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Favorite War Character
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Jake in the Heartland -- The Buccaneer

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Kudos to the previous post.

Lawrence Olivier may have portrayed him, but the Admiral Nelson was bigger than life himself.
Here is a stunning tribute in St Paul's Cathedral to the fallen victor at Trafalgar :


1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté, revered and remembered.


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Waterloo

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Casablanca

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Spartacus

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The Killing Fields -- Millions killed by the wonderful ideology called Communism.

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Sink the Bismark

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Rivals General Patton and General Montgomery.

Patton

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The Guns of Navarone

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The Battle of Midway -- A mere five minutes defeated the Japanese fleet.

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Great Pics Fred. Mississippi has a lot of CW history.

I go back to see my Mom and Dad who live in Gulfport, Ms and while there I like to check out the area since I once lived there.

Going down 49 South to highway 90 then go west toward New Orleans you will no longer find beautiful homes just like the one you posted that were once lined up and down the highway before Hurricane Katrina.

Some of those homes, too went all the way back to the CW and before.

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Jake, thanks very much for your interesting response.

I've been to Vicksburg several times. My wife and I stayed overnight at Cedar Grove back in in the 1980s. A wonderful experience. The house still overlooks the river and has a cannon ball from one of the battles stuck in a front wall. It is still furnished with civil war era furniture, paintings, and many other details in all the old bedrooms. It was a strange feeling staying there, looking down at the river, and in the morning, at breakfast in the elaborate dining room, all the servants were black people dressed in formal civil war era servant's outfits, and all the guests were white.

http://www.cedargroveinn.com/history.php





The cliff is still there where many of the caves were built, and every now and then someone discovers one of the caves (actually just pits that were dug into the soft dirt bank of the cliff) and they find relics that were left behind when the city was captured.

Many old buildings are still in the downtown area. Seems that some of the business area and old homes were not hit much by cannon fire and thus did not suffer much damage, and they are still there. But of course others were destroyed by the siege.

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During the big civil war battles, why did all the men on both sides line up, side by side, in front of the opposing army? Seems to me that would be the best way to get oneself shot for sure. Anyone who aimed into a line and fired a shot would be sure to hit someone. This is why the death rate was so high during those battles.

Hi Fred,

Think West Point. Both South and North generals were steeped in European style fighting tactics and strategies. General Lee studied Napoleon and other great European generals. The left and right flanks with a center were the positions that must be broken down to defeat an army.

There were battles such as Shiloh at the Hornets Nest fought in a wooded terrain but still the losses were over 20,000 thousand plus.

Lee and Grant met in the Wilderness in the latter part of the war in wooded terrain with losses also 20,000 plus.

Stonewall Jackson did use guerilla tactics with far fewer men than the Union forces in the Valley Campaign with great success. He used surprise tactics at Chancellorsville by having his men surprise the Union force when the South came out of the woods to panic the Northern forces.

Not till the latter part of the War did it become a siege affair with ditches and trenches and barbed wire.

Although Vicksburg did fall to Grant, after a siege was placed on the city, only after the citizens were living in caves and eating rats did Gen. Pemberton surrender to Grant.

Lining up like that goes back to Roman times, but that was when combat was hand to hand and men had to be just 2 feet in front of one another to strike the enemy with a sword.

But long after the invention of rifles, why would any army line up in an open field, side by side, when they were being fired at?

The style of fighting did allow for armies to meet and again apply old tactics. We scratch our heads today and wonder why?

It was the custom and the way to wage war. Not till the latter part of the War did that change when the North adopted a Total War concept where even civilians were at risk.

Gen. Lee did not originally pick Gettysburg as his first place to meet the North but circumstances dictated the battle be fought there after the Rebel and Union forces met and encountered fierce fighting.

Gen. Lee desperately wanted a victory at Gettysburg to win European approval and break Lincoln with a defeat that would discourage Northern support.

Gen Lee has been criticized for Pickett's Charge sending 12000 men across open terrain to break the Union center at Gettysburg.

I do not. I believe he was badly served by his Generals who did not carry out his plan with alacrity and force. He sorely missed Stonewall Jackson who was accidentally killed at Chancellorsville.

Not all the fighting at Gettysburg was in open terrain. Little Round Top and Culps hill saw fierce fighting with some of it hand-to-hand.

Had the South won, things might be very different today. And they came very close to winning the battle even with all the mishaps.

Have a great weekend.

P.S.

Noted historian James McPherson found when he researched the reasons the ordinary soldier fought in The War Between the States for the respective sides it was to hold the Union together for the Northern soldier believing his ancestors left him the country he knew and it was to defend his homeland from invasion and the right for Independence for the Southern soldier as he believed his ancestors had left to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGZ-QU4iDds&feature=related

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Jake, maybe you can tell me something I've been trying to figure out.

During the big civil war battles, why did all the men on both sides line up, side by side, in front of the opposing army? Seems to me that would be the best way to get oneself shot for sure. Anyone who aimed into a line and fired a shot would be sure to hit someone. This is why the death rate was so high during those battles.

Why didn't they hide behind trees, in trenches, etc?

Lining up like that goes back to Roman times, but that was when combat was hand to hand and men had to be just 2 feet in front of one another to strike the enemy with a sword.

But long after the invention of rifles, why would any army line up in an open field, side by side, when they were being fired at?