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#821 Bogie56

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 08:12 PM

We're poor already.  Just surviving from one recession to the next and getting more and more in debt.  Your top 1% trickle down system doesn't work, Jake.



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Posted 09 April 2016 - 07:56 PM

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#823 newclassicfilmfan1

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 07:40 PM

Does Bernie only get 2 delegates for State of Wyoming?   I think Bernie is gonna get the popular vote, but Hillary will probably get the most delegates and win the nomination.   Why can't the popular vote count as Bernie would beat Hillary.   Why can't they just have an election on 1 day and all the States vote and the winner, by popular vote, is the nominee for their party for Presidential election.  I don't understand this delegate process and caucuses.....the will of the people should be the only determining factor



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Posted 09 April 2016 - 07:19 PM

Sanders Wins Another One.

 

Wyoming goes for Bernie - last I looked he was up by 12 points with 75% of the voting in. Chalk up yet one more for the good guy.

 

I believe that brings the Primaries count to 17 for him, 17 for the queen (although some see it more as 17-15-2 for him).

 

Next up - a big one: New York. Something like 245 delegates for the winning.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:41 PM

People can have an opinion....to each his own.

 

Another deep nugget. Gee, I'll have to write that one down.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:40 PM

There's evidently a silver lining to Hillary's defeat in Wisconsin. She didn't win the state in 2008 either -- Obama did. But this time, Hillary increased her share of the vote from 41% to 43%. Sanders won fewer votes yesterday than Obama did in 2008. Clinton increased her share of the Milwaukee County vote from 38% in 2008 to 52% yesterday. She will get a decent share of delegates. 

 

Donald Trump is holding a big rally on Long Island right now. He's talking about how, driving to LI from Manhattan, he passed through Queens. He's waxing nostalgic about growing up in Queens. Bernie will be holding a rally in Washington Square Park next week, a small park that's filled with NYU students at the slowest of times. Bernie will wax nostalgic about growing up in Brooklyn. As William Demerest says in The Lady Eve, "It's the same dame."



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:14 PM

Many have been brainwashed to equate socialism with communism.  I suspect that is what is behind the comments that "it has been proven that it doesn't work."

Having grown up in a much more liberal society I see Bernie's 'socialist offering' as a very timid first step in a very conservative country that has been indoctrinated to preserve the world order for the top one per cent.


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#828 newclassicfilmfan1

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:14 PM

People can have an opinion....to each his own.



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:10 PM

thank you.  I didn't read back on the entire thread....so sorry if it was said before...but it's so true!

 

How would you know what's true? You're clearly lacking in any meaningful political knowledge.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:08 PM

I got nothing against sanders being a socialist other than the fact it has failed everywhere it has been tried but what is truly sad is the only 'democrat' challenging HRC is a socialist.

 

Jeesh, get an education.

 

There are plenty of democratic-socialist countries and they're all far healthier and happier than yours.

 

You people are ridiculously ignorant about the world.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:06 PM

thank you.  I didn't read back on the entire thread....so sorry if it was said before...but it's so true!



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:05 PM

Socialism is good until you run out of other people's money.

 

You're pretty original, ay. We've only seen that sign in these forums about 25 times now.

 

And it's so deep, too - a real thought-piece that is.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 06:00 PM

I agree with some of this too...good, valid points made.    



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:56 PM

Government paid for college would just allow the college industry to continue to operate in an inefficient and costly manner.  

 This I agree with this, much the same way the ACA has propped up the private medical insurance industry. I like the idea of expanded vocational training in the industries where we are lacking skilled workers.



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:53 PM

This is my response to several of your remarks.  Bernie's brand of American socialism falls way to the right of what we already have in Canada and lots of European countries and I would not categorize that as failures.  To believe so is to be looking at the world with right wing blinders on.

As for free college, they are only proposing that the tuition be free.  There are still plenty of other costs. And though I could selfishly say why should I care, I am beyond college age, the answer is that tens of thousands of your youth are being saddled with crushing debt before life even begins for them.  This system is set up by the rich.

 

The system as it relates to loans was supported by the college industry as a way to rip off the consumer  (mostly parents).    The college industry also helped create the self-fulfilling prophecy that if one doesn't have a college degree one can't get a good job.    So I'm not in favor of 'free' college for all.   Instead I support very low interest loans (say a percent < inflation) for vocational education programs.    e.g. one is a lot more valuable to the computer \ software industry with a Microsoft Engineering 'Degree' (certification) then a degree in English Literature.  

 

Government paid for college would just allow the college industry to continue to operate in an inefficient and costly manner.  



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:53 PM

I don't agree with the free college...sorry.   Before Bernie, all the young folks paid for their own college education by working (or their parents paid)...and yes, there is huge loans and debts incurred...but to give college tuition for free (or parts of it) is not fair to those who ultimately have to pay through their taxes.  If a person has no children (or grown children)...why should they have to pay for other people's children's education with higher taxes?  What will happen is we'll all pay for all these kids to go to college, many of whom will party for most of their education and have a darn good time on our money.

(especially by kids who really don't want to go to college and aren't serious about it...but they'll go there if it's "free").   Not in favor of Bernie Sanders and all his "free" ideas.

 

You realize you already pay for grades k-12, right? I have no children, and yet I've paid my taxes, and paid for countless kids to go to school. Your argument sounds like one of those "well, back in MY day" type rants that everyone loves to hear. Before you came along, your predecessors worked 12 hour days 6 days a week from age 6 onward, and before then they ate garbage to live, and before that they murdered each other, and even ate each other if times were lean. The point being, you hopefully make the world a better place when you leave than when you entered it. It's called progress. And it used to be what we were striving for in this country. 


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:46 PM

I respect your opinion if you favor Bernie Sanders - but I don't like him.



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:43 PM

I don't agree with the free college...sorry.   Before Bernie, all the young folks paid for their own college education by working (or their parents paid)...and yes, there is huge loans and debts incurred...but to give college tuition for free (or parts of it) is not fair to those who ultimately have to pay through their taxes.  If a person has no children (or grown children)...why should they have to pay for other people's children's education with higher taxes?  What will happen is we'll all pay for all these kids to go to college, many of whom will party for most of their education and have a darn good time on our money.

(especially by kids who really don't want to go to college and aren't serious about it...but they'll go there if it's "free").   Not in favor of Bernie Sanders and all his "free" ideas.



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:32 PM

This is my response to several of your remarks.  Bernie's brand of American socialism falls way to the right of what we already have in Canada and lots of European countries and I would not categorize that as failures.  To believe so is to be looking at the world with right wing blinders on.

As for free college, they are only proposing that the tuition be free.  There are still plenty of other costs. And though I could selfishly say why should I care, I am beyond college age, the answer is that tens of thousands of your youth are being saddled with crushing debt before life even begins for them.  This system is set up by the rich.



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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:17 PM

I agree...any better candidate than Bernie could have beaten Hillary.






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