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#21 jinsinna13

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Posted 04 June 2017 - 08:47 AM

Our Man Flint (1966)

 

Derek Flint (James Coburn) comes out of retirement to stop three mad scientists from controlling the world with a weather-control machine. Flint must also maintain his relationships with his live-in male lovers (Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, George Peppard, Robert Vaughn).


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:43 PM

The Richmond Dispatch  reported on May 13, 1862 that since moving the Confederacy's  capitol to Richmond that "loose males of most abandoned character from other part's of the Confederacy " had moved to Richmond and "prostitutes of both sexes " openly displaying themselves in carriages and the sidewalks" .

 

In 1864 a ball was put on by a Massachusetts regiment stationed in Virginia featuring young drummer boys dressed as women (?!)

 


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#23 Jlewis

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:24 PM

Gee, the Mitchell "estate" needed to keep up with the times.

 

I remember Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon books suggested that Tallulah Bankhead and Hattie MacDaniel were an item for a time.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:12 PM

I tend to view GWTW more of a lesbian chick flick though. Note how the women must all take a nap at the Wilkes barbecue while the men-folk talk war and politics over brandy. (Liz Taylor in Giant would not stand for that!) Although they are still in their undergarments, they bundle together on the same beds.

 

I also love it when Rhett must sway the authorities from knowing that the guys didn't go to a triple K meeting. (Selznick's writers took that reference out of the book for the movie by making it a revenge type of thing "as gentlemen" for Scarlet being man-handled when driving her carriage alone in the woods, but posing as a "political meeting".) Instead, he insists they spent the night at Belle Watling's place. Of course, the ladies all appear "shocked", but they are still fascinated. After all, Belle does it with... men! For pleasure! Fiddle-dee-dee. Like marriage... "fun for men" only. Doc Meade's wife demands more information about the chandeliers and other gobknobs in Belle's place (a.k.a. the sex toys) until he reminds her to get a hold of her self.

 

I am surprised Scarlet's sister isn't upset that Dear Mister Kennedy is dead on Decatur Road and Scarlet is again a widow.

 

And what is wrong with Butterfly McQueen being... Prissy? Aunt Hamilton, Aunt Pitty Pat and all of the other "Aunts" certainly did not lose any men in the war. They survived quite well without them.

 

Everything that is "shocking" involves heterosexual behavior, probably because it was only accepted in order to produce little Beau Wilkes and Little Bonnie Blue Butlers. (Funny how blue is often considered a boy's color these days but not back then.) Who cares if Emily Slattery, the white trash gal, hooked up with the overseer Jonas Wilkerson (later carpetbagger for the post-war Yankees)? Note too how Scarlet wants no more sex with Rhett, despite Mammy suggesting he will want a son next. Since she and Ashley never did anything "shocking" (except talking at the lumber mill), it is obvious that HE wasn't the reason Rhett had to force her up the stairs. It was always Melanie! Melanie! Melanie!

 

Remember when Melanie was giving birth to Beau and Scarlet was helping her ("yell... nobody will hear you") all in silhouette in the golden indoor light? That is how every sex scene has been done in movies ever since. They just left out the kissing!

 

The Civil War probably forced many heterosexuals to swing the other way due to shortages involving the opposite gender and a need to get stuff out of their systems.

I agree with you that it's female driven movie- and I really don't get Scarletts' whining over Ashley who seem dull.   I was wondering about homosexuality during this period- will have to do research on that-  I know that when one of the sequel novels was being written- the Mitchel state insisted there would be no homosexuality in the book.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

I tend to view GWTW more of a lesbian chick flick though. Note how the women must all take a nap at the Wilkes barbecue while the men-folk talk war and politics over brandy. (Liz Taylor in Giant would not stand for that!) Although they are still in their undergarments, they bundle together on the same beds.

