TheCid

Future of Democratic Party?

612 posts in this topic

My advise to the Dem party would be to make slight concession on some of the major issues: E.g. supporting a ban on late term abortion,  supporting enforcement of existing immigration laws,   allowing a business to deny services based on religion ground as long as doing so causes no economic harm,   minimum wage increase of only $12 and instead of annual inflation adjusted increases a more delayed increase mechanism and agreeing to cuts in spending on social programs \ entitlements. 

 

As for JOBS,  which I believe was a major reason Trump won those battleground states Trump was just blowing smoke as it relates to him improving the economy but clearly more voters agree with his BS over the silence of Clinton.   As I said I don't think the Feds can do much in this area.       If that is that case and a Trump admin isn't able to reduce the trade deficit with China much, the overall number of jobs being outsources,  or increase wages,    the Dems just have to wait and campaign on that.

Isn't this where Howard Dean would come in and say

I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You sure sound like one. Forgive me if I'm mistaken.........

 

I'd love to know what I said to make you think that.  At any rate, being against HRC doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro-Trump.  My spouse has been accused of the same thing posting elsewhere, so you're not alone there.

 

No offense taken.  I could never be mad at George Brent. ;)

 

However, I think you're being a little rough on James, who was kind enough to come to my defense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd love to know what I said to make you think that.  At any rate, being against HRC doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro-Trump.  My spouse has been accused of the same thing posting elsewhere, so you're not alone there.

 

No offense taken.  I could never be mad at George Brent. ;)

 

However, I think you're being a little rough on James, who was kind enough to come to my defense.

 

 

Maybe. But I take a dim view of people who steal library books and have the nerve to brag about it. Anyway, no offense meant on my part (to you!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Democratic Party is gonna try to regroup by doing nothing different.

 

 

 

You don't think this is a winning strategy? 

 

In July, Schumer said, “The number one factor in whether we retake the Senate is whether Hillary Clinton does well, and I think she’s going to do really well. [...] For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

 

Then, yesterday came this:  "We will unite our caucus and speak to the blue-collar worker in West Virginia, and Michigan, as well as the people who live along the coasts," Schumer, 65, said after emerging from a closed-door party-caucus meeting in which Democrats anointed him as minority leader in place of Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., who is retiring.

 

He's a fast learner, that one, ay?

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Schumer is a pretty good bs artist, but he will not be able to

out bs the GOP with working class types, at least not for a

couple of years. You can't win 'em all.

 

As a youngster I used to swipe both library books and bookstore

books, giving equal treatment to the public and private sector.

I still have some of them. There may not be a free lunch in

America, but there are free books.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

JON STEWART.....

 

""Donald Trump is a repudiation of Republicans," Stewart said. 

 

Stewart also cautioned liberals against intolerance. So much of what liberals fight for is that people shouldn't be judged as "monoliths," Stewart said, and by that logic, "defining Trump supporters by the worst of his rhetoric" is ignorant. "That hypocrisy is also real in this country," Stewart said.

 

"America is an anomaly in the world," he said, "And Trump's candidacy animated that thought, that a multicultural democracy is impossible – but that's what America is!" 

 

"This is the fight that we wage against ourselves and each other, because America is not natural," Stewart said. "Natural is tribal. We're fighting against thousands of years of human behavior and history to create something that no one's ever – that's what's exceptional about America. And this ain't easy."

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/jon-stewart-donald-trump-is-a-repudiation-of-republicans-w450936

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The Stark Contrast Between GOP’s Self-Criticism in 2012 and Democrats’ Blame-Everyone-Else Posture Now-

 

"....there is a large list of fundamental, systemic problems with virtually every aspect of the Democratic Party. Those are the deficiencies that explain its monumental electoral defeats. Acknowledging one’s own responsibility for failure is always difficult, which is why scapegoating and finger-pointing at others is so tempting."

