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Music question
Permlink Replies: 18 - Pages: 2 [ 1 2 | Next ] - Original Post: Jan 6, 2012 2:56 AM Original Post By: steinkorn

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Re: Music question
Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:17 AM   in response to: JulieLovesTCM in response to: JulieLovesTCM
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I was reminded of this thread as The Time Machine is on this morning - I hear part of the same theme from Portrait of Jennie. Nothing is defined in the IMDB listing for the soundtrack of The Time Machine. Does anyone know?

ETA - also it seems that the Horkheimer version was recorded by Isao Tomita.

Julie

Edited by: JulieLovesTCM on Feb 4, 2012 11:31 AM


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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 8, 2012 7:09 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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Yes, I used to watch Horkheimer on PBS before I became an old lady and it was on too late :). I saw Jennie after that, so my references were switched from yours. When I saw Jennie, I remembered star watching!

Good luck in finding the right version. DeBussy is used in lots of things - I'm sure you'll find it.

Julie

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 8, 2012 1:51 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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I confirmed it is Arabesque No. 1 but Horkheimer's version used a reed or wind instrument (sorry, I like music but am not as familiar with instruments). Still would like to find version Horkheimer used (if I couldn't have the soundtrack, that is).

steinkorn

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 8, 2012 1:41 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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Okay. Went to Youtube and Girl With The Flaxen Hair is indeed in Portrait of Jennie. Now, someone please go to Youtube and look up Jack Horkheimer. He died in 2011 but for years he hosted a PBS program called Star Gazer. Any of those videos will have as underscore in the opening and closing seconds the music I've always thought was from Portrait of Jennie (it's the ringtone I mentioned). I feel like a '50's game show host: Name That Tune and where can I find it. Thanks! No one here has failed me.

steinkorn

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 4:03 PM   in response to: JulieLovesTCM in response to: JulieLovesTCM
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It could be. But it doesn't take much to slightly change a tune or a theme.

A major article was written about the music in these films, but the article seems to be available only from University Libraries and it apparently must be purchased. Try searching for this on Google"

"Musical Links in Young Mr. Lincoln, My Darling Clementine, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"

The first page of the article is here:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1225160

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 3:49 PM   in response to: FredCDobbs in response to: FredCDobbs
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Thank you for continuing the research.

I can't find any recordings of 'The Dew is on the Blossom', but several of google references to 'Ann Rutledge's theme', along with other confirmations of the same melody used in Belle Star and Liberty Valance.

Do you think that's the same tune?

Julie


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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM   in response to: JulieLovesTCM in response to: JulieLovesTCM
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IMDB music credits:

Young Mr. Lincoln:

"The Dew Is On The Blossom"
Played when Abe is kneeling by Anns grave
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032155/soundtrack

Main movie credit for music:

Original Music by
Alfred Newman
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032155/fullcredits#cast



The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

"Main Theme"
(uncredited)
from Young Mr. Lincoln (1939)
Music by Alfred Newman
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/soundtrack

Main movie credit for music:

Original Music by
Cyril J. Mockridge (music scored by) (as Cyril Mockridge)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/fullcredits#cast

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 5:54 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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Ha, ha, I love Portrait of Jennie, too -- According to IMDB's soundtrack listing, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040705/soundtrack Debussy was used for background music--
Try looking for The Girl With the Flaxen Hair, Arabesque No. 1 in E, and Nauges.
Try youtube -- I could recognize the first two from the movie.

Julie


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Posted: Jan 7, 2012 4:51 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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Newman employed the only moderately talented Mockridge frequently when he was head of music at Fox. Much of Mockridge's output was, in fact, written, or at least sketched out, by Newman, but Mockridge was given screen credit at Newman's insistence. It's a testament to Newman's generosity and sense of paternal reponsibility as the employer of so many composers and musicians at the studio.

Whether Mockridge actually consulted with, or relied on the by-then-independent Newman to help him with the score to LIBERTY VALANCE at Paramount, I don't know, but it's fairly certain that he drew on music he'd used on other films to score it. Then, too, John Ford was happiest when scoring was sparse and largely reliant on folk melodies, and that's pretty much what Mockridge (and, maybe, Newman) gave him.

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 1:05 AM   in response to: steinkorn in response to: steinkorn
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Thanks to one and all, but I must admit to feeling like an idiot since I love Liberty Valance so much. This is definitely the place to get movie help. Now if anyone out there can help me find a soundtrack for Portrait of Jennie . . . . I've even heard a piece of that as someone's ringtone, but it came with the phone and they had no idea what it was.

steinkorn

P. S. Now that I think of it, isn't Liberty Valance credited to Cyril Mockridge?

Edited by: steinkorn on Jan 7, 2012 1:06 AM


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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 7, 2012 12:26 AM   in response to: JulieLovesTCM in response to: JulieLovesTCM
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It's also the Cactus Rose theme in Liberty Valance. It's heard mainly when Hallie is remembering/talking about Tom Doniphon.

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 6, 2012 10:54 PM   in response to: FredCDobbs in response to: FredCDobbs
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That's the one I'm thinking about! Starting at about 1:30 minutes into the clip.

Thank you, Mr. Dobbs.

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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 6, 2012 10:47 PM   in response to: lzcutter in response to: lzcutter
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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 6, 2012 10:02 PM   in response to: lzcutter in response to: lzcutter
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Yes, that's it.

I recognized the same tune in Belle Star, and went looking to see if it was the same composer. I wonder if it has a real name, or just known by 'Ann Rutledge's Theme' :)

Julie


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Re: Music question
Posted: Jan 6, 2012 9:55 PM   in response to: JulieLovesTCM in response to: JulieLovesTCM
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A while ago there was a special on John Ford shown on TCM (I think narrated by Orson Welles?), and he mentions Ford reusing this piece of music.

The special was the restoration of the documentary called Directed by John Ford (done by Peter Bogdanovich and featuring a number of actors talking about working for Ford) and the piece of music from Young Mr. Lincoln is used very eloquently in Ford's film, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.