TheCid

Future of Democratic Party?

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11 minutes ago, TheCid said:

As I have said many times before, Pelosi is one of the best things the GOPers  have going for them in 80% of districts, maybe more.

More critical nationally is the Trump budget which dramatically reduces or eliminates Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, health care, public education, etc.  This is what the Dems, including progressives, need to focus upon.  Add in the enormous waste in the new military budget and the DOA Trump infrastructure plan.

Immigration, Medicare for All, Free College, $15 min. wage will drive the voters right back to the GOPers again.

We view this the same from a political POV.    Progressive that believe Pelosi type Dems are NOT liberal \ progressive enough are likely to drive voters right back to the GOP. 

Note that the latest generic poll has the GOP leading.    I believe this is because of their misguided and mismanaged approach to immigration reform.    The Trump budget should push the generic poll back in favor of the Dems and of course there is still a lot of time for either party to mess thing up (but the primaries are not that far off). 

For the 5 CA GOP House seats that are 'in play' the Dems are starting to lose ground.   While Clinton beat Trump is 3 or these it was by a small margin and Clinton is viewed as a moderate \ establishment Dem in these districts.    A left of Pelosi Dem will lose big time against any GOP candidate that isn't a Freedom Caucus type (and the GOP is wise enough to not run that type in these 'toss up' districts). 

 

 

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11 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

We view this the same from a political POV.    Progressive that believe Pelosi type Dems are NOT liberal \ progressive enough are likely to drive voters right back to the GOP. 

Note that the latest generic poll has the GOP leading.    I believe this is because of their misguided and mismanaged approach to immigration reform.    The Trump budget should push the generic poll back in favor of the Dems and of course there is still a lot of time for either party to mess thing up (but the primaries are not that far off). 

For the 5 CA GOP House seats that are 'in play' the Dems are starting to lose ground.   While Clinton beat Trump is 3 or these it was by a small margin and Clinton is viewed as a moderate \ establishment Dem in these districts.    A left of Pelosi Dem will lose big time against any GOP candidate that isn't a Freedom Caucus type (and the GOP is wise enough to not run that type in these 'toss up' districts). 

 

 

It depends on how you're viewing "left." From social viewpoints Pelosi is very far left but from an economic one she isn't that far left at all. Bernie was much farther economically left and had a large following.

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12 hours ago, Gershwin fan said:

It depends on how you're viewing "left." From social viewpoints Pelosi is very far left but from an economic one she isn't that far left at all. Bernie was much farther economically left and had a large following.

I was mostly talking about those that are far left on illegal immigration.   E.g. the current debate in the Senate.  

Some members of the Dem party are against anything that will target sanctuary cities or states.    The current GOP plans allows for 'dreamers' to received permanent legal status,  those that qualify as 'dreamers' but didn't file under DACA,  and for them to legalize their parents.    

Once all of these illegal immigrants are legalized why is there a need for sanctuary cities and states?   The answer is obvious;  Those Dems want TOTAL amnesty.   They don't wish for ANY deportations or sanctions against illegal immigrants.     While the overall Dem party says it is all about protecting the 'dreamers' that is a myth.   They want it all as it relates to immigration reform,  and that is insane given their total lack of power in DC.    

It appears there will be NO immigration deal because the Dems are willing to put the dreamers under the bus in their lame and misguided attempt for total amnesty,  no additional border security, no E-verify,  i.e. nothing that makes it more difficult for an illegal immigrant to get here, get a job and stay here.    

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"In moves celebrated by progressives as further evidence that grassroots pressure on the Democratic Party to ditch corporate cash is having an impact, two senators—Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.)—pledged on Tuesday to no longer accept corporate PAC donations.

"Our movement has shown that you can't expect to be a leader of the Democratic Party if you're going to keep taking money from Wall Street banks and large corporations."
—Justice Democrats

 

In making this pledge, Gillibrand and Booker joined a small group of their Senate colleagues—Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Maria Cantwell (D-Was.), and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)—who have already sworn off corporate PAC money..........

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/02/14/recognizing-populist-demand-gillibrand-and-booker-swear-corporate-cash

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1 hour ago, mr6666 said:

grassroots pressure on the Democratic Party to ditch corporate cash is having an impact, t

I wonder if the Dems do this in any states that are not blue states. 

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Gonna take a dog to eat a dog, I see Hardball's Chris Matthews is troting out Joe Kennedy III, a big

F-That, we don't need more of the same ol' same ol' crap. 

