Salzmank

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  1. Hoping someone can help me with this. I just rewatched The Black Swan (1942), which I recorded from TCM the other day. I’m sure most of you know it, but if not it’s a fun swashbuckler with a great supporting performance by Laird Cregar, who ends up walking away with the picture. Anyway, I’d seen the movie before, and I could have sworn that it ended with Cregar taking his place back in Jamaica and exposing Maureen O’Hara’s lily-livered original boyfriend (she falls in love with Tyrone Power by fade-out, of course) as a traitor. I still can’t believe that’s not the ending in the version I just watched. Is there another version of it like that? I can’t find anything online that says so, but the version I had watched was the DVD, and as I said what I just watched on TCM. If not, am I conflating it with another movie—is there another pirate movie that ends with a traitor being exposed in a parliament? I could have sworn this was it. Thanks very much in advance.
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    I had this mystery on IMDb when it had its boards, I have it on IMDb v2.0's boards now, I have it on Rotten Tomatoes' boards, on IMDf's boards, I've contacted people who worked on the film, librarians, music historians, singers... All that is to say we're no closer to an answer than when I first posted this mystery nearly a year ago. The question is simple: who sang the three Cole Porter songs in the movie Sleuth (1972) The answer is far from simple, sending me down a rabbit hole of false leads and red herrings. I started with the post a year ago on IMDb, after finding out that the mystery had been going around the Internet for at least ten years: We came to the conclusion, verified by several music experts, that it was not in fact a '30s singer who sang the songs, but rather someone hired specially for the movie to imitate the '30s style. That was when the IMDb boards shut down, and this mystery kind of got fragmented among several different websites. I've been up and down looking for this silly thing. My latest attempt was reaching out to singer and music historian Michael Feinstein, who posted the mystery to his Facebook page and received no conclusive answer. Before that, I e-mailed Graham V. Hartstone, one of the few Sleuth crew members still with us, and he also had no idea. Can anyone help? Does anyone know a way to find this answer at long last? As said, it has been floating around the Internet for at least ten years, yet we still don't know. Relevant Links: http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/forum/displayquestion.php?topicid=7598 http://imdb2.freeforums.net/post/810/thread https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1715334931829080&id=304543142908273&__tn__=%2AW-R Many thanks!
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Hey, so it’s been a long time since I posted here—my apologies. I just got sidetracked with other stuff. @MovieCollectorOH, I haven’t exactly ruled out Cliff Edwards, but I’m almost positive now that it was a singer hired for the movie. In addition to all the other reasons, someone else interested in this also e-mailed Graham Hartstone, and Hartstone remembered the producer hiring someone—he wasn’t sure who it was, though. @Sgt_Markoff, Mudcat came back with nothing, unfortunately. One person responded to say that every source he tried had no idea. Slightly less sure about Kernan now. Starting to think, not for the first time, that we’ll never figure this one out.
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    @Sgt_Markoff, I’ve posted it to Mudcat. Will let you know if/when anyone gets back to me there.
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Thanks, everyone. Just wondering… based on the clips above, do you guys think it’s Kernan?
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Ah! No one has mentioned that, Sgt_Markoff. Thanks, I’ll try there. I’d like to see if someone can verify Kernan; if so, I’ll (at long, LONG last) mark this one a “solved.”
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Thank you, @Sgt_Markoff. I should let you know that it’s almost definitely not an authentic record from the ‘30s, as it appears to be—I’ve talked to several different sources, including several music professors, who told me that for a number or reasons related to the recording, it’s probably contemporaneous with the movie (‘70s), made to sound like a ‘30s recording. (It particularly sounds like Al Bowlly and Frank Luther, but the vocals aren’t actually either man’s.) Also: I’ve been reluctant to post this because I have no evidence for it, but at IMDb v2.0 we’ve stumbled one the most convincing candidate yet (in my opinion) for the identity of the singer—David Kernan. He worked in theatre on Broadway and the West End as well as in the film business, he’d sung Porter before, he’d previously worked with Michael Caine in Zulu, and the vocals sound remarkably close. I’ve tried to find any contact information for Kernan, to no avail, and every other source to which I’ve reached out (I couldn’t find an agent, but I did find organizations with which he’s affiliated) hasn’t gotten back to me. Here’s the Sleuth singer again: And here’s Kernan singing a Porter medley: https://youtu.be/HyVqj-4Z3UI
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    Please Help Identify This Murder Mystery

