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#21 mr6666

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:15 PM

Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders 3h3 hours ago

 
 

Now is the time to educate, organize and fight back. We won't allow Republicans to destroy our health care.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:11 PM

Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders Sep 17

 
 

#MedicareForAll means middle class families would save thousands of dollars. It’s financially smart and the moral thing to do.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:09 PM

Gazette editorial: Is it time for health care for all yet?

 

"....Crusading Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has introduced a Medicare for All bill, and various Democrats are sponsoring it. Sanders wrote a New York Times commentary saying:

 

“This is a pivotal moment in American history. Do we, as a nation, join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee comprehensive health care to every person as a human right? Or do we maintain a system that is enormously expensive, wasteful and bureaucratic, and is designed to maximize profits for big insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry, Wall Street and medical equipment suppliers?

“We remain the only major country on earth that allows chief executives and stockholders in the health care industry to get incredibly rich, while tens of millions of people suffer because they can’t get the health care they need. This is not what the United States should be about.”

 

Bravo. We agree completely. President Barack Obama scored a breakthrough with the Affordable Care Act that brought insurance to 20 million more Americans. Now it’s time to complete the reform....

 

http://www.wvgazette...are-for-all-yet


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 06:54 PM

Single-Payer Movement Shows: Life After Trump May Not Suck-

 

By Matt Taibbi

 

 

"...In the pre-Trump universe, a Medicare-for-all bill would have had no chance of passage. But now that the hated Trump has come out against it, and moreover since Democrats were forced to argue during the Trumpcare debate that leaving people uncovered is morally untenable and even murderous, single-payer suddenly has wheels.

 

Single-payer doesn't necessarily mean an end to private insurance. It just means the government would be the bureaucratic entity that pays the bills. It would eliminate our current insanely wasteful and inefficient collection system, which leaves too many uninsured and forces medical providers to spend monstrous amounts of time and bureaucratic effort just to get paid.

 

No other industrialized country has a system as dumb as ours.

 

The unpopularity of Trump provides a unique opportunity for Democrats to organize behind this necessary and instantly popular reform.,,,

 

....If there's one thing the election of Trump has accomplished, it's clearing away the myths about the sanctity of our political system. The notion that we neither can nor should reform the old Beltway machinery, which was basically a vast network of corporate subsidies kept in place by an indefensible system of legalized bribery

– who believes that anymore?

 

That system we had served citizens so poorly that it actually made Donald Trump look like a sensible option to a not-insignificant number of people. What a relief, that politicians are finally trying something new."

 

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:25 PM

Senator Dick DurbinVerified account @SenatorDurbin 24m24 minutes ago

 
 

We called on Illinois Dept of Insurance to take actions already done by other states & protect Illinoisans from @POTUS health care sabotage.

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 07:14 PM

"Forced arbitration clauses in nursing home agreements stack the deck against residents and their families who face a wide range of potential harms, including physical abuse and neglect, sexual assault, and even wrongful death at the hands of those working in and managing long-term care facilities," the letter (pdf) states.

 

"These clauses prevent many of our country’s most vulnerable individuals from seeking justice in a court of law, and instead funnel all types of legal claims, no matter how egregious, into a privatized dispute resolution system that is often biased toward the nursing home. As a result, victims and their families are frequently denied any accountability for clear instances of wrongdoing."

 

....the protections imposed under Obama were finalized "after examining years of evidence and studies showing increasing abuse and neglect at nursing homes and the need for more accountability."

 

https://www.commondr...home-population


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 08:54 AM

Trump Just Announced End Of Obama Rule Allowing Nursing Home Victims To Sue For Mistreatment-

 

 

“The Centers for Medicare & Medicare Services (CMS) announced plans in June to do away with an Obama-era rule that prohibited nursing homes that accept Medicare or Medicaid funds from including language in their resident contracts requiring that disputes be settled by a third party rather than a court.”

Consumer groups are preparing for a final fight to keep the protections in place as a report is expected this week.........

 

http://washingtonjou...e-mistreatment/

 

 

(originally posted in 'Trump Triumph' tread, but maybe more appropriate here)

 

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This is the old "arbitration" clause which most (if not all) car dealers use, as well as many other businesses.

Technically as far as car dealerships are concerned, you do not have to sign it.  But the sales person presents the document to you along with all the other papers you have to sign.  Usually without explaining that it is voluntary to agree to third party arbitration.

One concern I always have with third party arbitration is that the business or corporation pays the arbitrator.


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 01:58 AM

Trump Just Announced End Of Obama Rule Allowing Nursing Home Victims To Sue For Mistreatment-

 

 

“The Centers for Medicare & Medicare Services (CMS) announced plans in June to do away with an Obama-era rule that prohibited nursing homes that accept Medicare or Medicaid funds from including language in their resident contracts requiring that disputes be settled by a third party rather than a court.”

Consumer groups are preparing for a final fight to keep the protections in place as a report is expected this week.........

