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Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Permlink Replies: 106 - Pages: 8 [ Previous | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 | Next ] - Original Post: Jun 2, 2012 5:28 PM Original Post By: JefCostello

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 4:46 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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Since everyone's talking about SUSPICION, I'll chime in my two cents. Although I agree that it seems hastily thrown in that Cary isn't the killer, I have to say that even if he was the killer I wouldn't believe it of Cary Grant's character in that film. So that being said I have to agree with something someone else said on this thread, which is that IF they weren't going to have Cary be the killer and make it a false-accusation movie, they couldn't just end the movie where they did the way they did with the hasty wrap-up without revealing that the whole time the killer was some other character in the film. So to conclude, no matter how you look at it, it's a disappointing ending.

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 4:29 PM   in response to: finance in response to: finance
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fi, baby, this is a case in point of how confusion can sometimes prevail on these threads, when there are two or three disparate conversations going on at the same time.
I do believe Hibi was alluding to No Country for Old Men when she speaks of an "unsatisfying ending". But she was also discussing Suspicion ( as were many here) and I think maybe you got the posts about these two films mixed up, understandably, I may add.

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 4:11 PM   in response to: Hibi in response to: Hibi
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No flaw. The studio was unwilling to accept Grant as a killer. Hitch's hand was forced.

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:56 PM   in response to: misswonderly in response to: misswonderly
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Yes, I thought that was a flaw in the film. You are rooting for the character through the whole film, then near the end when he dies, you never see him die. I felt cheated. He's a major character. The first time I saw it, I wasnt sure he WAS dead at first, it was so clumsily handled..........

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:51 PM   in response to: TopBilled in response to: TopBilled
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Didnt' Fontaine's character mail a letter informing the police her husband poisoned her? (so he wouldnt get away with it) I think that's what the films original ending was..........So he does kill her, but he gets it in the end..........A much better ending than the compromise (leave em leaving happy.........)

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:31 PM   in response to: FredCDobbs in response to: FredCDobbs
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FredCDobbs wrote

But, hey, this is a modern film, and modern audiences of teenagers have no ability to think. They like chases, explosions, shoot-outs, monsters, and murder, and that's what they got in this film.

Since, whether you like them or not, the Coen Brothers are recognized as among the most intelligent filmmakers around today, that seems like an unfair and inaccurate description of their movies.
The type of film you describe, "chases, explosions, shoot-outs, monsters, and murder..." is certainly popular today ( and probably always has been, for that matter) but it's an oversimplification and misunderstanding of the Coens' work to put them in this category.
And most teenagers do not like Coen brothers movies, nor are the sort of mindless explosion-loving young people the kind of audience for whom the Coens make their films.

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:11 PM   in response to: FredCDobbs in response to: FredCDobbs
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FredCDobbs wrote:

At the very end of the film I smelled a sequel, since Anton Chigurh survived, leaving alive his strong and interesting character, who police can never find, and thus he will be available for future films.

So, where’s the sequel?


Probably a lot of us would like to see Anton get his, myself included. But, the Coens don't do sequels. If they were ever going to do a sequel, it would probably have been for The Big Lebowski.

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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:08 PM   in response to: skimpole in response to: skimpole
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skimpole wrote:L.A. Confidential is my choice. The film is very elaborate and clever, until the last half hour where it becomes a conventional vigilante movie.

I think the ending is clever too, but perhaps a bit too clever. It has appeal to me, but is just a bit too neat and tidy.

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 12:41 PM   in response to: darkblue in response to: darkblue
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I liked No Country for Old Men, but I though there were a few plot holes in it. Such as a downtown shootout on the streets at night, with lots of gunfire noise, but everyone in town seems to be fast asleep during all of this, and the town seems to have no policemen on duty.

The same in the murder scenes in the old hotel. There seems to be no one at all staying at that hotel except for the filmÂ’s small cast and the hotelÂ’s desk clerk.

And then the cowboy walks back across the border dressed only in a hospital nightgown, he walks past a heavily fortified Border Patrol checkpoint in that condition, and he is allowed into the country with no I.D., no questions asked, all bandaged up, and struggling to stay on his feet. IÂ’ve never personally experienced such a lax border patrol crossing anywhere along the Mexican border.

The hero has a million dollars in cash, yet he doesnÂ’t really leave town very far, with his whole family, and hide out a long distance away. For example, he doesnÂ’t take a bus for New York, Chicago, or San Francisco, where he could have easily hidden out, even with the beeper in his suitcase, since that type of beeper is only good for a range of about 10 to 20 miles.

At the very end of the film I smelled a sequel, since Anton Chigurh survived, leaving alive his strong and interesting character, who police can never find, and thus he will be available for future films.

So, whereÂ’s the sequel?

Oh, and the sheriff made a serious tactical law enforcement mistake, when he heard and saw a shootout taking place at a motel, and he decided to pull into the motel to see who was shot, rather than pursue the shooters who he saw getting away.

But, hey, this is a modern film, and modern audiences of teenagers have no ability to think. They like chases, explosions, shoot-outs, monsters, and murder, and that's what they got in this film.

