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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 21, 2012 4:43 PM
in response to: TheCid
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I would be happy if TCM would just show more "classic" movies. There are way too many classic or old TV shows to have them clutter up the limited number of movies that TCM shows. I KNOW; TCM shows thousands of movies compared to other channels, but they show the same ones way too many times when they could show others. In addition, there are many more they could show, especially the "B" movies.
TCM could probably show one "B" movie in same time it takes to show two of their featurettes that repeat way too often.
ME TV, This TV, TV Land, Family TV, etc. all show old TV shows. In addtion, many local channels now have 2nd and 3rd channels that show old TV shows.
Just to correct a common misconception, TV Land does NOT show old classic TV shows. Not everyone has access to the full ME TV or This TV classic TV show packages. Aside from Encore Western and Encore Suspense there are NO channels universally available in any system, be it cable or satellite, that cater primarilly to classic old TV shows. By classic old I mean 60s and back.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 20, 2012 2:34 PM
in response to: HOLLYWOODFAN
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I would be happy if TCM would just show more "classic" movies. There are way too many classic or old TV shows to have them clutter up the limited number of movies that TCM shows. I KNOW; TCM shows thousands of movies compared to other channels, but they show the same ones way too many times when they could show others. In addition, there are many more they could show, especially the "B" movies.
TCM could probably show one "B" movie in same time it takes to show two of their featurettes that repeat way too often.
ME TV, This TV, TV Land, Family TV, etc. all show old TV shows. In addtion, many local channels now have 2nd and 3rd channels that show old TV shows.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 18, 2012 6:08 PM
in response to: fxreyman
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Thank-you! Well-said.
TCM's mission is to show movies uncut and commercial free.
Now I know that there are some of the folks on this message board that think that TCM does not show enough pre-1960 or pre-1970 films, but as I have stated before in other threads on average the channel DOES show around 70 to 75% pre-1960 films.
What we do not need is so-called classic television shows polluting TCM's own unique brand of movies, serials, and documentaries.
"TCM's mission is to show movies uncut and commercial free."
Commercial free is debatable, you know my opinion of that. Uncut holds true until someone catches them showing a cut film. TCM never apologizes for the cut film and more times then not replays the same cut film even after it's brought to their attention. The implication of "to show movies uncut" is that they show ALL movies uncut. Anything less is a lie, misleading their viewers, and as far as I'm concerned that renders their "mission" null and void.
"Now I know that there are some of the folks on this message board that think that TCM does not show enough pre-1960 or pre-1970 films, but as I have stated before in other threads on average the channel DOES show around 70 to 75% pre-1960 films."
Fine, but what would be so wrong with 80 to 85% pre-1960 films. Would that make the channel any less watchable for you?
"What we do not need is so-called classic television shows polluting TCM's own unique brand of movies, serials, and documentaries."
That is your opinion. TCM's own unique brand has already been polluted by some of the garbage it shows. TCM is just a name of a channel and it dosen't stand for anything anymore, much less TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES. The funny thing is no one is requesting BATMAN, GILLIGAN'S ISLAND, or THE SONNY AND CHER SHOW, not that the addition of those shows would pollute TCM anymore then it already is. Just what the OP requested, which I think would be a fine addition to TCM.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:25 AM
in response to: Cinemascoped
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Thank-you! Well-said.
TCM's mission is to show movies uncut and commercial free.
Now I know that there are some of the folks on this message board that think that TCM does not show enough pre-1960 or pre-1970 films, but as I have stated before in other threads on average the channel DOES show around 70 to 75% pre-1960 films.
What we do not need is so-called classic television shows polluting TCM's own unique brand of movies, serials, and documentaries.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 13, 2012 3:49 PM
in response to: HOLLYWOODFAN
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I agree about polluting the brand. Vintage tv shows are a totally different animal and do not belong on TCM. There are some channels already that show vintage tv shows, albeit not uncut. This is just not a good or valid idea.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 13, 2012 3:33 AM
in response to: JonasEB
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I would be all for full-length un-cut episodes of THE AVENGERS/NEW AVENGERS my all time favorite series. And I believe it's currently out of print on DVD. No Blu-rays yet.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 13, 2012 1:55 AM
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Tell that to the thousands of people who still frequent The Rocky Horror Picture Show every weekend at midnight (I used to be one of them of a few years). They'd disagree with you. It's even been said many times over the years that RHPS is a a form of multimedia/multiformat experience, combining film, live theater (the people who perform the movie in front of the screen along with the film...which I did for over two years), and the audience participation. On its own, the movie itself is fun enough entertainment, but add the audience experience and it becomes something quite different. It's been going on for almost 35 years now.