 

http://washingtonjou...e-mistreatment/

 

 

(originally posted in 'Trump Triumph' tread, but maybe more appropriate here)

 

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 01:27 AM

Take the Generic Drug, Patients Are Told — Unless Insurers Say No

 

"Faced with competition, some pharmaceutical companies are cutting deals with insurance companies to favor their brand-name products over cheaper generics. Insurers pay less, but sometimes consumers pay more. Adderall XR, a drug to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, is a case in point...........

 

https://www.propubli...insurers-say-no

 

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It's cheaper of course to figure out what's causing attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder.  Nah keep them doped up and make big pharma richer by the day. :angry: 

 

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 12:45 AM

Take the Generic Drug, Patients Are Told — Unless Insurers Say No

 

"Faced with competition, some pharmaceutical companies are cutting deals with insurance companies to favor their brand-name products over cheaper generics. Insurers pay less, but sometimes consumers pay more. Adderall XR, a drug to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, is a case in point...........

 

https://www.propubli...insurers-say-no

 

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 05:20 PM

That result isn't surprising but one shouldn't interpret the results as if a majority of Americans favor the ACA. 

 

It is safe to assume the majority of republicans that said they "disapprove of the GOP's handling of healthcare" said so because the GOP did NOT repeal the ACA.    

 

In addition the above isn't likely to lead to Dem gains in the House in 2018.    Instead it more likely to lead to more conservative GOP politicians beating GOP incumbents in the primary and then leading to an overall more conservative House in 2018.  

You are correct.  One problem of all polls is how they phrase the questions.  Always thought it was interesting how many people in Kentucky disapproved of Obamacare, but approved of KYnect, which was the name for Obamacare in Kentucky.



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 03:21 PM

 

Accreditors Can Keep Their Hospital Inspection Reports Secret, Feds Decide-

 

"Reversing course, federal health officials withdrew a proposal that would have required private accrediting organizations to publicly release reports of problems they found in health care facilities. Accreditors and hospitals had panned the idea; consumer advocates and business groups supported it........

 

"This is disgraceful, unfair to patients as well as employers and other purchasers of health care,” she said in an email. “The public deserves full transparency on how the health care industry performs. Instead, transparency has been sacrificed to accommodate special interests that lobby to avoid disclosing embarrassing information about health care quality.”....

 

https://www.propubli...tent=1501885079


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 05:34 PM

In a new Quinnipiac Poll, 80% of Americans disapprove of the GOP's handling of healthcare--including 60% of Republicans.

 

source--politico.com

 

That result isn't surprising but one shouldn't interpret the results as if a majority of Americans favor the ACA. 

 

It is safe to assume the majority of republicans that said they "disapprove of the GOP's handling of healthcare" said so because the GOP did NOT repeal the ACA.    

 

In addition the above isn't likely to lead to Dem gains in the House in 2018.    Instead it more likely to lead to more conservative GOP politicians beating GOP incumbents in the primary and then leading to an overall more conservative House in 2018.  


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 04:06 PM

In a new Quinnipiac Poll, 80% of Americans disapprove of the GOP's handling of healthcare--including 60% of Republicans.

 

source--politico.com


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:33 PM

If the companies do not earn profits, they go out of business and millions of stock owners as well as policy beneficiaries are left holding the bag.

Every major industry in America earns "billions in profits."   

Single payer would give trillions to hospitals, doctors, medical facilities, ad infinitum.  They all earn profits and when combined is probably trillions.

 

See my other post on the Workers Comp system and how medical is paid in such a 'closed' system.    In such a system the profits to those providing medical care are constrained by the system in order to keep premiums 'reasonable'.

 

Note that in the Swiss system insurers can NOT earn a profit.   An insurer does NOT need to 'earn a profit' to pay claims (they just need to take in more then they pay out with overhead for admin expenses).  

 

This has to occur since users (patients \ claimants) don't care how much a medical provider charges since they have NO vested interest.  The system sets the premiums and what medical providers earn for providing services.    Note that when CA set this up it was challenged by the AMA but CA prevailed in the U.S. Supreme Court.

 

You should review the US Work Comp system and how it is regulated.    Oh,  you might wonder 'why would any FOR profit insurer wish to be in the WC system?';    The main reason is because states require them to be in WC otherwise the insurer can't sell the other highly profitable lines of insurance like auto, home, and fire.

 

PS:  Some states also have a single-payer WC Insurance Fund that is a state agency.  These monopolistic states decided to do this because they believe it would serve both the employers and the employees better than having private, for-profit,  insurers.  


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:20 AM

Giving taxpayers money to companies that earn billions in profits;  Just one example of how flawed the ACA is.

If the companies do not earn profits, they go out of business and millions of stock owners as well as policy beneficiaries are left holding the bag.

Every major industry in America earns "billions in profits."   

Single payer would give trillions to hospitals, doctors, medical facilities, ad infinitum.  They all earn profits and when combined is probably trillions.



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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:19 PM

true, but only way insurance companies agreed to participate

 

Well of course that was the only way those for-profit insurance companies would agreed to participate.    Right there should have been the tip off to Obama and Pelosi that they were being played.






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