 

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/the-stark-contrast-between-the-gops-self-criticism-in-2012-and-the-democrats-blame-everyone-else-posture-now/

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chuck Schumer Is All In On Bernie Sanders’ Democratic Party-

 

The Vermont senator lost to Hillary Clinton, but the new Senate minority leader thinks his message is a winner.

 

"Schumer explained that includes staples from the Sanders and Warren wing of the party ― debt-free college, at least some of the free college that was so mocked by the Clinton campaign, a higher minimum wage, a “bolder” stance on trade, a tougher stance the “rigged” system of lobbyists and special interests, and major investments in infrastructure, among other ideas.

Some are initiatives that Schumer has long embraced, but others — and especially the language used to describe them are the sorts of things progressives have heard from Sanders and Warren for years......

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-is-all-in-on-bernie-sanders-democratic-party_us_58307a38e4b030997bbfc3cc?

 

:wacko:

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Chuck Schumer Is All In On Bernie Sanders’ Democratic Party-

 

The Vermont senator lost to Hillary Clinton, but the new Senate minority leader thinks his message is a winner.

 

"Schumer explained that includes staples from the Sanders and Warren wing of the party ― debt-free college, at least some of the free college that was so mocked by the Clinton campaign, a higher minimum wage, a “bolder” stance on trade, a tougher stance the “rigged” system of lobbyists and special interests, and major investments in infrastructure, among other ideas.

Some are initiatives that Schumer has long embraced, but others — and especially the language used to describe them are the sorts of things progressives have heard from Sanders and Warren for years......

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-is-all-in-on-bernie-sanders-democratic-party_us_58307a38e4b030997bbfc3cc?

 

:wacko:

 

 

 

That would definitiely help the GOPers get more people elected to senate and house in 2018 and another GOP president in 2020.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That would definitiely help the GOPers get more people elected to senate and house in 2018 and another GOP president in 2020.

 

The economic part of the Democratic platform is a winner. Although the D's make the same mistake as the R's. They both think if they get elected people are buying into the entire platform when that is not so. Republicans may like the idea of a strong defense but many are turned off by the idea of turning the U.S. into a theocracy. Democratic voters liked Bernie's economic message, but they may not be too keen on having the prisons emptied and their guns confiscated. This is what both parties need to learn.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That would definitiely help the GOPers get more people elected to senate and house in 2018 and another GOP president in 2020.

 

Says the doof who insisted Hillary was more sure to win the Presidency than Bernie.

 

A little early to start being wrong about future elections too, isn't it?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The economic part of the Democratic platform is a winner. Although the D's make the same mistake as the R's. They both think if they get elected people are buying into the entire platform when that is not so. Republicans may like the idea of a strong defense but many are turned off by the idea of turning the U.S. into a theocracy. Democratic voters liked Bernie's economic message, but they may not be too keen on having the prisons emptied and their guns confiscated. This is what both parties need to learn.

 

I would agree that to the working class the Dem platform offers more than the GOP one.   Thus it comes down to messaging and in this regard the Dems failed big time.  

 

Take the convention;   So much focus on illegal immigrants.    That sent the message that the Dems cared more about these folks than middle class working AMERICANS.  

 

Obama in 2008 and 2012 was able to support the issues of non-whites in the USA without appearing to ignore white middle class Americans.    Clinton and the entire Dem party wasn't able to do that. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would agree that to the working class the Dem platform offers more than the GOP one.   Thus it comes down to messaging and in this regard the Dems failed big time.  

 

Take the convention;   So much focus on illegal immigrants.    That sent the message that the Dems cared more about these folks than middle class working AMERICANS.  

 

Obama in 2008 and 2012 was able to support the issues of non-whites in the USA without appearing to ignore white middle class Americans.    Clinton and the entire Dem party wasn't able to do that. 

 

It was the total failure of Obama to do anything that exposed Clinton and the Dem Party as the all-talk fakes that they are.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Parties win and lose, go up and down, so I wouldn't worry

all that much. The Dems now know where they have to

pander, so that makes things a bit easier. If Donny doesn't

do much for the working class and they don't like the Dems,

I guess they will just be **** out of luck.