 

I also love it when Rhett must sway the authorities from knowing that the guys didn't go to a triple K meeting. (Selznick's writers took that reference out of the book for the movie by making it a revenge type of thing "as gentlemen" for Scarlet being man-handled when driving her carriage alone in the woods, but posing as a "political meeting".) Instead, he insists they spent the night at Belle Watling's place. Of course, the ladies all appear "shocked", but they are still fascinated. After all, Belle does it with... men! For pleasure! Fiddle-dee-dee. Like marriage... "fun for men" only. Doc Meade's wife demands more information about the chandeliers and other gobknobs in Belle's place (a.k.a. the sex toys) until he reminds her to get a hold of her self.

 

I am surprised Scarlet's sister isn't upset that Dear Mister Kennedy is dead on Decatur Road and Scarlet is again a widow.

 

And what is wrong with Butterfly McQueen being... Prissy? Aunt Hamilton, Aunt Pitty Pat and all of the other "Aunts" certainly did not lose any men in the war. They survived quite well without them.

 

Everything that is "shocking" involves heterosexual behavior, probably because it was only accepted in order to produce little Beau Wilkes and Little Bonnie Blue Butlers. (Funny how blue is often considered a boy's color these days but not back then.) Who cares if Emily Slattery, the white trash gal, hooked up with the overseer Jonas Wilkerson (later carpetbagger for the post-war Yankees)? Note too how Scarlet wants no more sex with Rhett, despite Mammy suggesting he will want a son next. Since she and Ashley never did anything "shocking" (except talking at the lumber mill), it is obvious that HE wasn't the reason Rhett had to force her up the stairs. It was always Melanie! Melanie! Melanie!

 

Remember when Melanie was giving birth to Beau and Scarlet was helping her ("yell... nobody will hear you") all in silhouette in the golden indoor light? That is how every sex scene has been done in movies ever since. They just left out the kissing!

 

The Civil War probably forced many heterosexuals to swing the other way due to shortages involving the opposite gender and a need to get stuff out of their systems.


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 08:32 PM

" Gone with the Wind" (1939)  at the end of the film after Rhett (Clark Gable) has spoken his final line to Scarlett we see him getting into a carriage with a handsome young man ( Robert Taylor), they kiss and drive off together ( I'm sure George Cukor would have approved)


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 06:18 PM

Now... any movie with those two in cahoots would certainly do better business than that ol' Heath and Jake flick. Think of all of the straight ladies eager just to see the two semi-naked in the same shots regardless of whom they are focused on.

 

OK... here is another one we can try. Scarlet O'Hara is in love with Melanie instead of Ashley Wilkes in Gone With the Wind. She marries three MEN she is not in love with, although... fiddle-dee-dee... Rhett tries his best with her. When Ashley finally croaks, Rhett decides to leave her because she now has Melanie all to herself.

 

Key scene: after Scarlet shoots the Yankee soldier, she uses Melanie's nightie to mop up the blood. Then they make love...

Hmm interesting... yes Mr Gosling and Mr Efron would make a hot and profitable movie couple


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 03:42 PM

"La La Land" (2016) A jazz musician ( Ryan Gosling) falls in love with an actor ( Zac Efrom) as they struggle for success in Hollywood.

 

Now... any movie with those two in cahoots would certainly do better business than that ol' Heath and Jake flick. Think of all of the straight ladies eager just to see the two semi-naked in the same shots regardless of whom they are focused on.

 

OK... here is another one we can try. Scarlet O'Hara is in love with Melanie instead of Ashley Wilkes in Gone With the Wind. She marries three MEN she is not in love with, although... fiddle-dee-dee... Rhett tries his best with her. When Ashley finally croaks, Rhett decides to leave her because she now has Melanie all to herself.

 

Key scene: after Scarlet shoots the Yankee soldier, she uses Melanie's nightie to mop up the blood. Then they make love...


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:23 PM

"La La Land" (2016) A jazz musician ( Ryan Gosling) falls in love with an actor ( Zac Efrom) as they struggle for success in Hollywood.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:54 AM

Ransom! (1956)

 

Dave Stannard (Glenn Ford) and his spouse, Eric (Joseph Cotten), stop at nothing to find their son, Andy (Bobby Clark), after they realize he has been kidnapped.


