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Alec is back. Too bad
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Re: Alec is back. Too bad
Posted: Mar 24, 2010 8:47 PM   in response to: brijit in response to: brijit
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Although I don't agree with Alec on some things, his conversations with RO are wonderful to listen to...I like to hear what he has to say.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2010 3:58 PM   in response to: skeeter57 in response to: skeeter57
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Don't like Alec...he is way too self important. Robert O is wonderful.
Try asking someone who has actual knowledge not just opinions.........we ALL have those!

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Posted: Mar 14, 2010 8:15 AM   in response to: skeeter57 in response to: skeeter57
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I am glad to see him back. For me, he brings alot of knowledge and love for the movies with him. Just love his acting too. Glad to see him back!

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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 6:25 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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I certainly hope Baldwin's being on the Essentials does not mean he is being considered to replace Robert Osborne. I listened to some of his radio program before it was cancelled due to lack of audience and he could not put 2 words together spontaneously. I cannot help but believe they must have plenty of cue cards for him on Essentials after his performance on the radio. I agree that Anthony Hopkins would be a valuable addition to TCM. Does he still use his title after becoming an American citizen? Perhaps someone out there knows.

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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 3:41 PM   in response to: HollywoodGoligh... in response to: HollywoodGoligh...
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I appreciate Alec and his great humor , But please bring back the Quintessential Sir. Anthony Hopkins. A truly brilliant Actor and Gentleman. !

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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:56 AM   in response to: voranis in response to: voranis
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"I didn't mean to suggest an ulterior motive. I just think it's preferential treatment--apparently they didn't like Carrie Fisher or Rose McGowan much, so they only kept them on a year each..." - voranis

Well, not to "slam" the ladies but by the end of Rose McGowan's edition of "The Essentials", women had been co-hosts three years in a row. (Molly Haskell/Carrie Fisher/Rose McGowan) And while each brought something of value to the series, they all made statements that were less than enthusiastic about certain titles - which sort of ran contrary to the purpose of the program. But I enjoyed each of the women for different reasons.

"I'm sure there are other celebrities who love the channel and who love classic film and who are in the public eye on a regular basis who would love to co-host..."

Maybe. But they may be keeping their "love" to themselves and not letting it be known to TCM. It is important not to confuse being a fan of certain older films with being truly well-versed in the the broad canon of Classic films necessary to host a series like "The Essentials". I think Alec Baldwin can carry a long conversation with Robert Osborne on the same level of expertise that RO has. I don't think there are many out there that can do that. I certainly couldn't - though I got a very flattering compliment passed along to me from "my producer" after my stint across from Robert Osborne last year.

"I think there are other celebrities who could be given a chance as co-host who would bring new viewers at no cost to the channel. Or is Mr. Baldwin the only one who has co-hosted at no cost to the channel?"

I didn't mean Alec Baldwin's co-hosting cost nothing to the channel. I am sure he was paid nicely for this second engagement opposite Robert Osborne. I was trying to express that with Alec Baldwin co-hosting the program offered opportunities for the program to publicized/promoted in new areas without TCM having to pay for that publicity. Ben Mankiewicz's stint on "At The Movies" (where he was billed as "Turner Classic Movies Weekend Host") offered the similar opportunities.

"He seems too arrogant--I think the earlier post about him being "full of himself" at the Oscars is how I see him all the time. I'm sick of seeing him each week and was really hoping to see someone else take over. I'm even sick of seeing the commercials they run of The Essentials with him in it."

You don't like him on a presonal level. That's fine. At least you're honest about it. It's just too bad you can't set aside those feelings to judge the positive qualities he brings to the program. But there were many people that felt the same about Rose McGowan ("She was hired only because of her legs."), Carrie Fisher ("She got the job because of her mother.") or Molly Haskell ("Does everything have to be about the Women's viewpoint?").

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 7:17 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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I suppose they already knew Baldwin was chosen to co-host the Oscars when he was invited back?I

I don't think so. Alec was announced as returning for a second season of Essentials last September. He was announced as co-host of the Oscars in late January of this year.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 4:25 PM   in response to: lzcutter in response to: lzcutter
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I suppose they already knew Baldwin was chosen to co-host the Oscars when he was invited back?I

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 4:25 PM   in response to: lzcutter in response to: lzcutter
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I suppose they already knew Baldwin was chosen to co-host the Oscars when he was invited back?I

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 12:47 PM   in response to: voranis in response to: voranis
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I just think it's preferential treatment--apparently they didn't like Carrie Fisher or Rose McGowan much, so they only kept them on a year each, but they're drooling all over Alec Baldwin, so they're keeping him on longer. Or did Fisher and McGowan not want to stay on longer?

Carrie Fisher had a book to finish, a book tour and a stint on Broadway in her future when she finished The Essentials, Rose McGowan may not have wanted to do another year or may have had a movie role that conflicted.

