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  1. I've tired over and over again to locate RUN SILENT RUN DEEP on Watch TCM. But I can't find it. Some dumb person at TCM altered the format so that films are no longer listed in alphabetical order. Where is this film? And why can't I find it? Someone at TCM needs to use much better judgment about things like this.
  2. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    Given my somewhat "progressive" social attitudes in certain areas, I would certainly not characterize myself as a "prude" nor as the Church Lady of Saturday Night Live fame. As earlier stated, I'm not exactly a stranger to nudist recreational resorts and beaches, just to sight an example. I suppose it's fair to say I'm conservative in some ways, and progressive in others. It depends upon the topic. As for my reference to the film FATAL ATTRACTION (1987), I was referring to visual content when I used the term 'pornographic' to describe certain scenes. Someone once said (I believe it was a U.S. federal judge), "I can't give you an exact working definition of pornography. But I can tell you that I know it when I see it." We live in a society that sometimes elects in effect, to merge two 'film genres' together. I know some among us consider this to be quite harmless, while others see a potentially lethal effect in ways that may not be immediately apparent. It's interesting that as far back as 1981, I personally witnessed underaged children beling permitted to be in a theater showing an extremely R-rated film. In part, the film explicitly depicted sexual activity taking place between a male minor and an adult woman. Add to this the statistical fact that a majority of contemporary parents in America choose not to educate their children on sexual responsibility, let alone sexual ethics. This in turn, permits them to become still more vulnerable to external influences than might otherwise be the case. Children are therefore often left with no working context for making practical decisions regarding sexual responsibility, other than peer pressure considerations. It often turns out to be a lethal combination in terms of socio-sexual life outcomes. For further evidence concerning this, you might try researching national statistics on teenage pregnancy in The United States since the year 1968. Hollywood surely bears some responsibility for this. But so also do parents who choose to surrender their responsibilities as parents in terms of sexual education in a comprehensive way. And similarly, Hollywood often surrenders social responsibility to a preoccupation with the financial bottom line. We all know that sex sells. So does violence. Hollywood likes to call for new anti-gun laws, while at the same time glorifying guy violence in films in order to maximize their financial bottom line. Somewhere in here lies more than a hint of hypocrisy.
  3. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    I might add that watching people sitting on toilets and doing their bodily functions does not appeal to me a whole lot. Watching actual scenes depicting sexual intercourse and oral sex close up do not appeal to me either. Afterall, I can view that type of content in a "porn" film if that's what I truly crave. And yet such acts are depicted from time to time in some contemporary films. I'm not against artistic freedom. I reserve the right to define for myself what actually constitutes "artistic freedom". I know that for many people in contemporary society, anything goes. There are no standards for some individuals. And that's their choice. FATAL ATTRACTION (1987) depicted the "toilet bowl" side of human nature and the human condition...contemporary style. Like many others, I'm quite aware that this kind of behavior in real life goes on all the time. Let's face it...some things are simply sickening. For the same reason, I don't care to watch a child being sexually molested on screen, even though I'm aware that it is "acting" that is taking place. I can picture it in a film script without having to watch it being graphically played out. Do I have to watch someone throwing up on screen before I realize that such bodily functions are perhaps occurring in the story line? Some things are better left to the imagination. And in some cases, this serves to actually strengthen an overall dramatic effect...not lessen it. But as in the contemporary political arena, there are few if any self-imposed restraints left. This often paves the way for a new totalitarianism somewhere down the road in the future, replacing the wreckage left behind by the chaos and confusion of a preceding society that had fallen increasingly into decay. Human history demonstrates this "cycle" again and again, and with alarming regularity. No standards or guidelines at all do not always lead to stronger, purer or enduring creativity.
