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#1 Vautrin

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Posted Yesterday, 10:15 PM

If the Falcons had stuck to basics in the second half instead of 

making a lot of dumb moves, the comeback would have fallen

short. But noooooooooooo.


Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get.


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Posted Yesterday, 08:51 PM

 

 

So my point was less about Belichick verses Brady and more about how a well run system with a great coach is more likely to lead to multiple SBs than having a great Q.B.

 

I would think another example of this would be the record setting "The Greatest Show of Turf" offense of Rams head coach Mike Marsh.

 

I mean, when you can take what was before being acquired by the Rams was pretty much a journeyman QB with limited foot speed, BUT with one of the quickest release arm motions ever(I'm talkin' Kurt Warner here of course), and which perfectly plays into a timing and spot location type pass offense, you end up winning a Super Bowl and ALMOST win another one, IF you're not out-coached in your second SB appearance by guess who?

 

Yep, Bill Belichick.

 

Yep, the Rams should have beaten the Pats in SB XXXVI, but Marsh got out-coached by Belichick when Belichick's game plan was primarily geared to stop the pass at the expense of stopping the run. But, Marsh failed to later adjust his game plan and switch to more a running game, AND a running game featuring the great Marshall Faulk and of which the FEW times the Rams went with it in that game was shown to be very effective. And YET inexplicably, Marsh primarily continued on with his pass offense throughout the game, and thus the result being totally out-coached and thus losing a game the Rams SHOULD have won.

 

(...and while I know this sounds a lot like "Monday morning quarterbacking" here, you should have HEARD me yelling at the TV set I was watching that game on, and yelling at Marsh in particular to switch to more a running game)



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Posted Yesterday, 06:57 PM

James, you say you don't agree with Dungy but then comment along the lines of what he said (which I agree with.) But I agree there is some sour grapes there (with Dungy). There is something unholy about the Belichick-Brady connection. They're kind of freaky.

 

I see where my post was confusing.   Belichick might have been slightly less successful without Brady (the key being slightly less),  while I believe Brady would have been a lot less successful.

 

A comparison to the Belichick system is the 49ers during the Bill Walsh era.    Yea, Seifert took over as coach but the 1989 SB win was with Walsh's team and the 1994 SB win was with Steve Young,  who Walsh drafted, and using the Walsh west-coast-offence.     The 81, 84 and 88 wins were under Walsh.      Ok,  Montana had a lot to do with those wins (like Brady did),  but I say the head coaches and front offices were more of the reason.

 

Also,  look at all the great Q.B. that never won a SB (Marino) or the ones,  like Elway,  who didn't win until very late in his career.

 

So my point was less about Belichick verses Brady and more about how a well run system with a great coach is more likely to lead to multiple SBs than having a great Q.B.


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Posted Yesterday, 06:45 PM

He has some notable failures as well in those instances when he stupidly goes for it. If he makes it they call him a genius, if he fails they say gosh how could someone that smart do something so stupid.

 

True, to some extent I suppose.

 

But, I still love his unconventional play-calling, as his success-to-failure rate is pretty darn hard to argue against, and especially considering his overall success in the sport itself.

 

(...oh and btw...I've also noticed that the success rate of his halftime strategy changes have seemed far greater than almost any other coach's ever too...and witnessed yet again by that unbelievable comeback victory in the last Super Bowl)



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Posted Yesterday, 06:26 PM

He has some notable failures as well in those instances when he stupidly goes for it. If he makes it they call him a genius, if he fails they say gosh how could someone that smart do something so stupid.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:18 PM

I believe I've said this before around here, but I became a Belichick devote years ago and after noticing he was just about the only coach who seemed to have both the smarts and the guts to call the following plays:

 

His team might be just past midfield and its fourth and one, but Belichick doesn't punt, he goes for the first down and in almost all cases they succeed in getting a new series of downs, and with Brady being one of the best ever at the QB sneak or draw play.

 

Belichick's team has just gotten either eight or nine yards on first down, and then instead of calling for a running play on second down to secure a first down like almost all other coaches did and still do, he surprises the other team's defense and calls for a play-action pass and which would often gain a lot more yardage and sometimes even a touchdown than would just a short up the gut run.



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Posted Yesterday, 05:33 PM

James, you say you don't agree with Dungy but then comment along the lines of what he said (which I agree with.) But I agree there is some sour grapes there (with Dungy). There is something unholy about the Belichick-Brady connection. They're kind of freaky.



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Posted Yesterday, 04:33 PM

"I don't think Bill Belichick would be Bill Belichick without Tom Brady, and Brady would not have the same success without Belichick and the way they have put that team together," Dungy said.

 

 

I don't agree with Dungy here (looks like a copout statement to me); Belichick would have found other Q.Bs. and while the odds are none would have been as good and consistent as Brady,   to me the team's success is driven much more by Belichick than Brady. 

 

While Brady would have been a starter at another team \ another system (duh),    there have been no other teams (GMs \ coaches) that operate as effectively as Belichick.      Brady would likely have won a SB or even two,  but he wouldn't have close to the success he has had under the Belichick system.      Some say Aaron Rogers is an overall better Q.B. than Brady:  but even if one believes Brady is slightly better,  Rogers doesn't have close to the success of Brady,  but I believe he would IF he was the Q.B. for Belichick. 

 

(but yea, I'm a Brady hater,  so I'm bias!).   :lol:



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Posted Yesterday, 03:44 PM

And they say cheaters never prosper.


Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:48 PM

"I don't think Bill Belichick would be Bill Belichick without Tom Brady, and Brady would not have the same success without Belichick and the way they have put that team together," Dungy said.

 

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This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. Isaac Newton  

 

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. President Ronald Reagan

 

In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.  Gen. Robert E. Lee

 

The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.   Jefferson Davis
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur 

A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. President Ronald Reagan

 

In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.  Gen. Robert E. Lee

 

The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.   Jefferson Davis
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur 

A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. Isaac Newton  

 

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. President Ronald Reagan

 

In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.  Gen. Robert E. Lee

 

The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.   Jefferson Davis
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur 

A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. Isaac Newton  

 

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. President Ronald Reagan

 

In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.  Gen. Robert E. Lee

 

The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.   Jefferson Davis
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur 

A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. Isaac Newton  

 

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. President Ronald Reagan

 

In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.  Gen. Robert E. Lee

 

The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.   Jefferson Davis
 
Movies are written in sand: applauded today, forgotten tomorrow. D.W Griffith
 
I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth. Steve McQueen
 
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
 
Perfect freedom has no existence. The grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Ben Hur 

A man's got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job. The Immortal John Wayne


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 02:25 AM

Saaay, btw Jake!

 

How 'bout them Dodgers, HUH?!

 

(...that L.A. team is lookin' mighty formidable right now, wouldn't ya say?!...best record in all of baseball, ya know)

 

The Dodgers are 28-4 since June 6. Beyond formidable. How about insuperable!

 

If Kershaw can win his next five decisions, he will have a lifetime winning percentage of .700.

 

The Yankees are 8-19 since June 12, when they were solidly in first place.



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 12:03 AM

Saaay, btw Jake!

 

How 'bout them Dodgers, HUH?!

 

(...that L.A. team is lookin' mighty formidable right now, wouldn't ya say?!...best record in all of baseball, ya know)



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 11:47 PM

 

 

Tell him 'em John and have a Bud on me...

 

Really, Jake?!

 

You think that guy needs an even BIGGER beer-gut than he already has NOW???

 

Oh sorry, I forgot. Down YOUR way Daly would probably be considered somewhat "svelte", huh...

 

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(...never mind then)






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