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#41 JamesStewartFan95

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:48 PM

Why is Buscemi the lead?  It's not his story, but Birch's.  The groups that noticed his performance, Chicago, Independent Spirit, National Society of Film Critics, New York Film Critics, Village Voice Critic Films Poll (which Buscemi all won), Toronto, Golden Globes, AFI (where he was nominated) all had him as supporting.


I myself have Birch and Johansson as leads, while I have Buscemi in the Best Supporting Actor category.

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:07 PM

Leading vs. Supporting Categories in 2001 …

IMO .

Steve Buscemi is the lead actor in Ghost World.  Probably both Thora Birch and Scarlett Johansson are the lead actresses.

 

Why is Buscemi the lead?  It's not his story, but Birch's.  The groups that noticed his performance, Chicago, Independent Spirit, National Society of Film Critics, New York Film Critics, Village Voice Critic Films Poll (which Buscemi all won), Toronto, Golden Globes, AFI (where he was nominated) all had him as supporting.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:04 PM

What about Helen Mirren in Gosford Park? I had her as a nominee for Best Actress.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 06:03 PM

Okay, I'll leave Owen in supporting then. One thing I determined: I need to watch Gosford Park again!



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 05:58 PM

I thought that the only lead in Gosford was Kelly MacDonald. (Although a case could be made for Bob Balaban)



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 05:19 PM

I'll let Bogie decide on Clive Owen. I'll move J. Connelly to leading - where it's very competitive.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 04:27 PM

In my opinion Kelly Macdonald is the female leading role in Gosford Park. The unusual thing about this mystery is that it's told from the point of view of the servants. In traditional detective stories the servants are only there as witnesses, false suspects or comic relief. Here the servant Mary is the one who solves the crime.

 

I'm not sure about Clive Owen. He's probably the best candidate for male leading. 

 

A few more thoughts:

 

Mulholland Dr.: Watts, Harring and Theroux are all leading?

 

A Beautiful Mind: Is Jennifer Connelly supporting?

 

Lost and Delirious: Piper Perabo and Mischa Barton are leading. The latter is also juvenile.

 

So then I should move Owen out of the supporting category?

 

Yes to all on Mulholland Dr.

 

I think Connelly is a lead, personally.

 

I haven't seen the last film.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 04:20 PM

In my opinion Kelly Macdonald is the female leading role in Gosford Park. The unusual thing about this mystery is that it's told from the point of view of the servants. In traditional detective stories the servants are only there as witnesses, false suspects or comic relief. Here the servant Mary is the one who solves the crime.

 

I'm not sure about Clive Owen. He's probably the best candidate for male leading. 

 

A few more thoughts:

 

Mulholland Dr.: Watts, Harring and Theroux are all leading?

 

A Beautiful Mind: Is Jennifer Connelly supporting?

 

Lost and Delirious: Piper Perabo and Mischa Barton are leading. The latter is also juvenile.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 03:08 PM

Lol...I currently have him as my winner in the supporting category, so I'm gonna need a ruling on that one.

 

I would say you are safe either way and I saw it again within the last year.  Anyone else have thoughts on this?



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 03:01 PM

Yes, Johansson is probably supporting.  If anyone in Gospark Park was a lead it would probably be Clive Owen.

 

Lol...I currently have him as my winner in the supporting category, so I'm gonna need a ruling on that one.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 02:59 PM

Ethan Hawke is certainly the lead character in Training Day, more so than Denzel. (Both are leads, though)

 

I have Johansson as supporting for Ghost World, with Birch and Buscemi as leads.

 

No leads in Gosford Park, all supporting?

 

Yes, Johansson is probably supporting.  If anyone in Gospark Park was a lead it would probably be Clive Owen.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

Leading vs. Supporting Categories in 2001 …

IMO Jim Broadbent was the lead actor in Iris.  Oscar had him in the supporting category and guess what, he won.  But the film is really about Iris Murdoch’s marriage so both Jim and Judi Dench are leads.  I would say Hugh Bonneville and Kate Winslet playing the couple in flashback are supporting.

Ethan Hawke is co-lead with Denzel Washington in Training Day.  Oscar had him in the supporting category.  This is a case of the producers taking the second billed actor and putting him in the supporting category to increase the chances at winning both awards.  It avoids splitting the vote.  But Ethan Hawke is in every scene in this film and it might even be argued that the film is told from his point of view.

I have Gene Hackman as a lead in The Royal Tenenbaums and Gwyneth Paltrow in supporting.

Steve Buscemi is the lead actor in Ghost World.  Probably both Thora Birch and Scarlett Johansson are the lead actresses.