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Posted 14 May 2017 - 08:56 AM

"The House that Screamed" the same script about sexual repression and murder but set in all male school ( I really would pay to see it)


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:46 PM

10 Things I Hate About You (1999)

 

Bianca Stratford (Larisa Oleynik) falls in love with bisexual aspiring model Joey Donner (Andrew Keegan) but soon finds out Joey is having an affair with a male model (Rider Strong) and leaves Joey for classmate Cameron (Joseph Gordon Levitt).


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:41 PM

Dead Poets Society (1989)

 

Gay teen Knox Overstreet (Josh Charles) falls in love with bisexual Christian (River Phoenix) and goes to his school to read him a poem he wrote- only to discover Christian has a girlfriend (Alyssa Milano).


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 07:30 PM

TCM did air it before. I watched some of it at the time, but it was late in the evening. They were doing African dramas. Gorillas In The Mist was also shown about that time.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 06:41 PM

Yes, I do believe that Sir Richard Burton was a bisexual man.

Burton was an adventurer - he was married but obviously enjoyed the company of men-  'Mountains of the Moon" which really should be better known- ( TCM should run it)


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 11:31 AM

I saw this in the theater and was pretty surprised by the scene. This was two years before the ground breaking The Crying Game and some of us lived in an EXTREMELY homophobic environment.

 

Wonderful thing about the 19th Victorian century though. Nobody discussed what happened behind closed doors, not even heterosexual married couples blessed by a priest. When you read a lot of literature and poetry of the times, it wasn't just Walt Whitman discussing "brotherly love". During the Civil War and other bloody conflicts, in addition to treks through African wilderness, women just weren't available and it is unlikely every man stayed abstinent until he got back to Melanie Wilkes.

 

I have read up a bit on Burton. Oh... he had no shame to his game. I am sure he did more than most 19th century men. Also had plenty of opportunity without others watching.

Yes, I do believe that Sir Richard Burton was a bisexual man.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 07:46 AM

I saw this in the theater and was pretty surprised by the scene. This was two years before the ground breaking The Crying Game and some of us lived in an EXTREMELY homophobic environment.

 

Wonderful thing about the 19th Victorian century though. Nobody discussed what happened behind closed doors, not even heterosexual married couples blessed by a priest. When you read a lot of literature and poetry of the times, it wasn't just Walt Whitman discussing "brotherly love". During the Civil War and other bloody conflicts, in addition to treks through African wilderness, women just weren't available and it is unlikely every man stayed abstinent until he got back to Melanie Wilkes.

 

I have read up a bit on Burton. Oh... he had no shame to his game. I am sure he did more than most 19th century men. Also had plenty of opportunity without others watching.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:08 PM

Richard Francis Burton was very interested in sexuality- during his time in the army he went undercover at a male brothel  and in his travels he would even measure the endowment of the native men.( for research purposes of course).    There is not actual proof that he was gay or bi but it sounds to me that a man as daring as Burton   would have gone beyond a single kiss with his fellow explorer Speake

Yes, "Mountains of the Moon" is a fascinating film by Bob Rafeson, because so much of it does seem to be "buried".

 

I do wish that it were a better-known film.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:22 PM

As I remember it, a sexual tension did exist between John Hanning Speke (Ian Glen) and Sir Richard Burton (Patrick Bergin).

 

Also, Speke's friend (Richard H. Grant) might have been his lover.

 

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Richard Francis Burton was very interested in sexuality- during his time in the army he went undercover at a male brothel  and in his travels he would even measure the endowment of the native men.( for research purposes of course).    There is not actual proof that he was gay or bi but it sounds to me that a man as daring as Burton   would have gone beyond a single kiss with his fellow explorer Speake


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 05:13 PM

As I remember it, a sexual tension did exist between John Hanning Speke (Ian Glen) and Sir Richard Burton (Patrick Bergin).

 

Also, Speke's friend (Richard H. Grant) might have been his lover.

 

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The film is very tame except for that fever induced kiss


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