We're excited to present a great new set of boards to classic movie fans with tons of new features, stability, and performance.

If you’re new to the message boards, please “Register” to get started. If you want to learn more about the new boards, visit our FAQ.

Register

If you're a returning member, start by resetting your password to claim your old display name using your email address.

Re-Register

Thanks for your continued support of the TCM Message Boards.

X

Kyle Kersten was a true friend of TCM. One of the first and most active participants of the Message Boards, “Kyle in Hollywood” (aka, hlywdkjk) demonstrated a depth of knowledge and largesse of spirit that made him one of the most popular and respected voices in these forums. This thread is a living memorial to his life and love of movies, which remain with us still.

X

Jump to content


Photo

Ultimate GEORGE SANDERS thread


  • Please log in to reply
591 replies to this topic

#541 jamesjazzguitar

jamesjazzguitar

    There is nothing as bad as something not so bad

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,790 posts
  • LocationCalifornia

Posted 11 April 2015 - 11:10 AM

TCM seems to have a lot of its programming patterned a certain way. I am sure they will not rock the boat too much, so to speak. I am glad they began featuring some well-deserving character actors and actresses in August the past few years...and I hope the trend continues. As I said in the previous post, Eve Arden is definitely a worthy candidate for a day-long tribute.

 

Well first it just isn't true that this list of actors is overlooked by the programmers (as in TCM rarely shows movies with these actors):

 

James Gleason

Mary Wickes

Frank McHugh

Edward Everett Horton

Eric Blore

Monty Wooley

Roland Young

Thelma Ritter

Eve Arden

 

TCM shows movies all the time with these actors.    One basic reason is that many of them were Warner or MGM contract players and \ or actors that were in many films from other studios TCM tends to feature.      

 

What is true is that TCM rarely holds a tribute for supporting players.   Yea, it would be nice if TCM did that (e.g. SUTS featuring only supporting players would be great),  but the reality is that these actors are feature more than say,  Susan Hayward since the majority of her films were for 20th Century Fox, a  studio TCM doesn't feature. 



#542 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 11 April 2015 - 10:41 AM

Well then let us lobby for a Character under the Stars tribute, say November, that usually is a dull enough month, or maybe March when there isn't much else going on.   Anything so I don't have to see the "usual suspects" in August.

TCM seems to have a lot of its programming patterned a certain way. I am sure they will not rock the boat too much, so to speak. I am glad they began featuring some well-deserving character actors and actresses in August the past few years...and I hope the trend continues. As I said in the previous post, Eve Arden is definitely a worthy candidate for a day-long tribute.


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#543 Emily Dean

Emily Dean

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 672 posts
  • LocationKansas

Posted 11 April 2015 - 09:51 AM

Eve Arden would be a perfect choice for a Summer Under the Stars tribute. Thelma Ritter was honored last August.

Well then let us lobby for a Character under the Stars tribute, say November, that usually is a dull enough month, or maybe March when there isn't much else going on.   Anything so I don't have to see the "usual suspects" in August.



#544 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 11 April 2015 - 09:39 AM

I am again commenting on this post to keep it in the front of the numerous bloggers and TCM followers so that it will not be buried.  I sincerely hope the TCM staff charged with maintaining this pile of information stay tuned to our various topics and take the front runners to the "deciders" at TCM.

 

So keep on kvetching for George and those other unsung stars so sorely overlooked by the programmers:

 

James Gleason

Mary Wickes

Frank McHugh

Edward Everett Horton

Eric Blore

Monty Wooley

Roland Young

Thelma Ritter

and my all time favourite:  EVE ARDEN

 

If we are ever sucessful in getting George as a SOTM then I am going to begin to lobby for an EVE ARDEN SOTM.

 

I may even be so bold as to start a topic...Character Actor of the Month (COTM).

Eve Arden would be a perfect choice for a Summer Under the Stars tribute. Thelma Ritter was honored last August.


  • lydecker likes this

"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#545 Emily Dean

Emily Dean

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 672 posts
  • LocationKansas

Posted 11 April 2015 - 09:30 AM

I am again commenting on this post to keep it in the front of the numerous bloggers and TCM followers so that it will not be buried.  I sincerely hope the TCM staff charged with maintaining this pile of information stay tuned to our various topics and take the front runners to the "deciders" at TCM.