 

Ethan Hawke is certainly the lead character in Training Day, more so than Denzel. (Both are leads, though)

 

I have Johansson as supporting for Ghost World, with Birch and Buscemi as leads.

 

No leads in Gosford Park, all supporting?


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Posted 10 June 2017 - 02:13 PM

Leading vs. Supporting Categories in 2001 …

IMO Jim Broadbent was the lead actor in Iris.  Oscar had him in the supporting category and guess what, he won.  But the film is really about Iris Murdoch’s marriage so both Jim and Judi Dench are leads.  I would say Hugh Bonneville and Kate Winslet playing the couple in flashback are supporting.

Ethan Hawke is co-lead with Denzel Washington in Training Day.  Oscar had him in the supporting category.  This is a case of the producers taking the second billed actor and putting him in the supporting category to increase the chances at winning both awards.  It avoids splitting the vote.  But Ethan Hawke is in every scene in this film and it might even be argued that the film is told from his point of view.

I have Gene Hackman as a lead in The Royal Tenenbaums and Gwyneth Paltrow in supporting.

Steve Buscemi is the lead actor in Ghost World.  Probably both Thora Birch and Scarlett Johansson are the lead actresses.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:02 PM

I agree on Crouching Tiger. I had Phoenix in supporting for Gladiator, but your argument makes sense. I would keep Bridges as Supporting for The Contender. Gary Oldman is more of a lead in that than Bridges. (Oldman's role was edited down from what was shot, where he was without question a co-lead)



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 08:59 PM

Leading vs. Supporting Categories in 2000 …

IMO Marcia Gay Harden was the lead actress in Poll ock.  Oscar had her in the supporting category.  The producers no doubt put her in this category to increase her chances at winning and guess what, it worked.

I have Joaquin Phoenix as the co-lead in Gladiator.  Though it is Russell Crowe’s story the film plays out as a two-hander and Phoenix’s part is very large.

I should see The Contender again as there is probably a case to be made that Jeff Bridges may be the lead actor.  Oscar had him in the supporting category which is where I have him for the time being.

Ziyi Zhang and Michelle Yeoh are co-lead actresses in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Kate Winslet is supporting in Quills.

Bruce Greenwood is supporting in Thirteen Days.



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:01 AM

Leading vs. Supporting Categories in 1999 …

IMO Haley Joel Osment was a co-lead along with Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense.  The movie is his story and he is in the entire thing.  I think this is a case of not wanting to put a juvenile in competition in the lead category.  We saw this years before with Tatum O’Neal in Paper Moon.  Toni Collette is supporting.

I saw Being John Malkovich again not long ago and thought Catherine Keener is the female lead.  Oscar had her in the supporting category but she is never far from what’s going on in this film.  I also thought John Cusack and John Malkovich are the male co-leads.  Cameron Diaz is supporting.

Sarah Polley is the lead actress in Go.

Reese Witherspoon is supporting in Election.  Matthew Broderick is the male lead.

Al Pacino and Russell Crowe are co-leads in The insider.

 


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:50 PM

Yes, I h

 

One more question:

 

The Mask of Zorro: Antonio Banderas is leading. Are Catherine Zeta-Jones and Anthony Hopkins supporting? I remember being disappointed that C Z-J didn't have that much screentime.

 

Good question.  I have my Actress list sewn up, but she could make my supporting list if she has a supporting role.  Supporting Actress is a bit odd this year:  I haven't seen three of the nominees, I don't remember Redgrave's performance at all, and Dench's role is just too short.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:58 AM

Yes, I have a hard time limiting it to a top 10. Sometimes when there are two good leading roles I just have to throw out one of them to avoid an overly long list. It's an exceptional year for juvenile roles too. 

 

One more question:

 

The Mask of Zorro: Antonio Banderas is leading. Are Catherine Zeta-Jones and Anthony Hopkins supporting? I remember being disappointed that C Z-J didn't have that much screentime.

 

I have Zeta-Jones as a lead, but could be persuaded otherwise.



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:42 AM

I just finalized my 1998 choices, and was surprised to find that I have more Best Actress nominees than any other category, a rarity for my lists.

Yes, I have a hard time limiting it to a top 10. Sometimes when there are two good leading roles I just have to throw out one of them to avoid an overly long list. It's an exceptional year for juvenile roles too. 

 

One more question:

 

The Mask of Zorro: Antonio Banderas is leading. Are Catherine Zeta-Jones and Anthony Hopkins supporting? I remember being disappointed that C Z-J didn't have that much screentime.



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:25 PM

I just finalized my 1998 choices, and was surprised to find that I have more Best Actress nominees than any other category, a rarity for my lists.


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