    Both The Chinese Cat (1944) and Scared Stiff (1945) have a chess piece as a major clue for their mysteries. I’ve seen the former but not the latter; could one of those be it?
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Hi, everyone— Just bumping this. None of the stations ever got back to me, for better or worse. Anyone interested? Have some more information? Thanks.
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    Title for an old horror film

    I’m sure you’re right; it’s just that we’ve fairly exhausted options for talkies. There were a few experts on the Monster Kid Classic Horror Forum, and they’d never heard of it. On the other hand, the OP couldn’t remember for sure what language it was in (though he thought English), so I suppose that goes to suggest there was dialogue.
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    Title for an old horror film

    Question, though: could it be Rex Ingram’s The Magician (1926)?
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    Title for an old horror film

    Anyway, Hitchcock’s The Manxman (’29) is available in its entirety here. https://ok.ru/video/290212809294
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    Title for an old horror film

    @MovieCollectorOH Not ruling anything out, and I’ll check them out (and hope that he does), but I’d be shocked if, in the plot synopses, there were no mention of such important elements as gypsies, a tower, or hypnotism.
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    Title for an old horror film

    Thanks, @MovieCollectorOH. I’ve just now checked those, and neither really seems to align with what @mattspease wrote, which only makes me think more that he’s conflating two (or more) different movies. Indeed, that would have to be, if he definitely remembers it on TCM, unless “his” movie happened to be in that ’98-’99 gap, correct?
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    Title for an old horror film

    Any news here, @MovieCollectorOH (or anyone else)?
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    Title for an old horror film

    Yeah, @MovieCollectorOH, there always seem to be a few apparently insoluble ones that pique my interest—damn that Sleuth singer! While I now lean towards @mattspease’s having conflated two or more movies, as I said, I could be wrong, and I’d be happy to be wrong; I’d very much like him to find “his” movie. Thanks very much for offering to look again, though I’m sorry to hear that it’s missing a year and a half! I’ll be happy to help if I can do anything.
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    Title for an old horror film

    Bumping this thread, as I tried to help @mattspease with this question on the Classic Horror Film Board. I see that Matt reached out to @MovieCollectorOH on the thread that @scsu1975 recommended, but I don’t think MovieCollection responded (unless it was in a PM?). Neither I not anyone on the CHFB was able to find it; we eventually came to the conclusion that it was possibly a conflation of Caravan ’46 and Uncle Silas ’47 (or possibly an adaptation of Svengali), but we could be wrong. This one greatly intrigued me.
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Thanks, Arsan. Both I and someone else on IMDb v2.0 have reached out to Warner Bros. Publishing, and they never responded to either one of us, unfortunately. I'll look into that, thanks. By the way, the station in Boston never responded to e-mails or calls, so they're out. I don't have much time to devote to this now, but I can see if a station in New York can help. Thanks again, guys!
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Slayton, I live in Massachusetts, and I've reached out to MassJazz. If they're unsuccessful, I may try a station in New York. Many thanks.
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    MovieCollector, I (and others who have looked into this mystery before) have considered Bowlly for a long, long time, and we sent the Sleuth clip to a music professor who's an expert on Bowlly. He actually wrote back to say that (1) that it's not Bowlly, (2) that it may be someone copying Bowlly's (and Frank Luther's) style, and (3) that it is most likely not from the '30s but rather made for the moving, imitating the '30s style. Still, many thanks for the interest and the help!
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    I've sent several e-mails off to music boards and companies, to no avail thus far. Just to let everyone here know...
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    Singer in "Sleuth"

    Thanks for the help, Slaytonf. I'll definitely try to reach out to a few of those sites/stations. I'd just like to have this solved at long last. Thanks again.

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