  4. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    Sepiatone needs to stop name-calling without knowing someone personally. I'm hardly a "prude"...since I attend nude recreational resorts from time to time. I had no problem with the dress code for actors in the Tarzan movies of the 1930's. Loin cloths do NOT offend me. Nor do bikini's. I was simply pointing out that we need to be aware of code words that might convey a hidden agenda. TCM is a large revenue-oriented "brand" that seeks to enlarge its bottom line for those with financial interests in the corporation. While this is not immoral nor uncommon in our capitalist world, we need to bear in mind that much of the content of TCM (when not actually showing a movie) is profit-oriented. While having some liberal attitudes socially speaking, at the same time I recognize commercialism when I see it, and reject a good deal of it out of hand. Now does that make me a socialist? Hardly. I liked the old AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS channel of the 1980's and 1990's because it was pure and totally free of commercialism. I got to watch movies without all the frills and revenue-generating gimmickry of TCM. I don't need people "thinking" for me or telling me what to believe. I can do that for myself, thank you. As for the young females now being showcased on TCM at the introduction of some of their featured movies, we might bear in mind that they are simply reading from a teleprompter. No great skill is required, other than good eyesight and the ability to read. Vasquez is gone, and now we have her replacement, a red head from Great Britain. It apparently is "try-out" season for young females at TCM. But why no males? Do only girls qualify for this opportunity? Again, sex appeal for the sake of revenue-generation....and more than a slight hint of over-commercialism. Purist, non-commercialized movie channels like the original AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS (AMC) of the 1980's and 1990's became dinosaurs and quickly disappeared, and this because they weren't designed to generate huge mega-profits for the global corporations that control the entertainment and news media television channels of today. Only over-commercialization survives, it would seem...the law of the commercial, capitalist jungle. I'm grateful that TCM remains commercial advertising-free. Much of that " financial revenue" comes instead from my monthly cable television bill. I guess I can live with that.
  5. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    It's been a few months since I've visited TCM Message Boards, but I did want to update my comments regarding the "sexual freedom" comments I posted back in May. As I had tried to indicate in my initial posting, I was addressing what is depicted on the film screen...not what goes on in actors' bedrooms in their real lives. I'm not concerned about which actor had an "affair" with whom in their personal lives. At the same time, the sex scene between Michael Douglas and Glenn Close in FATAL ATTRACTION was totally pornographic in nature. But it did serve one useful purpose. It demonstrated how contemporary film directors and screen writers delight in merging the porn genre with the mainstream film genre. It all clearly contributes to why minors are becoming pregnant at the age of twelve or fourteen in today's society. In their immature and underdeveloped minds, they naturally perceive such on screen behavior as the norm, and as "cool"...the thing to do if you are really "with it"...and if you truly want to "fit in" with your peers and be socially accepted. To try and contrast Katherine Hepburn's personal life involving Spencer Tracy (be it alleged or real) with the modern pornographic content of contemporary films such as FATAL ATTRACTION (1987) is ludicrous. One has nothing to do with the other. The images and messages we transplant into the minds of our youth through modern commercial films, on the other hand, is extremely important. The hypocrisy of modern Hollywood goes even further than that though. Hollywood liberals call for more national gun control laws, even as they continue to glamorize gun violence and killing on the screen. Afterall, just like graphic sex, gun violence on the screen makes for greater financial profits. The fact that young minds are subconsciously influenced by these images makes little difference to them. It's the financial bottom line that counts, isn't it. How much did this or that film gross? Like contemporary major league sports, or the TCM Wine Club, it's about business and profits...another way to generate greater revenue...and nothing more. As for me, I am hardly what could be termed a "prude." I have no problem with nude or topless beaches, nor with vacationing at nudist recreational resorts. I apply no moral litmus test to them. Families can frequently be found at such venues. Healthy social attitudes about the human body are fundamentally different in nature from sexual decadence. So I would hardly take offense at the Tarzan movies of the 1930's or 1940's. On the other hand, I have sufficiently high enough cognitive functioning to recognize modern code words as "sexual freedom" and the like for what they are. It's a way of subtly giving the finger to conservative sexual values, while attempting to further validate the pseudo-values that rose to prominence in the 1960's. One final point...Turner Classic Movies is clearly "experimenting" with bringing in various young women as introductory narrators to read the teleprompter at the beginning of various films shown on TCM. I suppose this is an attempt to draw in a younger viewing audience. There is a constant attempt to enlarge that financial bottom line. As for me, I still miss Bob Dorian, Nick Clooney and the original AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS channel of the 1980's and 1990's....now known as AMC. It was so pure in content...and quite devoid of commercialism. Many of us have been taken in by the mega financial profits mentality that is now symbolized by the CNN's and the MSNBC's of today. I suppose it was inevitable. But in the end, the important thing is to keep your distance, and maintain a healthy, cynical eye toward it all...and what it represents.
