't be so difficult to FIX. After all, post #1 SHOULD be post #1. This post, which will be the seventeenth post in this thread, will become #1.

DUMB.

 

As Valentine said: "If you want to refer back to an old post, its number never changes, so you can find it."

 

That's reason enough to tell you this current set up is wrong.


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Posted 03 May 2015 - 01:43 PM

Since I just joined because I'm going crazy not being able to use WatchTCM on my laptop due to what is apparently an xauth timeout between TCM and Xfinity, I thought I would browse the forums and maybe chat a bit, now that I've found them.

 

But it's SUPER CONFUSING that all the threads are reverse chronological, so that I have to scroll and click back just to figure out what anyone's talking about, or to see the original question/topic.

 

Is there a way to change this so that when I click on a thread title, the first post on the page is ALSO the first post in the thread??

 

To be quite honest, these streaming issues and now forum issues + lack of visible/helpful support (it took me 3 weeks to figure out a google search that even brought up the relevent support thread here, and I'm not a newbie) is really making me lose faith and goodwill towards TCM.

 

(In fact, it's all so confusing that when I went back to the Support forum I originally found, I didn't realize the TCM Forum itself had a different section for support issues...)

 

No option yet for a user to select if the order of the post.    I actual like the way it is but either way there should be an option so each user can select how they want it.


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Posted 02 May 2015 - 11:46 PM

Since I just joined because I'm going crazy not being able to use WatchTCM on my laptop due to what is apparently an xauth timeout between TCM and Xfinity, I thought I would browse the forums and maybe chat a bit, now that I've found them.

 

But it's SUPER CONFUSING that all the threads are reverse chronological, so that I have to scroll and click back just to figure out what anyone's talking about, or to see the original question/topic.

 

Is there a way to change this so that when I click on a thread title, the first post on the page is ALSO the first post in the thread??

 

To be quite honest, these streaming issues and now forum issues + lack of visible/helpful support (it took me 3 weeks to figure out a google search that even brought up the relevent support thread here, and I'm not a newbie) is really making me lose faith and goodwill towards TCM.

 

(In fact, it's all so confusing that when I went back to the Support forum I originally found, I didn't realize the TCM Forum itself had a different section for support issues...)


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 06:07 PM

Another vote for oldest posts first here.

 

I frequent many forums, and this is the only one that works this way.  It is discombobulating, and it ought to tell us something that the standard way is to read in chronological order.

 

All the standard BBN software has a feature to jump you to the first unread post in the thread (based on your individual posting identity).

 

It's much, much better.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

I find it hard to believe that most prefer the newest post be the first one viewed. I also do the Broadway Message Board and there the oldest is the first one listed,and one scrolls DOWN to go in chronological order,as people READ THAT WAY! If one one wants to go to the latest post it's easy to go to that page.
It is so annoying on TCM trying to go to the oldest and then scrolling up. I was positive that this would be addressed with the new board fix up - boy was I disappointed!
Please consider making this an option.

 

Well I'm another one that prefers the newest post first.    But I agree that users should have the option to pick how they wish post to display.   






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