 

So keep on kvetching for George and those other unsung stars so sorely overlooked by the programmers:

 

James Gleason

Mary Wickes

Frank McHugh

Edward Everett Horton

Eric Blore

Monty Wooley

Roland Young

Thelma Ritter

and my all time favourite:  EVE ARDEN

 

If we are ever sucessful in getting George as a SOTM then I am going to begin to lobby for an EVE ARDEN SOTM.

 

I may even be so bold as to start a topic...Character Actor of the Month (COTM).


  • AndyM108 and TopBilled like this

#546 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 08 April 2015 - 01:14 PM

Please, Please OH TCM programmers make this be true.  I have waited so long for a George Sanders month to recognize the actor who is able to epitomize the term "Cad" just by walking into a room.  Here's hoping with fingers crossed. 

Like this item. :)


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#547 Emily Dean

Emily Dean

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 672 posts
  • LocationKansas

Posted 08 April 2015 - 12:42 PM

Please, Please OH TCM programmers make this be true.  I have waited so long for a George Sanders month to recognize the actor who is able to epitomize the term "Cad" just by walking into a room.  Here's hoping with fingers crossed. 


  • lydecker and TopBilled like this

#548 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:20 AM

I hear you.  And what is worse is that Quinn is also a SOTM repeater.  

It didn't hurt that Quinn's widow was able to help present the first evening of films. I don't have a problem with them choosing Quinn, but I think they could have used a few more of his pictures from outside studios. Especially THE BUCCANEER which he directed at Paramount under the supervision of his father-in-law Cecil DeMille. I don't understand how a major 100th birthday tribute can occur without that, because it was a milestone, a big turning point in Quinn's Hollywood career.


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#549 lydecker

lydecker

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,306 posts
  • LocationPittsburgh, PA

Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:59 AM

 

All I'm saying is that there've been worse choices than Hayden.  Anthony Quinn, for one, although I understand that 100th birthday babies will always get an extra noodge.

 

 

I hear you.  And what is worse is that Quinn is also a SOTM repeater.  



#550 AndyM108

AndyM108

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,195 posts
  • LocationKensington, MD

Posted 08 April 2015 - 04:21 AM

I don't think there is any contest between George Sanders and Sterling Hayden.  Sanders should have been SOTM years before they got around to the likes of Sterling Hayden.  Of course, I am constantly amazed that they keep repeating SOTMs, sometimes as often as 3-4 times, when there are many worthy candidates they haven't even gotten around to yet  --  like George Sanders, like Joan Blondell.

 

Lydecker

 

I'm not questioning that Sanders would be the better choice.  In fact I've always said Sanders and Susan Hayward are the two most glaring omissions in the SOTM roster, unless you include foreign stars like Mifune or Gabin, who are in an entirely different category and would cost TCM a lot more dough* to honor. 

 

All I'm saying is that there've been worse choices than Hayden.  Anthony Quinn, for one, although I understand that 100th birthday babies will always get an extra noodge.

 

*As in "dough, and lots of it"



#551 Mr. Gorman

Mr. Gorman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,750 posts
  • Locationstate of GA

Posted 07 April 2015 - 10:08 PM

If George Sanders is selected as July's SOTM perhaps TCM will find some of his more obscure films to air.  There's no shortage of movies where George had a substantive part. 

 

     I believe his last released film was PSYCHOMANIA (1973-British), but I don't know if it was the last movie he filmed.  ENDLESS NIGHT and DOOMWATCH were both released in 1972 so it could have been one of those two. 

 

     I've seen DOOMWATCH one time but it's been so long I can't remember very much about it; I've never seen ENDLESS NIGHT. 

 

    PSYCHOMANIA is so weird it's hard to tell how good or bad it is.  I watched it less than a year ago and I need to watch it again cos I know I missed some of the weird stuff; there were so many offbeat scenes it was hard to keep track.  Hell, maybe the movie even makes sense.  It could have!  There's a frog that figures prominently in the plot.  I think it would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall when the makers of this film were discussing the script.  If anyone reading this has not seen "Psychomania" you owe it to yourself to watch this movie once!  Yow.   

 

     As for George Sanders 'tis a pity he got bored and killed himself.  I'd hate to think sometime in the future if I reach 65 I'd be so numb to life I'd want to take myself out. 


