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If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 14, 2010 11:06 PM   in response to: Gellar47 in response to: Gellar47
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Gellar47 wrote:
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As for Louise Tracy, ask yourself why knowing, as she must have, that he was rampantly unfaithful to her and that he wasn't living with her for years, why did she not divorce him? The answer isn't because of their son or the Clinic. She would have got most of Tracy's assets in a divorce. She wasn't going to lose out financially and there was certainly no religious prohibition from her end. So what was Louise thinking?

You know that is a very good point. Ive read several books about both Hepburn and Tracy and all of them seem content to settle for the Catholic/Clinic explanation. The only thing I think of is that either she was reflecting the attitudes of her time (That men were bound to stray and women just had to put up with it--see The Women, The Philadelphia Story , etc) or she was stopped from doing so by MGM, which had a lot of power in LA at the time. They wouldn't have wanted their "wholesome" Father Falnnagan involved in a messy divorce, especially if the infidelities and drinking came out. It could also be that she was too proud (or possibly in serious denial) While it was humiliating enough to have her husband cheating on her, it would have been far worse to have it become public knowledge beyond Hollywood. As long as it wasn't being splashed all over the tabloids (which came in in the late 40's and early 50's I believe) she could say it wasn't true, it was just rumors.


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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 14, 2010 2:02 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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Hepburn said that she liked living an independent life. She said that she didn't want to be married to anyone because that would require her to fulfill the role of a wife (including having children) with all that requires. She also said that one of the great appeals of the relationship with Tracy was that he was available while not being available. It seems pretty clear that the relationship with Tracy suited her quite well. If they had been married, could she have gone off to Australia for six months to do a Shakespeare tour and spends months away from him while touring in plays? Would she have instead, as a married woman, been restrained by her responsibilities? I think so. She really did have it both ways and she had, what she described, as a delightful companion. What you want to do is apply your conventional ideas about what makes people happy to Katharine Hepburn. Your ideas about what makes someone happy are irrelevant in this case.

As for Louise Tracy, ask yourself why knowing, as she must have, that he was rampantly unfaithful to her and that he wasn't living with her for years, why did she not divorce him? The answer isn't because of their son or the Clinic. She would have got most of Tracy's assets in a divorce. She wasn't going to lose out financially and there was certainly no religious prohibition from her end. So what was Louise thinking?

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM   in response to: Marysara in response to: Marysara
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Yes, you are right that Grant wasn't told that her family was very, very rich and he did come to the side door because he felt that she must of been one of the servants.

So that implies that she withheld the fact she was part of the super rich from him and I have to assume she did this because she didn't wish to scare him off. i.e. get him to fall in love with her first and then spring the truth on him. Hey, her plan worked but of course backfired.

Now one important point; It isn't necessary to tell someone one meets on a holiday that they are part of the super rich (or other personal details) IF that doesn't impact the basic nature of their character. But in her case being rich and spoiled DEFINES her. It is what she is all about. Thus the deception was only going to blow up in her face.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 7, 2010 5:16 AM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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I have my own theory, about Holiday as the title implies, he met her on vacation. Didn't he even go to the back door thinking she worked there? Maybe while she was away from her family's influence she was a different person. As in the movies of that era Having Wonderful Time Ginger Roger's character acted rich.People sometimes behave differently while on vacation, than they normally do.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 6, 2010 5:57 PM   in response to: Kinokima in response to: Kinokima
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Yes, I agree that in Holiday the father and sister one dimensional. In fact it is hard to believe Grant's character would of fallen for her. i.e. what did he see in her since in the film there is nothing of substance in her. (now my wife says she understands why the sister, even being shallow, fell for Grant: HE WAS GRANT!!!).

We also see eye to eye on the Philly story. That father is just a cad. How his daughter has major issues but to me those are more the fault of the father than the other way around.

With regards to Baby; yea I don't find it not being very moving a fault since it is a screwball comedy. Hawk directed it for laughs and on that level it is very successfull.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:35 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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I really love Holiday because I find it quite charming in its message and simplicity. However one negative thing I can say about it is I found the sister and father somewhat one dimensional. It's probably the sweetest of the three films.

