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  Are others bored as I am with  the lack of variety in movies shown on a given day?  They highlight an artist such as Betty Davis or Gary Cooper or some other actor all day.  Or all movies are westerns or about airplanes or war or a certain year such as 1933.

  I realize this makes it easier for those selecting what to show but variety is the spice of life, as the saying goes, and it would be more enjoyable to have a mix. 

 

  If this continues, we will cancel our subscription and go to streaming with Netflix.

 

I've written Turner Classic Movies but no response.

 

Be interested in hearing others' views on this.

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  Are others bored as I am with  the lack of variety in movies shown on a given day?  They highlight an artist such as Betty Davis or Gary Cooper or some other actor all day.  Or all movies are westerns or about airplanes or war or a certain year such as 1933.

  I realize this makes it easier for those selecting what to show but variety is the spice of life, as the saying goes, and it would be more enjoyable to have a mix. 

 

  If this continues, we will cancel our subscription and go to streaming with Netflix.

 

I've written Turner Classic Movies but no response.

 

Be interested in hearing others' views on this.

 

How long have you been watching TCM?   I ask because it sounds like for only a month or two.

 

August is always Summer Under the Stars;  This means ONE actor each day.   This is why Davis was on all day (for example).

 

Prior to this TCM had a special related to westerns.    This is why they showed a lot of westerns BUT we can expect less in the near future now that this special is over.

 

Bottom Line is that TCM does have specialty programming like Star of the Month (one 'star' featured in a month, all day, one day a week,  so 4 - 5 days in that month).    

 

Otherwise their programming is 85% or so pre-1970 films mostly from Warner Bros, MGM,  and RKO with Paramount, Columbia, 20th Century Fox and Universal a lot less often (due to leasing 'issues' with these studios).

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How long have you been watching TCM?   I ask because it sounds like for only a month or two.

 

August is always Summer Under the Stars;  This means ONE actor each day.   This is why Davis was on all day (for example).

 

Prior to this TCM had a special related to westerns.    This is why they showed a lot of westerns BUT we can expect less in the near future now that this special is over.

 

Bottom Line is that TCM does have specialty programming like Star of the Month (one 'star' featured in a month, all day, one day a week,  so 4 - 5 days in that month).    

 

Otherwise their programming is 85% or so pre-1970 films mostly from Warner Bros, MGM,  and RKO with Paramount, Columbia, 20th Century Fox and Universal a lot less often (due to leasing 'issues' with these studios).

 

Good post james. I suggest the OP wait another month or two before giving up on TCM. Throughout the year, there is plenty of variety.

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While this is an old thread,it still applies -TCM should diversify their categories of films shown thru the  day. Today(11/21/2017) is an example-seven Drama's(4 shown  consecutively).  Today's example is popular only to someone who 'binges' ;certainly not what the majority of viewers prefer(unless they're confined to a TV for whatever reason). Less frequent repeating of movies,and especially rotating viewing times of the same movie(i.e.-if last shown in the AM,show in PM next) will also improve viewer enjoyment significantly.

Come on,TCM can and has done much better in the past providing an entertaining  mixture of genre throughout the day and evening( after all,at least half of our country is still employed thru the day....)

 

Sam in IN (longtime TCM viewer)

 

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I have been watching TCM for nearly 40 years and while some movies were repeated it was never this bad.  When Robert Osborne became ill it started going down hill and once he passed it got worse.  For example, they have shown Places In The Heart, Age of Innocence several times this year, usually in the same month and sometimes in the same week; these are just two examples and I could list many more.  Another example is Rear Window, it was the repeat of the Essential that had aired about three months ago and then shown again the next Wednesday as part of the line-up for the star of the month Jimmy Stewart.  The same thing has happened several times this month with their Backlot and Veterans Day guest programmers.  The movies are all good, but the repeated airings are making it become just like ACM.  (More about this on paragraph 3).

The Essentials are being repeated and they barely aired for three months.  Is this going to be a permanent thing?  I realize that Alec Baldwin is extremely popular right now and he also had three young children and another on the way but if he doesn't have the time then they need to find someone who does.  Would Illena Douglas, Drew Barrymore, Keith Carradine or many of the excellent other guest hosts consider it if AB cannot commit?  Does Ben not want to do more? 