  • TopBilled likes this

#552 lydecker

lydecker

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,306 posts
  • LocationPittsburgh, PA

Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:44 PM

Sterling Hayden's a perfectly legit choice, but Sanders is the most blatantly overlooked star of them all.  Long career, great actor, splendid in a variety of roles.  So he wasn't ever a romantic lead, so what?

I don't think there is any contest between George Sanders and Sterling Hayden.  Sanders should have been SOTM years before they got around to the likes of Sterling Hayden.  Of course, I am constantly amazed that they keep repeating SOTMs, sometimes as often as 3-4 times, when there are many worthy candidates they haven't even gotten around to yet  --  like George Sanders, like Joan Blondell.

 

Lydecker


  • Arturo likes this

#553 jamesjazzguitar

jamesjazzguitar

    There is nothing as bad as something not so bad

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,790 posts
  • LocationCalifornia

Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:16 PM

Sterling Hayden's a perfectly legit choice, but Sanders is the most blatantly overlooked star of them all.  Long career, great actor, splendid in a variety of roles.  So he wasn't ever a romantic lead, so what?

 

Of course Sanders is a legit choice as was Hayden.    To me it is folly to assume TBTB have made an actual choice to reject Sanders as SOTM.    Instead what is far more likely is they just haven't gotten around to it.    But clearly it is long overdue.


  • TopBilled likes this

#554 AndyM108

AndyM108

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,195 posts
  • LocationKensington, MD

Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:08 PM

But they think Sterling Hayden is????

 

Lydecker

Sterling Hayden's a perfectly legit choice, but Sanders is the most blatantly overlooked star of them all.  Long career, great actor, splendid in a variety of roles.  So he wasn't ever a romantic lead, so what?


  • varla and lydecker like this

#555 lydecker

lydecker

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,306 posts
  • LocationPittsburgh, PA

Posted 07 April 2015 - 08:05 PM

Frankly, I'd be surprised if George ever was picked. I dont think TPTB consider him a big enough star...

But they think Sterling Hayden is????

 

Lydecker



#556 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:43 PM

I think we'll more likely see Sanders honored on August 1, kicking off Summer Under the Stars with that week's Essential THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR.

A strong possibility. Unless they are honoring Gene Tierney again.


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#557 Barton_Keyes

Barton_Keyes

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 610 posts
  • LocationLeamington, Ontario

Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:09 PM

I've been thinking about this topic, because we have not yet found out who will be honored in July.

 

Also, it occurred to me that with several of the selections so far this year (Ann Sothern, Sterling Hayden and Anthony Quinn), we have people who played leads but became more known for their work as character actors. So George Sanders would definitely fit in with that, if the trend continues...fingers crossed.

 

I think we'll more likely see Sanders honored on August 1, kicking off Summer Under the Stars with that week's Essential THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR.



#558 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:00 PM

I've been thinking about this topic, because we have not yet found out who will be honored in July.

 

Also, it occurred to me that with several of the selections so far this year (Ann Sothern, Sterling Hayden and Anthony Quinn), we have people who played leads but became more known for their work as character actors. So George Sanders would definitely fit in with that, if the trend continues...fingers crossed.


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#559 TopBilled

TopBilled

    Film Writing and Selected Journalism

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 37,891 posts

Posted 10 March 2015 - 10:05 AM

We still haven't learned what June's schedule will be...


"The truth? What good is the truth if it destroys us all..?" -- Mady Christians in ALL MY SONS (1948).


#560 Hibi

Hibi

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 20,981 posts
  • LocationOhio

Posted 09 February 2015 - 05:28 PM

Well I believe Emily created a straw man;  I don't recall anyone at this forum saying Sander wasn't a big enough or deserving star to be honored for SOTM.    

 

What was stated and is a fact,  is that Sanders wasn't the leading man in the highest quality movies in his film legacy (e.g. All About Eve,  Dorian Gray,  Rebecca,   Foreign Correspondent, etc... ).     

 

The movies where he was the leading man are not, per se,  'great' movies.      

 

BUT the above is why I believe TCM should honor him as SOTM since there are so many ways TCM could feature him.    e.g. one night of Sanders as the cad,   Sanders as the leading man,   Sanders in period films,   Sander in Noir and mystery films etc....  

 

There are not a lot of actors with a film legacy like Sanders and that makes for an interesting SOTM.   

 

 

We'll see if they ever come around..........I doubt it. SUTS, yes.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users