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18 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:

Gonna take a dog to eat a dog, I see Hardball's Chris Matthews is troting out Joe Kennedy III, a big

F-That, we don't need more of the same ol' same ol' crap. 

As a possible Presidential candidate?     Why not go with Chelsea if that is the direction one wishes to go in.

 

 

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6 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Gillibrand and Booker ....... sworn off corporate PAC money

Too late for Booker. Progressives don't believe him anymore.

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On 2/14/2018 at 3:07 PM, mr6666 said:

:unsure:

"In moves celebrated by progressives as further evidence that grassroots pressure on the Democratic Party to ditch corporate cash is having an impact, two senators—Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.)—pledged on Tuesday to no longer accept corporate PAC donations.

"Our movement has shown that you can't expect to be a leader of the Democratic Party if you're going to keep taking money from Wall Street banks and large corporations."
—Justice Democrats

 

In making this pledge, Gillibrand and Booker joined a small group of their Senate colleagues—Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Maria Cantwell (D-Was.), and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)—who have already sworn off corporate PAC money..........

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/02/14/recognizing-populist-demand-gillibrand-and-booker-swear-corporate-cash

While I am not a fan of any PAC's, not sure what the real implications are of "swearing off" them.   Will this make them further beholding to the the non-corporate PAC's and organizations from which they do accept money?  Will this enable their opponents to paint them as ultra-liberal, left wing types with ties to liberal special interest groups?

As James noted, it is easy to do this is hard blue states, but what about the red states with Dem senators or the purple states with Dem senators.  They will need all the help they can get.

Maybe the best method is to take money from everybody, promise them nothing and make it very public. 

 

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I am not opposed to the Affordable Care Act, but I wonder if it may be the biggest mistake politically that the Democrats have made this century or for decades.

The net result to a great extent was to enable the Republicans to take over a majority of state governments, the US House, the US Senate, the White House and the US Supreme Court.

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From Pushing 'Thoughts and Prayers' to Dissing Medicare for All, DCCC Called Out for Sabotaging Bold Demands-

While House Democrats were urged to ignore Medicare for All as a viable solution to the nation's healthcare woes, a separate memo to lawmakers after Las Vegas shooting appeared to be "straight out of the NRA's talking points"

 

...." It's becoming evident that the DCCC—and the billionaire donors and revolving door consultants that make up the Democratic Party establishment—believe Democrats can only take back Congress by running on a watered down message...instead of the basic values of decency and fairness that voters demand, ".....

.... "Across the country, we're seeing grassroots activists come out in unprecedented numbers: to demand health care as a right, to stop the Trump agenda of division and greed, and to ban assault weapons. It's a slap in the face to this grassroots movement that the DCCC only wants to offer 'thoughts and prayers' as a solution to an epidemic that has stolen so many lives." ....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/02/27/pushing-thoughts-and-prayers-dissing-medicare-all-dccc-called-out-sabotaging-bold

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28 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

From Pushing 'Thoughts and Prayers' to Dissing Medicare for All, DCCC Called Out for Sabotaging Bold Demands-

While House Democrats were urged to ignore Medicare for All as a viable solution to the nation's healthcare woes, a separate memo to lawmakers after Las Vegas shooting appeared to be "straight out of the NRA's talking points"

...." It's becoming evident that the DCCC—and the billionaire donors and revolving door consultants that make up the Democratic Party establishment—believe Democrats can only take back Congress by running on a watered down message...instead of the basic values of decency and fairness that voters demand, ".....

.... "Across the country, we're seeing grassroots activists come out in unprecedented numbers: to demand health care as a right, to stop the Trump agenda of division and greed, and to ban assault weapons. It's a slap in the face to this grassroots movement that the DCCC only wants to offer 'thoughts and prayers' as a solution to an epidemic that has stolen so many lives." ....

Is there anything more useless in America than Corporate Democrats?

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

From Pushing 'Thoughts and Prayers' to Dissing Medicare for All, DCCC Called Out for Sabotaging Bold Demands-

While House Democrats were urged to ignore Medicare for All as a viable solution to the nation's healthcare woes, a separate memo to lawmakers after Las Vegas shooting appeared to be "straight out of the NRA's talking points"

 

...." It's becoming evident that the DCCC—and the billionaire donors and revolving door consultants that make up the Democratic Party establishment—believe Democrats can only take back Congress by running on a watered down message...instead of the basic values of decency and fairness that voters demand, ".....