We might as well face it, no one will ever be able to replace Robert Osborne, we the longtime fans can only hope for someone to honor his memory and legacy and not destroy the network!  I had hoped that it would get better, unfortunately it's gotten worse.  Seems like all they care bout now is Backlot, the Wine Club, Festival and cruise; they care more about money and have neglected quality.   An experienced, good programmer could take all these different hosts and their movie choices into account; they could tape or for the Skype hosts sound them out in advance or even tape them and plan accordingly so the excessive repeats stop.  This would allow TCM to have their Backlot members and all the other special guest programmers to air their favorites.  As I am writing this they are airing I Remember Mama and this is either the third or fourth time just this month; Mrs. Miniver just aired for the third time this month; this is not counting all the other times they have aired this year.  I realize that they were showing family movies for Thanksgiving but there are many other choices that could have been selected and that the programmer should have caught.  I just caught Ben's introduction for Cheaper By the Dozen and except for the first few sentences referencing the holiday and family he repeated almost verbatim what he said earlier this month when they aired the movie.  I'm beginning to believe that not only was Robert Osborne the host and face of the network as well as the historian, I think he was also the programmer!  It doesn't matter, it's obvious that they need someone that can do the job and offer the variety that he did!

Like so many others, I was disappointed by their choice of Tiffany Vazquez as the Saturday Host but I just muted the TV when she was on and watched the movie.  Now there is no Saturday Host and while I don't mind it seems odd because they have had one for so very long. 

I own most of these movies in my extensive collection, I prefer watching TCM instead of repeatedly having to put a new movie in but if it doesn't get better soon I am planning on getting rid of this channel and watching my collection.  If I did this I wouldn't repeat the moves as frequently as they have been for almost two years.  Until I do cancel, I am going to compile the schedules for each month and see how many times they show all the movies, especially those first two listed in paragraph one which has been repeated ad nauseam this year.  I will take into account Summer Under the Stars, the Oscar salute and Christmas, Memorial Day, July 4th and all the other holidays as I have done for many years.

I have also contacted TCM several times over the last three years without a response, this just shows that they don't care bout the viewers unless they are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on their "extras"!

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On 11/23/2017 at 11:20 AM, CLASSICMOVIEDLUVRNTN said:

I have been watching TCM for nearly 40 years and while some movies were repeated it was never this bad.  When Robert Osborne became ill it started going down hill and once he passed it got worse.  For example, they have shown Places In The Heart, Age of Innocence several times this year, usually in the same month and sometimes in the same week; these are just two examples and I could list many more. 

I have also contacted TCM several times over the last three years without a response, this just shows that they don't care bout the viewers unless they are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on their "extras"!

First things first: if you want more people to respond or comment on your topic, you should post it in the General Discussions forum up above. This section of the message board is for the TCM Film Festival held annually in Los Angeles, and is not about the TCM TV channel. It's not that big of a deal to post this here, it's just that the vast majority of people do not look in this section, as the vast majority of viewers do not attend the Film Festivals.

Secondly, you seem to be prone to exaggeration. You've watched TCM for nearly 40 years? That's amazing since it has only been on the air since 1994. As for movies being repeated, it's not as bad as you've described, and there is proof available if you care to look. There are threads, such as the one linked here:

http://forums.tcm.com/topic/53150-tcm-schedules/

that show the schedules going back a while. That thread only goes back to 2013, but it should provide enough information for general trends pertaining to perceived increases in repeats. There is another poster who has compiled a massive database showing nearly every film shown on TCM over the past 23 years, as well as how many times they've been shown since the channel started and even when they aired. Here is the user's profile, which contains a link to his database:

http://forums.tcm.com/profile/45430-moviecollectoroh/

I couldn't really say if they are repeating movies more frequently than they used to. I don't watch movies on TCM that I've already seen. If I liked it, I most likely purchased a copy on DVD or Blu-Ray. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't watch it again. And I've seen a lot of movies, so most of the schedules are things that I've already seen, and that's been the case for years now. I will say that TCM does not replay movies with the frequency of other channels, which tend to repeat a given title 4, 5 or even 6 times in a given month.

As for the hosts, yeah, I miss Robert Osborne too, but the intros/outros are not as important to me as they are to other viewers. I also tend to record all of the TCM I want to see, and watch it at a later time rather than watching the channel live, so sometimes I just fast forward through the intros if they seem banal or are covering information that I'm already aware of. 

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I was quick to notice TCM hasn't been around 40 years. Other than that, I have to completely agree with many negative comments about TCM. Chances are I've been watching TCM 5 years or so. It always costs more to get TCM with my cable provider. Now they are more willing to give me a teaser price for a year, then it is back to the drawing board. I am not fond of any of the hosts. TCM is repetitious if you watch a lot of it, and I do. The other junk on TV is just that, junk. TCM is the only channel providing classics. Too bad they don't have competition. Things just might have to change. Now, it really is about the money side of the channel. In the early days, AMC was a better channel. I have attempted to contact TCM, and no one ever replies. Just now, in the movie "Sounder," there was a hissing sound that was often louder than the dialog, as if TCM is using antiquated automatic leveling for sound. Someday, TCM will be crying for viewership, as people move to on demand video. I could be one of them, not only saving money, but potentially getting better picture and sound.