It could also be that Robert Osborne enjoys doing The Essentials with Alec Baldwin so much that he pushed for Baldwin to be invited back. They certainly seem to enjoy each others company and they seem to have fun sharing information about the films.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 10:16 AM   in response to: voranis in response to: voranis
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I think the "celebrity programmer" thing is in part an audition for a future Essentials co-host.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 10:16 AM   in response to: voranis in response to: voranis
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Re: Alec is back. Too bad
Posted: Mar 9, 2010 2:56 AM   in response to: HollywoodGoligh... in response to: HollywoodGoligh...
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HollywoodGolightly wrote:
And in addition to those things others have just mentioned - he's also an Oscar co-host.

I'd say TCM is getting a pretty good deal by having him co-host a weekly series.


Steve Martin also co-hosted the Oscars--how about getting him to co-host The Essentials? All of the things that have been mentioned about Baldwin do not apply exclusively to Baldwin--surely there are other celebrities that have similar attributes, so they are not a reason not to have other celebrities get a turn to co-host...

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Posted: Mar 9, 2010 2:53 AM   in response to: HarryLong in response to: HarryLong
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HarryLong wrote:
Look on the bright side... I understand Ben Lyons is looking for a gig...
I think Alec is OK (though I personally preferred Carrie Fisher who wasn't afraid to co0ntradicts Osborne; her "Oh, please; just because a film is old doesn't make it a classic" was priceless).
But I cannot fathom avoiding a two hour movie just because of a few minute intro segment.

I've seen all the movies they show on The Essentials, so I'm not really avoiding the movie just because of the intro. I mostly tune in to movies on TCM I have already seen just for the commentary, whether it's Robert Osborne or Ben M. or a guest programmer, but I'm not going to tune in when Alec Baldwin is doing it.

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Re: Alec is back. Too bad
Posted: Mar 9, 2010 2:46 AM   in response to: hlywdkjk in response to: hlywdkjk
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hlywdkjk wrote:
"...if TCM is going to show this kind of bias, I may stop watching." - voranis

While I won't dispute with your personal feelings about Alec Baldwin - what you feel is honest for you - but don't think there is some ulterior motive or something dishonest to having Alec Baldwin co-host for two years. The first years of The Essentials had hosts whose duties lasted two years - Rob Reiner and Sidney Pollack - so it isn't unprecedented.


I didn't mean to suggest an ulterior motive. I just think it's preferential treatment--apparently they didn't like Carrie Fisher or Rose McGowan much, so they only kept them on a year each, but they're drooling all over Alec Baldwin, so they're keeping him on longer. Or did Fisher and McGowan not want to stay on longer?

I was curious about some of the previous hosts of The Essentials. I would have loved to have seen Rob Reiner co-hosting but I only watched TCM occasionally back then and had not become a true fan. If the Wikipedia page is correct, Reiner and and Pollack were hosts before Robert Osborne began co-hosting in 2006. Since Osborne became co-host in 2006, the new format has consistently been a new co-host each year...until an exception was made for Baldwin. So yes, I do consider it bias. I don't think citing the length of service of the hosts during a period in which the show had a different format is a fair comparison or is a good establishment of "precedent."


And in Alec Baldwin TCM has a co-host that truly loves the channel (see this month's "Now Playing: The Show" program) that not only stars in a network sitcom every week but also hosts New York Philharmonic Symphony radio broadcasts this year. I am sure TCM is happy to have one of their "personalities" out there in the public eye every week.

But I'm sure there are other celebrities who love the channel and who love classic film and who are in the public eye on a regular basis who would love to co-host, so the fact that Baldwin is a fan of the channel and of classic film should not be a reason to have to keep him on longer than whatever the traditional hosting length of time has been. I am worried they are going to make him permanent co-host. I enjoy his movie roles when he is playing some other character--as a matter of fact, I think he's a very good actor, but I just don't like listening to him when he's just himself. He seems too arrogant--I think the earlier post about him being "full of himself" at the Oscars is how I see him all the time. I'm sick of seeing him each week and was really hoping to see someone else take over. I'm even sick of seeing the commercials they run of The Essentials with him in it.


I don't know if such exposure of Mr. Baldwin will bring new viewers to TCM - but it is possible. And it is all at no cost to the channel. So it sounds like a "win-win" to me. And probably to TCM too.

It's just not a win-win for me. I think there are other celebrities who could be given a chance as co-host who would bring new viewers at no cost to the channel. Or is Mr. Baldwin the only one who has co-hosted at no cost to the channel?

Or maybe they are having a hard time getting co-hosts and are lucky to be able to keep Alec Baldwin as co-host? I hadn't looked at it that way. I had assumed many celebrities would jump at the chance but maybe most celebrities are not fans of the channel? I hadn't thought of that.

But I would think that there are plenty of celebrities who are (1) fans of the channel, (2) fans of classic film, (3) able to bring out bits of obscure facts about the films (surely no one is claiming Baldwin is the only co-host who has done this or who can do this?), and (4) is in the public eye enough to be good for TCM. So all these reasons don't to me seem to be enough to make an exception for Baldwin--I think there must be some personal bias at the network for him. And that's fine, since they have the right to make their own choices...and I have the right to protest and not watch if they give preferential treatment to co-hosts I don't care for.