  6. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    It's been a few months since I've visited TCM Message Boards, but I did want to update my comments regarding the "sexual freedom" comments I posted back in May. As I had tried to indicate in my initial posting, I was addressing what is depicted on the film screen...not what goes on in actors' bedrooms in their real lives. I'm not concerned about which actor had an "affair" with whom in their personal lives. At the same time, the sex scene between Michael Douglas and Glenn Close in FATAL ATTRACTION was totally pornographic in nature. But it did serve one useful purpose. It demonstrated how contemporary film directors and screen writers delight in merging the porn genre with the mainstream film genre. It all clearly contributes to why minors are becoming pregnant at the age of twelve or fourteen in today's society. In their immature and underdeveloped minds, they naturally perceive such on screen behavior as the norm, and as "cool"...the thing to do if you are really "with it"...and if you truly want to "fit in" with your peers and be socially accepted. To try and contrast Katherine Hepburn's personal life involving Spencer Tracy (be it alleged or real) with the modern pornographic content of contemporary films such as FATAL ATTRACTION (1987) is ludicrous. One has nothing to do with the other. The images and messages we transplant into the minds of our youth through modern commercial films, on the other hand, is extremely important. The hypocrisy of modern Hollywood goes even further than that though. Hollywood liberals call for more national gun control laws, even as they continue to glamorize gun violence and killing on the screen. Afterall, just like graphic sex, gun violence on the screen makes for greater financial profits. The fact that young minds are subconsciously influenced by these images makes little difference to them. It's the financial bottom line that counts, isn't it. How much did this or that film gross? Like contemporary major league sports, or the TCM Wine Club, it's about business and profits...another way to generate greater revenue...and nothing more. As for me, I am hardly what could be termed a "prude." I have no problem with nude or topless beaches, nor with vacationing at nudist recreational resorts. I apply no moral litmus test to them. Families can frequently be found at such venues. Healthy social attitudes about the human body are fundamentally different in nature from sexual decadence. So I would hardly take offense at the Tarzan movies of the 1930's or 1940's. On the other hand, I have sufficiently high enough cognitive functioning to recognize modern code words as "sexual freedom" and the like for what they are. It's a way of subtly giving the finger to conservative sexual values, while attempting to further validate the pseudo-values that rose to prominence in the 1960's. One final point...Turner Classic Movies is clearly "experimenting" with bringing in various young women as introductory narrators to read the teleprompter at the beginning of various films shown on TCM. I suppose this is an attempt to draw in a younger viewing audience. There is a constant attempt to enlarge that financial bottom line. As for me, I still miss Bob Dorian, Nick Clooney and the original AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS channel of the 1980's and 1990's....now known as AMC. It was so pure in content...and quite devoid of commercialism. Many of us have been taken in by the mega financial profits mentality that is now symbolized by the CNN's and the MSNBC's of today. I suppose it was inevitable. But in the end, the important thing is to keep your distance, and maintain a healthy, cynical eye toward it all...and what it represents.
  7. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    I am FAR from a "prude" when it comes to the topic of human sexuality. In fact, quite the opposite. My objection to such terms as "sexual freedom" is due to the fact that I am quite attuned to code words and terminology, and what it usually portends in contemporary society. The term "sexual freedom" is often code language for blending pornographic content into the mainstream film media...a practice that had mushroomed by the 1980's. I recall for example, the late Katherine Hepburn commenting in a television interview that such films today are "filth"...her terminology, not mine. One outstanding example of this would be the film FATAL ATTRACTION (1987), starring Michael Douglas and Glenn Close. If I wanted to see the pornographic content of that film in a mainstream motion picture, I could simply watch a porn film instead. I don't need to spend $20 at a motion picture theater to see it. In addition, I had no objection to the Tarzan character in the Tarzan films wearing simply a loin cloth, nor would I object to his female companion wearing a "bikini" rather than a dress. If anyone thought that was what I was talking about, then they misunderstood my point.
  8. For your information, I am FAR from a prude when it comes to the topic of human sexuality. In fact, quite the opposite. You don't know me, so I would appreciate it if you would not make judgments about people you do not personally know. My objection to such terms as "sexual freedom" is due to the fact that I am quite attuned to code words and terminology, and what it portends. The term "sexual freedom" is code language in general society for blending pornographic content into the mainstream film media...a practice that began in the late 1960's, and mushroomed after that. I recall for example, the late great Katherine Hepburn commenting in a television interview that such films today are "filth"...her terminology, not mine. One outstanding example of this would be the film FATAL ATTRACTION (1987), starring Michael Douglas and Glenn Close. If I wanted to see this kind of content in a mainstream motion picture, I could simply purchase a porn film. I don't need to spend $20 at a movie theater.     