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Providing a variety of films from the various categories doesn't require a cinematographic historian/genius (although Robert Osborne was arguably that).  Scheduling a STRUCTURED mix from the genres  can easily be accomplished by anyone,IF any genuine concern for the viewers enjoyment exists...... Whomever is presently making the selections obviously puts little significance in variety;  quite probably a reflection of their self.....

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3 hours ago, Sam S. said:

for the viewers enjoyment exists

This phase implies there is some type of viewer consensus as it relates to what percentage of programming time should be devoted to each genres.   Nothing could be further from the truth.  

Anyhow,  just using genre, if you were making a yearly schedule how would you assign percentages?   E.g. an equal percentage of dramas, comedies,  adventure films,  westerns, sci-fi,  noir \ crime films,  etc...  OR something else?

In addition beyond genre would you also want variety as it relates to decades?  E.g.  30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, films?  Would you schedule films released after 1970? 1980?  1990?  (some viewer only want TCM to show pre-1970 films).

How about foreign films?   Silent ones?         

Hey, I'm not trying to challenge you.  Just pointing out that there are many different views as it relates to variety and the various ways films can be subdivided into different categories based on different criteria.  

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Well,James,you misunderstood my point(s) entirely. And since you are in fact challenging me,you're in luck,because I like challenges!

 Any of the  potential mixes of genres,eras of genres,domestic films,foreign films,silent film,black & white and/or color IS PREFERRED and IS AN IMPROVEMENT over the present 'arrangement' of films whereas NO serious effort is put into making the selection.The result,then,is a single genre for the entire evening,etc. It should be obvious that a variety will have the capability to satisfy viewers over that of the 'steady diet' mentality...... The solution is in the word you used earlier-VARIETY......

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I am with others about the ad nausem  expressiveness that TOM has started.  Seeing the same movie several times a month and then to do the same two months later....I think management has gotten lazy.  I too do not like the intro people besides Mankowitz.  Sorry if I mispelled.  They hired the young lady last fall finally groomed her and let her go.  She actually cared it seemed.  The new young man and British lady are taking heads.  And when Alex Baldwin was on....come home a person that verbally abused his child being glorified in TV....Not cool TXM.

I am mostly bed ridden and don't watch reality, infomercials, and other crud.  So I have watched TCM for many years.  No I cannot afford to join fancy clubs and really wonder about your backlit members you say are influencing the progra mming.  If all this repetativeness is because of them.....God help us that they can't enjoy variety.  And yes this must be the year of Betty Davis...even maggots are gagging at how many times a month she is served.  Who at TCM has it on for MS Davis?S

I get it we have to have themes, stars of month, 31 days of Oscars,  now we had musicals and more musicals, repetition of Tarzan movies on Saturday and other days of week.  

have you sold it lost some of your movie catalogue so that is why we are suffering?   Granted you are not as bad as AND that plays the same morning movie over for months at a time.  Am so tired of seeing the listing of the talking baby.

because of costs i am considering giving you up.  I love the classics and doing research on actors.  But I am wondering what your true mission is anymore.

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This is probably as good a place as any to say TCM lately makes me SO MAD!

ALL DAY they show crap about kooks, addicts, crooks, wars, spies, cops and robbers and cowboys and Indians, stuff so bad I have to turn to Science Channel for my Mom.  Then along about midnight West Coast time which would be 3:00 a.m. east coast time they start showing the good stuff, long after it is too late for me to sit up to watch the end of it!  The 1974 film Conrack, and the films Don't Look Back and Festival from 1967, are all things I would love to see, but they are on too dang late for me to get involved in watching beginning to end, I have no idea how to use the dratted DVR and no intention of learning--they should never have discontinued VHS!  The only thing they showed lately in which I had any interest at a time I could actually watch was Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.  They can do better than this!  (Even sadder because TCM is one of only about three decent channels carried by DirecTV and since cable sucks and our area does not get Comcast we have very little choice.)  Also they drop the ball in the summer just when the few available other channels are all showing reruns I have either seen a million times or wouldn't watch unless I were well paid.

If there is some special complaints department please advise!  Thanks for listening.

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This section of the message board is related to the annual TCM Film Festival held in Los Angeles, and not for the TV channel programming. If you want to talk about the TV channel, go to the General Discussions section fourth down from the top of the forum index.

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