I know all about that and that's fair game for that film but RHPS isn't every film. What I wish I could tell them is they're the reason (if I possibly ever could) I can't go to see something like Johnny Guitar or a Douglas Sirk film at a theater unless I go to some place like Japan where they don't have a condescending attitude with these films and where they try to engage with the film on its own terms instead of indulging in po-mo camp sarcasm.
I know Valentine Xavier here had a bad experience with the RHPS crowd, who threatened to talk and do RHPS schtick during the film he came to see until he told them to shut the hell up.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 12, 2012 1:23 AM
in response to: filmlover
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No, I am against TV shows being played on TCM. Leave us this one channel for old movies, great or not.
As far as Naked CIty, Me-TV (KVME, channel 20 here in Los Angeles) is running classic TV shows, and Naked City is one of them. Other series they are showing: Route 66, Lost in Space, Peter Gunn, The Rifleman, That Girl, I Love Lucy, Daniel Boone, Perry Mason, Cannon, Hawaii Five-O, Gunsmoke, Bonanza, The Big Valley, Kojak, The Fugitive, The Rockford Files, M*A*S*H, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, The Untouchables, The Bob Newhart Show, The Odd Couple, Cheers, The Honeymooners, The Twilight Zone, Mission: Impossible, Combat!, 12 O'Clock High, The Rebel, Branded, The Guns of Will Sonnett, The Wild Wild West, Hogan's Heroes, Batman, Star Trek, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Get Smart, Car 54: Where Are You?, Honey West, The Rogues, The Brady Bunch, Family Affair, Make Room for Daddy, The Dick Van Dyke Show, Columbo, and Thriller.
They even a late night horror host on Saturday night (this coming Saturday night is The Mummy's Hand).
"Me-TV" stands for Memorable Entertainment Television. They have informercials here in the early part of the morning.
Here's a link: http://metvnetwork.com/index.php
Thanks for saving my fingers from typing. Not to mention Pax ch. 30 and KDOC ch. 56 here in Los Angeles. Three free networks showing classice t.v. shows. That's plenty.
I am not for stretching the TCM concept anymore than it already has. Frankly I would like to get back to what it was so I can watch on Friday nights again. Start a new channel and put what you want there. Leave a great channel like TCM alone.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 7:35 PM
in response to: fxreyman
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Boy oh boy.... you really are splitting hairs aren't you?
You can think of TCM anyway you can. It is simply pointless to continue to try and discuss these issues with you anymore.
But nevertheless you still do. I guess you still have some hope for me.
Calm down. You raised the "polluting the brand" spectre as if doing what the OP requested would be a mortal sin. All I said was that the TCM brand is not so pure anymore. so I didn't think the OP's request would be "polluting the brand" as YOU said it would. Don't use that sort of language with me. You should know better.
I guess I don't know better because I don't know what you are talking about. What sort of language are you referring to? Did I use a naughty word?
You think I am upset? Not really. However, what I am perturbed about is your incessant
"Definition of INCESSANT
: continuing or following without interruption :
behavior when trying to make such outlandish points.
Actually, I did take a break for the week-end.
Whenever anyone points out anything that runs counter to what you believe in, you decide it is time to go on the attack with more inane arguments, just like you have done this evening.
"On the attack with more inane arguments" Untrue and also insulting. Now who should know better? Perhaps you should explore why you find them so inane. Perhaps it's because you are taking this whole thing so personally as if any suggestion is an attack on TCM and by proxy an attack on you. But, that aside, I am truly sorry that you perceive my "inane arguments" to be a personal "attack". I did not intend for them to come accross that way. I promise to tow the line and not be so "outlandish".
Not all films are shown uncut like they were shown when first released. The difference is that we don't always know when films are shown CUT until someone points it out to us. And the moment a cut film does show up on TCM the brand is tainted. You are forgetting that at certain times in a film's theater run, the producers will often go back and re-edit the film to provide additional showings on the big screen. So even during the film's run in the theaters the film-going public may not know that the film they saw just a couple of months before has been altered, and they were never the wiser for it.
I am aware that films often changed between their sneak previews to select audiences and their release to the general public, also of changes to films due to censorship issues in certain parts of the country or internationally, but I am speaking of films that have been edited for commercial television. There are times when those cut films find their way onto TCM. Call it an oversight, a mistake, whatever you want, but it is a blight on TCM's record. Especially, when they are made aware of the error and they allow it to happen again for repeat broadcasts. That is just plain sloppy.
