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    JAMESJAZZGUITA, Guess I was generalizing. Never considered the ones put out by "major studios" were Film Noir --- just good movies and I have always watched. The ones I referred to are the independent studio ones. They're kinda like watching old Sci-Fi movies; somewhat cheesey but you still find yourself watching them. Funny how crime doesn't pay whether it be a "A" or "B" film, but as you said the "B" bad guy is generally knocked off with a "he deserved it" perspective. I said I just recently started watch Film Noir, so thanks for pointing out I have been watching them all along! Errol/Olivia --- the Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan of that time. Stacy/Hepburn are probably considered "the" pairing and were great together, but the Errol/Oliva pairing had a real spark arcing between them. Above and Beyond has been on TCM a couple of times over the past few years.
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    TopBilled, I'm a "tolerant of all political/religious views" type, BUT I'm also a "don't shove your views down my throat" type. By the same token I'm neither liberal or conservative; guess I'd be classified as a "fence sitter" untill I make up my mind as to whether I'm liberal or conservative on a subject. I watch movies like Inherit the Wind and Grapes of Wrath the same way. Would anyone argue the way the "downtrodden man" or "teacher" were treated was justified? It was just plain wrong and if that comes across in a liberal or conservative fashion, what's the difference? It made you think and question how this could have happened.
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    Now that I thought about it more Grapes of Wrath: Thought it was extremely well done depicting the plight of the everyday man during the Depression. Brought across how humans can be compassionate, but also our brutalness towards one another. All the King's Men: Lines up pretty well with Huey Long's career and how "dirty" politics were and are. Boom Town: Depicted the greed and shortsightedness of the oil companies even in 1940. Tracy's courtroom speech was outstanding and predicted 78 years ago where we stand with oil today! Inherit the Wind: Good depiction of the Scopes Trial, which in turn addressed McCarthyism, which I consider one of the a low points in US history. Tracy as Drummond (Clarence Darrow) and March as Brady (William Jenning Bryan) are perfectly cast. Again Stacy's speech addressing fanaticsim and ignorance is classic and thought provoking. The Best Years of Our Lives: Fictional, but it clearly is an accurate portrayal of what returning servicemen and thier families faced after WW II. Returning home, battle weary ex-servicemen were faced with yet another battle. While they are all glad to be out of the service, they still desperately cling to the camaraderie combat has given them; the only thing they can be sure of. Whole cast is great, but Dana Andrews can hang his hat on this one. Standout scenes are: Loy's (Milly Stepnenson) very believable "uneasiness" when she brings Al breakfast in bed. March's (Al Stephenson) dinner speech where he "bites the hand that feeds him" and politely "calls out" the banker's GI loan practices. Harold (Homer Parrish) reflects on the high school photos of himself playing sports Harold lies in bed and finally realizes that the loss of his forearms has not changed O'Donnel's (Wilma) love for him. How can anyone not be moved as that tear rolls from the corner of his eye! You know he has finally "made it home." Andrew's (Fred Derry) walk through the aircraft graveyard is simply spellbinding.
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    Don't misunderstand me, I love good movies, especially the old ones. I'll take a movie at face value and enjoy watching it without critiquing things about it. Example: Santa Fe Trail ---it doesn't bother me that, going by the movie, Jeb Stuart (1854) and George Custer (1861) graduated from West Point at the same time, or that together they captured John Brown, when in reality it was Robert E Lee and Jeb Stuart. I just sit back and enjoy it as a good old movie. Raymond Massey played a great John Brown. I know movies are simply a trip to fanatsyland. The things Errol Flynn pulls off are unbelievable, but its still enjoyable to watch him doing it. Wonder if Errol could coup with dealing with today's "inappropriate behavior" atmosphere. I just brought up Tora! Tora! Tora! because it has always irked me that it gets slammed ("if you like seeing cardboard ships blowing up"), after all the work that went into making it. My thing is that MAJOR history event movies should strictly stick to the facts. I could deal with movie like Battle of the Bulge if it was simply made as a war film and titled something like say Down But Not Out. Off the top of my head; studio-era films that are historically accurate would be: Pride of the Marines: I've read that John Garfield had a lot to do with keeping it on the straight and narrow. Then again telling a story like that really needs no embelishment. Thirty Seconds Over Toyko: Stuck to the facts; wouldn't consider it a wartime propaganda film. Above and Beyond: Stuck to facts and a good character study of Tibbets and the enormous pressures he had to deal with. Twelve O'clock High: A fictional story, but incorporates factual events experienced by aircrew members; main characters based on real 8th Air Force officers. What's you opinion of them? I just recently got into watching the Film Noir movies. They're pretty "assembly line" B movies, but still, I've gotten to like watching them.
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    I agree that it wasn't a documentary in the true sense of the word, but I find it to presents the facts better then some so called "historical documentations" out there. I also agree that the Japanese perspective was presented in an unbiased manner. The fact that it was brought out that US sanctions against Japan played a major role in things and the attack wasn't simple Japan waking up one morning and deciding "Hey! Let's attack the US for the hell of it!" I'm sure showing all the US blunders leading up to the attack probably didn't sit well with US movie goers, but history is history. Its no different then how in the aftermath of 9-11, people didn't like hearing how there were numerous warning signs that something was coming and US government "dropped the ball." Funny how we have all these intelligence agencies gathering information, but as it goes up the ladder it gets ignored. "Those that cannot remember the past are condemend to repeat it" --- George Santayana. Like everyone else, I watch movies to be entertained. However, I'm a history person and when a historical event is the subject of a movie, I guess I'm looking more to "witness" that event rather then be entertained. In Macarthur, his stupidity in the Philippines is convieniently omitted and glossed over in Korea. That's beyond "artistic liberties" in my book. Appllo 13 is a good example of a movie being factual and entertaining as well, so it can be done.
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    Just curious as to other's opinions as to why Tora! Tora! Tora! seems to have always gotten trash reviews? Being it is as historically correct as you can get, is that the problem --- not entertaining enough? While the more recent Pearl Harbor might be entertaining, that's all it is! There's little based on fact, and even then it's a looooong stretch of the truth. Given when it was made in 1969, the amount of effort that was put into making Tora! Tora! Tora! was huge. Without CGI at thier disposal, 99% of what appears on film were real three dimensional objects, created for the film. Check out the Internet, there are several "making of the movie" sites, but Tora! Tora! Tora! - The making of the movie - American Production gives the most detailed insight. Being Tora! Tora! Tora! was a box office disappointment, the followup film Midway seemed to be a compromise. Pretty much accurate, but made "entertaining" with relationships, subplots and high profile actors and very little effort put into effects and props. Guess it worked, as Midway did better at the box office. Perhaps someday Tora! Tora! Tora! will get credit for accurately documenting one of the most decisive events in US history! To watch it is a history lesson that hasn't been altered by "revised history" or being "politically correct." It is simply the way it was.

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