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 11:58 AM   in response to: chaney7 in response to: chaney7
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In spite of what I posted earlier, I liked the ending of Castaway . The movie already put foreward the notion that life is uncertain: Hank's character had his life sewed up, so it seemed to him. After coming back from that fateful trip, he was going to marry the girl of his dreams and live happily ever after. But then that plane crash! In the next four years, as he struggled for survival, his girl, thinking him dead, has moved on. When he returned, he realized the life he thought he'd come back to wasn't availed to him anymore. Leaving that one package unopened gave him some impetus to survive, and finally unwittingly meeting the woman to whom that package was to be delivered to until he saw that butterfly symbol on her truck left him, and us with a feeling of intrigue. Will he pursue that girl, or won't he? So what if he does? After what he's been through, what's the worst that could happen?

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 11:58 AM   in response to: darkblue in response to: darkblue
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darkblue, although I disagree with your assessment of No Country for Old Men, I enjoyed the way you articulated that assessment. A very nicely-written piece indeed.

However, unlike you, I feel that NCFOM does stand up to muliple viewings. I'm fascinated by the characters, especially the two leads. Also by sad, resigned, philosophical Tommy Lee Jones' sheriff.

And even though I know the outcome of the plot, I still find many of the cat and mouse scenes between Llewelyn Moss and Anton Chigurh suspenseful. (After all, we don't re-watch Hitchcock films just for the plot, obviously.)

One of the scenes I like best comes right near the end, actually. Chirgugh has Moss' wife under his control, and is planning to kill her because - well, because of his incomprehensible sense of "what needs to be done". She knows she's probably going to die, but instead of lamely accepting her fate, as some would, she tries to talk to him, to get him to see things the way a normal person would.
"You don't have to do this, you know." she says to him. The ensuing discussion they have about this, brief though it is, provides us with great dialogue and food for thought.

It reminded me of the scene right near the end of Fargo, when the police officer ( again, a woman) who's finally caught the killer tries to figure out why he did what he did, and tries to explain to him why he just didn't need to act that way.

In both films it is a woman, having a conversation with a ruthless and probably psychopathic killer, trying through their own simple goodness to "get through" to these monsters. You know they won't, but you have to admire them for trying.


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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 11:55 AM   in response to: chaney7 in response to: chaney7
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Wow chaney. Gotta say I couldn't DISagree with you more. Ya see, I thought that ending was just about perfect because it covered two thoughts there...one being he was now at a new crossroads in his life, and the second one being that he MAY have just found a new love, and thus giving us hope that his character will live happily ever after.

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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 9:39 AM   in response to: JefCostello in response to: JefCostello
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"Castaway" comes to mind. All he had to do was drive down one road or the other instead of standing there to a fade out.

If you're going to tell a story tell it to the end. I don't see films because I like to guess the endings.


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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:40 AM   in response to: TopBilled in response to: TopBilled
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TopBilled wrote:Instead, we get this trite romantic ending...an ending that probably tested well with audiences at the time, but which is not authentic to the story that Hitchcock and his wife, screenwriter Alma Reville, were likely trying to tell.
Actually, I think the ending as is, if a bit sloppy, is far more interesting than "Cary the murderer"...

Joan Fonataine is willing to overlook very serious flaws in Cary Grant's character simply for the fact that he hasn't killed anyone.

I think the film is as good an exploration of doubt and what can happen to people who do whatever they possibly can to maintain their illusions as any other important Hitchcock film and I think getting away with an ending like that in the purest way would be just as difficult in that era as would be the unpunished murderer. We hear conventionally happy music as they drive off...but the car's movement as it turns around by the cliff, visually, is more than a bit off and taking what we've seen throughout the film, the message is that while Joan may not have physically died, she is going off of the cliff in an entirely different way.


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Re: Good Films Ruined by Weak Endings
Posted: Jun 6, 2012 12:53 AM   in response to: misswonderly in response to: misswonderly
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I started a thread on another forum about a year and a half ago, writing this:


Is 'No Country for Old Men' over-rated?

I'm always behind when it comes to watching movies and so I vigilantly stay away from reviews and discussions of those I haven't seen. Nevertheless, this one was mentioned in so many posts that some expectation of greatness filtered through.

From the start I was rivetted. A relentless, quirky monster is presented and fear is thoroughly injected (along with a sense of revulsion). The specific prey of this hunter-abomination is suitably defiant and possesses some cunning survivalism of his own - setting up what should be a gripping showdown. So far, so good. Additional to these two central characters we have the overview narration of Tommy Lee Jones as a world-weary philosopher-lawman (very suitable casting there) and a fill-in-some-information throwaway part for Woody Harrelson, not really used to great effect but serving some purpose nonetheless. Well acted with lush cinematography but with a penchant for drawn-out dialogue (which does add to the suspense in some key scenes involving our monster).

But the last half hour seems to come off the rails. The action completely stops and is replaced with 'missing' narrative and some kind of opaque artiness. Overall, I felt let down by the movie. It felt like the monster was a great idea but once the characters were set the script was unfinished. Just kinda petered out there.

So, knowing that the movie is much praised and Oscar-winning I kinda figured I must have missed something and resolved to watch it again when the chance came. After all, many, many movies get better for me the second time out.

Well, it was on again about a year later and I sat down to re-watch it, looking forward to picking up on its merits. Wow. Not worth the time I'm afraid. Knowing everything that was coming made those long, drawn out scenes just unutterably tedious (what with the suspense removed).

A movie that I can't enjoy twice just isn't worthy of the accolades that I've seen. Coming in as 'best picture' on the heels of another hugely flawed 'best' (The Departed) has me wondering just what the hell's going on with the voters these days.