Name one. There are NONE. At least none in the area where I live. Well, where I live I get the Encore movie channels where they show old tv shows from the fifties and sixties. The Encore western channel has shown tv shows like Gunsmoke, Laredo, The Virginian, Lawman, The Rifleman, and other classic tv westerns. On Encore's mystery channel they show reruns of Perry Mason and Murder, She Wrote. There is a channel up in Denver that shows old tv shows mostly in the early afternoon.
I live in New Jersey. I don't get channels from Denver. I am not asking for classic Westerns that appear on Encore Western, or Encore Mystery. I am not asking for episodic Television Programs to be part of the regular schedule. But I don't see the harm of an occassional broadcast. For example, Ernie Borgnine just died. In all probability he will be getting a TCM tribute that may consist of MARTY, FROM HERE TO ETERNITY, A CATERED AFFAIR, and THE WILD BUNCH. What would be the harm of showing his debut of the QUINTON McHALE character from SEVEN AGAINST THE SEA? I don't think that is such a dire request that would damage the reputation of TCM, do you? After all according to all the news broadcasts, if you believe them, that was his most well known character. I just don't see the big deal that you are making it out to be.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 3:39 PM
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Yes. Older films come across differently to more modern audiences, so there is that aspect too.....
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 3:16 PM
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I agree with you especially related to my experience watching classic movies in revival theaters.
First, most of the audience are fairly knowledgeable about classic movies. i.e. classic movie 'nuts' like us!  Thus I assume most have seen the film already but only on TV. This adds interest because very little gets passed them. Sometime the audience reaction gets me to see something I had missed.
Than there is just the overall reaction. For example, I saw Dead Reckoning in a theater with about 50 others. Bogie makes what many today would say were sexist comments to Liz Scott. Well the gals in the audience started to boo Bogie! It was all in jest but it was funny. A few guys had the guts to yell back 'right on Bogie'. This exchange added a cool vibe to the show.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 10:07 AM
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I think audiences DO add to the filmgoing experience for certain films. Watching a comedy in an empty theater with few people laughing with you is not as much fun as watching a comedy with a large number of people laughing along with you..........
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 8:39 AM
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I find audiences add nothing to pictures. The only circumstances in which they might matter is in a festival setting in which like minded individuals are gathered.
Tell that to the thousands of people who still frequent The Rocky Horror Picture Show every weekend at midnight (I used to be one of them of a few years). They'd disagree with you. It's even been said many times over the years that RHPS is a a form of multimedia/multiformat experience, combining film, live theater (the people who perform the movie in front of the screen along with the film...which I did for over two years), and the audience participation. On its own, the movie itself is fun enough entertainment, but add the audience experience and it becomes something quite different. It's been going on for almost 35 years now.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 7:17 AM
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I find audiences add nothing to pictures. The only circumstances in which they might matter is in a festival setting in which like minded individuals are gathered. The general multiplex audience is anonymous, divided - not a genuine or meaningful social experience.
Size is not the image, the image is the image. Cinema is great because it expresses thought and emotion through moving images, not because it's big people talking in a big room with lots of anonymous people. The art is entirely separate from the means of delivery.
Well said, JonasEB.
infinite1 also has a point. I would personally be happy if TCM were to show classic television shows, especially in slots where it is now showing garbage post-1960s films. As noted, movie theaters mixed Bugs Bunny and Cary Grant, so why not do the same now? Especially since there are not enough classic films (sarcasm) to fill their programming schedule.
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Re: How about TCM airing classic, iconic TV shows UNCUT?
Posted: Jul 10, 2012 7:05 AM
in response to: infinite1
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Which was not the original intent of the makers of the films. Would you at least agree to that? We're so concerned about WIDE SCREEN vs. PAN AND SCAN as if a wide screen experience in the privacy of your own home on a flat screen tv is the same as watching it in a theatre and PAN AND SCAN is a desecration of the film crerators intent.
The "original intent" of the makers of the films was simply to make a motion picture, a piece of entertainment or a piece of art.
Movies were only shown in theaters to begin with because it was a practical and lucrative way to show them, much better than the Kinetoscope which was uncomfortable, could only be used by one person at a time, and was unfeasible for lengthy product. "Size" was a happy accident and if you've seen the gigantic movie palaces from the old days that size becomes irrelevant to a very large percentage of people watching the film - why, it happens to be the size of a television (or less!) This is true of a conventional theater as well.
So were/are those people not having an "authentic" movie experience because they're watching from the back of the hall? Hell no.
I find audiences add nothing to pictures. The only circumstances in which they might matter is in a festival setting in which like minded individuals are gathered. The general multiplex audience is anonymous, divided - not a genuine or meaningful social experience.
Size is not the image, the image is the image. Cinema is great because it expresses thought and emotion through moving images, not because it's big people talking in a big room with lots of anonymous people. The art is entirely separate from the means of delivery.
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