    1. Sepiatone

      Sepiatone

      I never thought of the term "sexual freedom" as a "code" for "blending pornographic content" into mainstream film media.  Just more or less a referral to injecting more (let's say) sexual frankness  and honesty  into some film story presentation.  Or more or less matters of personal and/or societal  behavior.

      :o

      Wow!  You equate FATAL ATTRACTION with a "porn film", eh?  and yet, claim NOT to be a prude? :wacko:

      Can't IMAGINE what you think about CARNAL KNOWLEDGE('71)  :rolleyes:

      and BTW...I don't recall ever referring to you specifically as being a prude.  So lay off the FaceBook type indignation.  ;)  

      Sepiatone

  9. Philip1749

    Sexual Freedom

    The young, new narrator with the English accent featured on TCM hosted a showing of Tarzan films on Tuesday, May 9th. She referred to the censorship imposed on those films of the 1930's by the movie industry's certification board as a lack of "sexual freedom." Apparently the lead female character was required to wear clothing that was less skimpy than a bikini would be. Is this another example of TCM promoting a liberal position when it comes to traditional social attitudes about sex? It sometimes seems that TCM feels frequently compelled to promote what might be called younger-oriented attitudes about sexuality, perhaps in an attempt to gain a larger television audience of viewers under thirty...thus the need for using terms like "sexual freedom" on the air.
  10. This morning I tried to find the film NIGHT UNTO NIGHT (1949) on WATCH TCM. It was not even listed in the letter "N" section, which ought to display all films whose titles begin with the letter "N". And yet this film was shown on TCM this morning, September 27th, 2017. Can anyone explain why this would be?
  11. Philip1749

    New TCM Hosts

    I can't say I think much of the new TCM on-air hosts. First of all, "teenie bopper" Tiffany Vasquez who is now featured on Saturday afternoons, was a poor choice for a new host. I suspect two things: (1) she was chosen because she had connections with someone in authority at TCM, and (2) because Turner Classic Movies is trying desperately to attract a younger audience. While I understand the latter motive, I still feel she was a poor choice for this position. I also notice that TCM has picked up Bill O'Reilly's former comedy partner Dennis Miller from his old program on Fox News as a new on air host. I hope this is not a permanent thing. TCM seems of late to be picking rather inappropriate and definitely mediocre choices to serve as on air hosts. Frankly unless Ben Mankiewicz is the on air host, I switch to a different channel on my television set until the movie actually comes on. He does an excellent and very convincing job. He also seem emotionally mature and very knowledgeable. On the other hand, I have the distinct impression that Tiffany Vasquez would be totally lost if it were not for a teleprompter being in front of her. I really hope that there are some new and better changes coming to TCM with regard to who are the on air hosts.
  12. The young woman doing tonight's film introduction is from a film school belonging to a southern California university. She stated, "As incredible as it may seem today, pre-marital sex was considered abnormal in the 1930's." I am paraphrasing here, but I have captured the essence of her message on TCM tonight. Well I'm sorry, but there are many of us who are fans of TCM and who very much subscribe to such 'incredible' morality with regard to pre-marital sex...1930's style, or otherwise. This young woman presumes to speak for society at large, apparently. By so doing, she is displaying a kind of naivete of her own, I would say.

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