.... "Across the country, we're seeing grassroots activists come out in unprecedented numbers: to demand health care as a right, to stop the Trump agenda of division and greed, and to ban assault weapons. It's a slap in the face to this grassroots movement that the DCCC only wants to offer 'thoughts and prayers' as a solution to an epidemic that has stolen so many lives." ....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/02/27/pushing-thoughts-and-prayers-dissing-medicare-all-dccc-called-out-sabotaging-bold

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The bottom line is and has always been, if Dems cannot regain control of House, Senate and White House, it doesn't matter what they believe or want or how good their programs are.

The voters don't demand "basic values of decency and fairness" and never have.  They vote for what appeals to them personally and which politician they think will make it happen.  That is how Donald J. Trump got to be president and how the Republicans took over Congress, the Supreme Court and majority of state governments.

"Basic values of decency and fairness" are the bedrock principles of many racist, anti-immigrant and other bigoted organizations.  In their opinion.

A majority of people polled may be for stricter gun control, but the majority of voters don't vote on that as a deciding issue - yet.  Not to mention that "stricter gun control" is an ambiguous phrase.  The majority of voters still vote for the candidate most likely to deliver the several things which they want.  

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56 minutes ago, darkblue said:

 

Regarding the ticker at the bottom, their nuclear missile system haven't had a range limitation since the 1970's.:huh:

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8 hours ago, hamradio said:

Regarding the ticker at the bottom, their nuclear missile system haven't had a range limitation since the 1970's.:huh:

Doesn't hurt to remind dumb Americans, though. With so much concern paid to North Korea's limited range program, it could be easy for them to forget Russia's equality with the U.S.A.

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54 minutes ago, darkblue said:

Doesn't hurt to remind dumb Americans, though. With so much concern paid to North Korea's limited range program, it could be easy for them to forget Russia's equality with the U.S.A.

Doesn't help to remind dumb Americans either since they just forget.  :lol:

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41 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

 

Who is "Marie" and why is this significant?  Thanks.

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Illinois Democratic Party Chair Funds Mailers Attacking Progressive Candidates

 

" The Illinois Democratic machine has unleashed a wave of attacks on fellow Democrats in local races, with state party chair Michael Madigan funding mailers knocking several progressive candidates as Donald Trump stooges and foot soldiers in the tea party. .....

............... The battle between establishment Democrats and progressive insurgents is playing out in other races across the state as well. In the governor’s race, Daniel Biss, a mathematician and state senator who reported an income of less than $35,000 last year on his taxes is taking on billionaire J.B. Pritzker, who has poured in $56 million of his own money into his campaign so far. Pritzker is the leading frontrunner and received endorsements from the majority of County Democratic Party chairs in the state, as Biss has positioned himself as the progressive populist choice. In the state Senate, Biss managed to pass a bill he authored to establish a public campaign financing system for candidates who reach a certain number of small donors and cap individual donations at $500. .....

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/07/illinois-democratic-party-michael-madigan-mailers/

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7 minutes ago, TheCid said:

Who is "Marie" and why is this significant?  Thanks.

Good question since it relates to if a Sanders' endorsement helps or hurt a candidate,  especially in the General election.   E.g. what office is Marie running for and in which state???? 

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12 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Illinois Democratic Party Chair Funds Mailers Attacking Progressive Candidates

 

" The Illinois Democratic machine has unleashed a wave of attacks on fellow Democrats in local races, with state party chair Michael Madigan funding mailers knocking several progressive candidates as Donald Trump stooges and foot soldiers in the tea party. .....

............... The battle between establishment Democrats and progressive insurgents is playing out in other races across the state as well. In the governor’s race, Daniel Biss, a mathematician and state senator who reported an income of less than $35,000 last year on his taxes is taking on billionaire J.B. Pritzker, who has poured in $56 million of his own money into his campaign so far. Pritzker is the leading frontrunner and received endorsements from the majority of County Democratic Party chairs in the state, as Biss has positioned himself as the progressive populist choice. In the state Senate, Biss managed to pass a bill he authored to establish a public campaign financing system for candidates who reach a certain number of small donors and cap individual donations at $500. .....

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/07/illinois-democratic-party-michael-madigan-mailers/

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Apparently the Texas Democrats are involved in a civil war also.

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All one has to do is click on @Marie4Congress and the mystery

will be solved.

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