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#21 LornaHansonForbes

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Posted Yesterday, 12:59 PM

Just off the top o me head, she (STANWyCK) did NO MAN OF HER OWN (a favorite), THELMA JORDAN, THE FURIES, TITANIC, the two Sirk films, CRIME DU PASION...JEOPARDY...all in the 1950s

And some people like EXECUTIVE SUITE...

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Posted Yesterday, 10:30 AM

Most of Babs 50s films were produced by major studios and I wouldn't describe any as 'low budget type films'.

 

As for another 'star of her magnitude' that had a great run in the 50s;  How about Susan Hayward.   In fact I would say she had the greatest 'run' of any actress in the 50s  (but she did get her start in the late 30s,  not the early 30s like Davis,  Crawford, Babs, Hepburn,,, ). 

 

Yes, she did, but she really didnt reach star status until the late 40s. I really dont think of her as a 30s star. (unsure when her first credit was)



#23 LornaHansonForbes

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Posted Yesterday, 08:55 AM

LHForbes said: i would tear through there on the golf cart singing "FA LO LAH LAH LOH DEE" 

 

...and you were never pulled over? You mean crazy behaviour doesn't cause suspicion in CA?

 

(sorry, the image just struck me as funny - especially in a putting golf cart!)

 

it was on the studio lot; sometimes on paths for carts only.

 

it's not like i was cruising at 18 mph in a golf cart going down the side of the 101 and singing FA LO LAH LAH LO DEE (preferably when traffic was at a standstill), although if I ever do happen to have a complete break with reality whilst visiting Southern California again, I will TOTALLY GIVE THAT A SHOT and let you know how it works out.

 

(for reference BELOW; the FAH LO LAH FAH LO DEE song, aka the touching Theme from Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man)

 

good luck getting it out of your head for the rest of the day!

 

 

"for life is short, but death is long..."

 

eta: song officially starts at 1:22 in the clip, feel free to skip ahead, but be sure to stay for Chaney's reaction at the end.


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#24 TikiSoo

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Posted Yesterday, 06:25 AM

LHForbes said: i would tear through there on the golf cart singing "FA LO LAH LAH LOH DEE" 

 

...and you were never pulled over? You mean crazy behaviour doesn't cause suspicion in CA?

 

(sorry, the image just struck me as funny - especially in a putting golf cart!)



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:41 PM

I would fain see Pamela Tiffin play in anything.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:31 PM

It's great to hear to so many of my movie buddies liked All I Desire as much as I do. Directing, cinematography, Stanwyck, all terrific. In retrospect, she should have won an Oscar or at least an Oscar nomination.

 

I'll say this for Maggie McNamara: The Moon Is Blue was a big hit on Broadway, but it is hard to put oneself in the position of the 1950s playgoers who liked it so much. The script has not worn well, and although almost all the Preminger films I've seen from the 40s and 50s are well directed, this one isn't. It's more or less a filmed play, and not filmed very imaginatively. She's cute, she has acting ability, and she's not getting much help from the material. That's not to call it one of the top performances of the year, agreed. Still, if you've never appreciated Maggie McNamara's work in Three Coins in the Fountain, wait till you see Pamela Tiffin playing the same role in The Pleasure Seekers.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:38 PM

Since we are talking about Babs, since TCM has been showing most of her 50's work, I'm surprised at HOW GOOD her films were. Granted they were mostly low budget type films and probably didnt make that much money, but her roles are varied and she's always good and often better than the films themselves. All I Desire was a nice surprise. I almost didnt watch it when I saw it was a period piece, but I'm glad I did.

 

Cant think of any female star of her magnitude that had that great a run in the 50s. After Eve, Bette only had The Star and a few others. Crawford as well. Most 30s female stars pulled out in the 50s and turned to other mediums or retired. Babs kept going. There were few duds.

 

Most of Babs 50s films were produced by major studios and I wouldn't describe any as 'low budget type films'.

 

As for another 'star of her magnitude' that had a great run in the 50s;  How about Susan Hayward.   In fact I would say she had the greatest 'run' of any actress in the 50s  (but she did get her start in the late 30s,  not the early 30s like Davis,  Crawford, Babs, Hepburn,,, ). 



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 06:02 PM

yes!

 

PS- thanks for the correction . i am sorry for remembering wrong. i do that. often...although I've been pretty good recently! i got Zandor Vorkov's name right in another thread, so there's that...

 

would love to see ESTHER (nee' HOFFMAN...?) HOWARD as MRS. KRAFT from BORN TO KILL and GLADYS GEORGE as LUTE MAE from FLAMINGO ROAD in some sort of delightful, two-woman WAITING FOR GODOT-type thing; like THE GIN GAME with no cards, but lots of gin...

 

LOL!!! Now that would be fun............