Phila Story I love except for Kate's father telling her it is her fault he had an affair. That scene always bothered me. Of course the classic scene with Grant & a drunk Stewart is hilarious. I also think the film has the best dialog of the three. And I just love sophisticated romantic comedies, the type we really no longer have.

As for Bringing up Baby yes it isn't moving necessarily but I don't consider that a fault. It makes me laugh which is what it sets out to do. Mind you BUB seems to be a very polarizing where many people think it is too zany or Katharine's character too over the top but I adore that aspect of it. For me pretty much every scene gets a laugh and I love that all the characters are a bit loony. Just thinking about the movie makes me laugh. :)

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 4, 2010 5:17 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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I disagree about "Baby". I'm very moved at what lengths Hepburn will go to to have Grant. Like giving him $1 million for one thing.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 4, 2010 2:01 PM   in response to: Kinokima in response to: Kinokima
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Holiday is my favorite but because it has a message about live and it really moved me when I first saw it just starting out in the business world. At the time I was all business and thus making good but I also was missing out on life. This movie helped me balance. I also find it the most romantic.

Phily Story is the most well constructed of the three but Kate is a turn off since her character is so cold. I find it interesting that that booze is key to the story; Grant needs to stay off of it and Kate needs to have a drink or two to become a human being!

Baby is screwball all the way. Funny of course but lacking in terms of being moving like the other two.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 3, 2010 8:40 PM   in response to: cujas in response to: cujas
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I can never decide between Phila Story & Baby as my favorite Hepburn/Grant. Baby is absolutely hilarious but I love the sophisticated wit in Phila Story & it has Stewart. Ah it's so tough for me to decide.

Holiday is wonderful too.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 3, 2010 7:36 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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Yes, that clearly looks like a make up call to me, but his role is a strange one since I assume he had just as much if not more screen time than Grant but the movie centers around the Grant \ Hepburn relationship. Thus Stewart's role is a lead role but the movie isn't a Stewart movie.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:46 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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I'm absolutely with you--I love "Baby" and "Holiday" equally--it's like loving different sides of their screen personalities.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 3, 2010 2:41 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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I think Stewart's Oscar proves that the Academy was trying to make it up to him for not giving him the Oscar for MR. SMITH the previous year.

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 1, 2010 8:35 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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jamesjazzguitar wrote:
I don't think we are that far apart on this topic. I note you make this point: Is some happiness better than no happiness at all?

This implies Kate settled. I believe this was the case, but that is not a role model for an independent 'do it my way' women. Not at all in fact.

This is why I say Kate was somewhat phony. Based on what I know about Tracy he wasn't all that nice (it fact some say down right mean), and Kate settled for that, all because of 'love'? Again, not the actions of a free sprit, I did it my way, type of gal.

Now to be fair to Kate many women, especially given the era, had to settle for men that didn't give them a fair shake. I understand that. My knock on Kate is that she acted all high and mightly about it saying that this is how she wanted it. I'm just not buying that. Now I'm not saying this means that a women has to be married to live a full life. But if one is going to have relationships no independent person would of settled for what Kate settled for. That is the myth of Kate \ Tracy.

But the funny part of all this is that for most people Kate \ Tracy is one of the great Hollywood love stories. To me it is a somewhat tragic story especially from the point of view of Tracy's wife. Most people pretent she didn't even exist.

I've read in several bios that one reason she may have fallen in love with Tracy was that he acted a lot like her father. Don't know if that's true, but it would make sense--he was a lot like her father, without her father's self-discipline--so maybe a flawed or broken version of her dad that she wanted to fix?


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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 1, 2010 3:43 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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Your right about that but Kate isn't very romantic in that one (well expect at the very end or when she is drunk!).

Also Steward is really more of the lead in that one in many ways (and he has a oscar to prove it!).

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Re: If you could ask Katharine Hepburn a question....
Posted: Sep 1, 2010 2:57 PM   in response to: jamesjazzguitar in response to: jamesjazzguitar
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...or THE PHILADELPHIA STORY.