 

It wasn't Obama, it was the GOP Congress that blocked just

about anything that would help lower and middle class folks.

 

The Republican political strategy has been to obstruct efforts to

help the economy for everyone but the wealthiest few, and then

campaign on complaints that the economy isn’t helping anyone

but the wealthiest few. It’s working.

 

https://ourfuture.org/20140923/the-cost-to-our-economy-from-republican-obstruction-and-sabotage

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Parties win and lose, go up and down, so I wouldn't worry

all that much. The Dems now know where they have to

pander, so that makes things a bit easier. If Donny doesn't

do much for the working class and they don't like the Dems,

I guess they will just be **** out of luck.

 

It wasn't Obama, it was the GOP Congress that blocked just

about anything that would help lower and middle class folks.

 

The Republican political strategy has been to obstruct efforts to

help the economy for everyone but the wealthiest few, and then

campaign on complaints that the economy isn’t helping anyone

but the wealthiest few. It’s working.

You are correct.  One problem is that the Dems have allowed the Republicans to identify what the Democratic Party is for decades.

And, the massive number of voters out there believe the Republican description more than the Democratic description.  Of course, the Dems have played in to this just as Clinton campaign did this last time.

The Republican base just will not understand that the GOPers have screwed them and will continue to.  Not sure how the Dems can ever get this message across.  Not sure they even care.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You are correct.  One problem is that the Dems have allowed the Republicans to identify what the Democratic Party is for decades.

And, the massive number of voters out there believe the Republican description more than the Democratic description.  Of course, the Dems have played in to this just as Clinton campaign did this last time.

The Republican base just will not understand that the GOPers have screwed them and will continue to.  Not sure how the Dems can ever get this message across.  Not sure they even care.

 

Of course the Dems care about getting 'this message across' as it relates to GOP policies mostly benefiting the 1%.   The issue with Clinton is that she was clearly in bed with this 1%.   Bill and her got rich mainly from this 1%.

 

The GOP has been able to convince the middle class that this 1% is the job creators and that increasing the wealth of this 1% leads to more and more jobs.     Of course the popular members of the 1% like Zuckerman do create jobs but overall more jobs are created by small and medium sized businesses which are not owned by the 1%.    

 

But how to convince the middle class in the 'red' states of this;    Yea, so far the Dems have failed to do that.

 

Terms like income redistribution are viewed as being socialist (and one could make the case that they are in practice).    

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You are correct.  One problem is that the Dems have allowed the Republicans to identify what the Democratic Party is for decades.

And, the massive number of voters out there believe the Republican description more than the Democratic description.  Of course, the Dems have played in to this just as Clinton campaign did this last time.

The Republican base just will not understand that the GOPers have screwed them and will continue to.  Not sure how the Dems can ever get this message across.  Not sure they even care.

I think they try to get the message out but apparently it gets

mixed up or misunderstood. You can't really force people to

think things out. And Democrats are too liberal on social

policies to reach some working class voters, whatever their

economic message is. Even though the popular vote is

electorally meaningless, it does show that the Democrats

aren't exactly in a totally bad position.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1.4 million more in the popular vote last I heard.......

That sounds about right. So the Dems still have a fairly

good base to build on a bit and as everybody said Hill

was not exactly the best candidate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think they try to get the message out but apparently it gets

mixed up or misunderstood. You can't really force people to

think things out. And Democrats are too liberal on social

policies to reach some working class voters, whatever their

economic message is. Even though the popular vote is

electorally meaningless, it does show that the Democrats

aren't exactly in a totally bad position.

 

As for the Dem party position;  it all depends on how one measures this.     Yes, if based on popular vote for President,  the Dems are ahead,  but if measured by the US Congress the Dems don't have a majority in the House or Senate.

 

At the state level things the Dems are very weak: 

 

Governor breakdown is:  Democratic (18) Republican (31) Independent (1).

 

The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers -- the highest number in the history of the party.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

New Members:

Register Here

Learn more about the new message boards:

FAQ

Having problems?

Contact Us