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 03:29 PM

Since we are talking about Babs, since TCM has been showing most of her 50's work, I'm surprised at HOW GOOD her films were. Granted they were mostly low budget type films and probably didnt make that much money, but her roles are varied and she's always good and often better than the films themselves. All I Desire was a nice surprise. I almost didnt watch it when I saw it was a period piece, but I'm glad I did.

 

Cant think of any female star of her magnitude that had that great a run in the 50s. After Eve, Bette only had The Star and a few others. Crawford as well. Most 30s female stars pulled out in the 50s and turned to other mediums or retired. Babs kept going. There were few duds.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 03:22 PM

**Even Ava.

A nomination for IGUANA? Absolutely.

MOGAMBO???!

Are you high?!

 

 

LOL. It's been a long time since I've watched Mogambo, so I cant really say, but agree she deserved a supporting one for Iguana, but I guess Grayson Hall got more votes........Her role was one of those that could be considered supporting or lead, so that probably split votes for her.....(with votes split with Kerr as well).



#31 LornaHansonForbes

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:04 PM

**Even Ava.

A nomination for IGUANA? Absolutely.

MOGAMBO???!

Are you high?!



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:02 PM

Lorna and Hibi -

I still have access to Born to Kill, and as much as I can see Mrs. Kraft being in charge of such an establishment, it appears that she does not give explicit confirmation of same in the beginning of the film.  The only statement she really makes about her past is while discussing men with Helen and Laury.  Laury mentions how her new boyfriend (who turns out to be Lawrence Tierney) is “big across the shoulders,” and Mrs. Kraft says “I never knew a man like that. My two husbands was just turnips.” The scene continues just a bit longer before they switch to the casino locale where Helen first sees Sam at the craps table.

So unless “turnips” is a euphemism for “pimp” or something, Mrs. Kraft’s past is still a mystery.  She certainly does fit the bill, however, and even the boarding house scenes in the beginning look to me like they could be from a classic house of ill repute. Someone really should do a prequel where we find out how Mrs. Kraft learned to drink like that!

 

 

LOL. Mrs. Kraft, the prequel. Yeah, I can see that. Never heard turnips used that way, so who knows? :D


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:01 PM

1953 nominees for Best Actress:

 

Leslie Caron  Lili

Ava Gardner  Mogambo

Audrey Hepburn  Roman Holiday  [winner]

Deborah Kerr  From Here to Eternity

Maggie McNamara  The Moon is Blue

 

and i would say this is a weak list, although with the exception of Maggie McNamara, I like everyone on it and think them all capable of Oscar-level work- I just don't think anyone but Hepburn really deserved to be there for what they did that year.

 

there were a lot of GREAT performances by actresses in 1953, but they were in unconventional movies (and a few performances that bordered on supporting)- nowadays most would honestly concede Doris Day in CALAMITY JANE, Russell and Monroe in GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES and Gloria Grahame in THE BIG HEAT gave greater more durable performances than the majority of who made the cut- but if any one of them had been nominated at the time, people would have lost their minds over it.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:59 AM

EDIT: on closer study of the photo, that DOES look a lot like the high school from BACK TO THE FUTURE...Maybe I'm wrong on this and it's all just one all-American town square....

 

 

Universal was the only lot cheaper than W.B..............



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:59 AM

1953 nominees for Best Actress:

 

Leslie Caron  Lili

Ava Gardner  Mogambo

Audrey Hepburn  Roman Holiday  [winner]

Deborah Kerr  From Here to Eternity

Maggie McNamara  The Moon is Blue

 

 

Kerr and Hepburn were the standouts that year, so i wouldnt say it was exactly a weak year. McNamara could've been left off w/out much effort............


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:57 AM

Damn ... does this film have sound??

 

 

LOL!



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:56 AM

I wouldnt go that far. Weak list??? Hardly.

 

1953 nominees for Best Actress:

 

Leslie Caron  Lili

Ava Gardner  Mogambo

Audrey Hepburn  Roman Holiday  [winner]

Deborah Kerr  From Here to Eternity

Maggie McNamara  The Moon is Blue



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:55 AM

EDIT: on closer study of the photo, that DOES look a lot like the high school from BACK TO THE FUTURE...Maybe I'm wrong on this and it's all just one all-American town square....



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:54 AM

I also found this to be a wonderful example of concise storytelling - 20 minutes in and you know who all the characters are and how they have reacted to the wife/mother returning home and what their hopes are, both for and against her return.  Beautifully written, directed, and photographed.

 

 

The only thing off about it was the happy ending. Then in the wrap up found out Ross Hunter demanded one. Oh well.........


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:53 AM

Stanwyck could have and should have been nominated for All I Desire....her performance could have nudged any of the nominees off of that year's relatively weak list.

 

I wouldnt go that far. Weak list??? Hardly.






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