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POLITICOVerified account @politico 2h2 hours ago

 
 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi named a few priorities for the 116th Congress:

• lowering healthcare costs • rebuilding America's infrastructure • "common sense" background checks • ending discrimination against the LGBTQ community (Equality Act) • protecting DREAMers

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Ryan GrimVerified account @ryangrim

 
 
House Democrats’ first major effort will be to provide matching public money for small donations to political campaigns, which would be transformative

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In Democrats’ First Bill, There’s a Quiet Push to Make Public Campaign Finance a Reality

"....The provision is a largely overlooked part of a sweeping anti-corruption bill Democrats plan to start the year with and will be bestowed with the symbolic designation of HR1. The program, based on Maryland Rep. John Sarbanes’s “Government By the People Act of 2017,” would offer subsidies for individuals who want to make small contributions to political candidates. And eligible candidates would qualify for matching contributions that vary based on a candidate’s agreement to restrictions on how they finance their campaigns.

Combined with the broad surge of small-dollar contributions — Democrats alone raised more than $1 billion that way in 2018 — the public financing system would dramatically reshape the political economy of federal politics.....

 

House Democrats will also pursue related legislation, including but not limited to HR 1, that would enforce higher standards of disclosure and transparency with an aim to reveal sources of dark money in campaign funding, push for enhanced disclosure for online ads, limit coordination between Super PACs and campaigns where current federal law has failed, and revamp the Federal Election Commission’s authority for oversight and enforcement action.

A focus on reinstating voting rights, combatting partisan gerrymandering, addressing election security concerns, and revamping the Office of Government Ethics are all also part of the overall strategy to expand and restore the role of voters in the electoral process. ......

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/02/public-campaign-finance-hr1/

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Hey Cid,   I wrote the post above before reading today's L.A. Times.     What the newbie Dem members of Congress (mostly the 'progressives) are already asking for isn't going over well with the Dem House Establishment.   

1) Demanding to be given prime committee seats, when typically those are not granted until someone's 3rd or 4th term.   This is really upsetting incumbent House members that have 'waited for their turn'.   One even stated that these newbies are 'cutting in line'.

2) Indicated they would uses social media (tweets),  to voice their complaints (instead of the typical closed-door,  no public disclosure, meetings).   

3) Ocasio-Cortez has done both of the above as well as trying to use getting a seat on the Ways and Means Committee (a prime one),  for fund raising purposes (something it appears no one has ever done).   She said she wanted to be able to influence tax policy.    Of course other senior House Dems are not happy about that.   (and she has no experience in this area).

If Pelosi can get this herd of cats to form a consensus on policy,  she deserves a gold star.   Pelosi is tough so I don't think she will rollover but instead slap down these newbie punks.    Let the fun begin!

Note: I can see a newbie getting a committee seat if their prior experience supports it over other incumbent House members;  e.g.  a committee on the opioid crises and a newbie is a physician.   Otherwise,  the sense of entitlement of these newbies isn't going to go over well with Pelosi.   

 

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15 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Hey Cid,   I wrote the post above before reading today's L.A. Times.     What the newbie Dem members of Congress (mostly the 'progressives) are already asking for isn't going over well with the Dem House Establishment.   

1) Demanding to be given prime committee seats, when typically those are not granted until someone's 3rd or 4th term.   This is really upsetting incumbent House members that have 'waited for their turn'.   One even stated that these newbies are 'cutting in line'.

2) Indicated they would uses social media (tweets),  to voice their complaints (instead of the typical closed-door,  no public disclosure, meetings).   

3) Ocasio-Cortez has done both of the above as well as trying to use getting a seat on the Ways and Means Committee (a prime one),  for fund raising purposes (something it appears no one has ever done).   She said she wanted to be able to influence tax policy.    Of course other senior House Dems are not happy about that.   (and she has no experience in this area).

If Pelosi can get this herd of cats to form a consensus on policy,  she deserves a gold star.   Pelosi is tough so I don't think she will rollover but instead slap down these newbie punks.    Let the fun begin!

Note: I can see a newbie getting a committee seat if their prior experience supports it over other incumbent House members;  e.g.  a committee on the opioid crises and a newbie is a physician.   Otherwise,  the sense of entitlement of these newbies isn't going to go over well with Pelosi.   

 

Thanks for the information.

The one thing that Pelosi and other experienced Dem leaders are apparently recognizing is there is a difference between "show" legislation that looks good, but will never get past the Senate or Trump and realistic legislation that will at least get past the Senate.

The Newbies have received so much media attention and adoration that too many of them do not understand how government works, much less how the House works.  Also, if you **** off enough of the people who have been in the trenches for years, you won't succeed at much.

As for O-C, I am already tired of hearing about her and her stupid ideas.

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Progressive Ideas Matter to Voters.

So Why Do Democrats Fixate on the Identity of the Messenger?

 

....... Americans need a reason to go to the polls — something that makes them feel like their vote matters. Something more than being anti-Trump. Something ideological ........

Americans firmly agree that the system is rigged, its political institutions are failing the people, and that the American dream — already inaccessible to many due to structural prejudice — is increasingly out of reach. ...

The pragmatic approach is the progressive one. ......

“A few social media ideas for public servants looking to build an audience: Endorse Single-Payer Medicare for All. Hold Wall Street Accountable. Make Min Wage = Living Wage. . . Support a Federal Jobs Guarantee, Bail Out Student Debt, Legalize Marijuana ......

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/07/democratic-ideology/

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8 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Progressive Ideas Matter to Voters.

So Why Do Democrats Fixate on the Identity of the Messenger?

 

....... Americans need a reason to go to the polls — something that makes them feel like their vote matters. Something more than being anti-Trump. Something ideological ........

Americans firmly agree that the system is rigged, its political institutions are failing the people, and that the American dream — already inaccessible to many due to structural prejudice — is increasingly out of reach. ...

The pragmatic approach is the progressive one. ......

“A few social media ideas for public servants looking to build an audience: Endorse Single-Payer Medicare for All. Hold Wall Street Accountable. Make Min Wage = Living Wage. . . Support a Federal Jobs Guarantee, Bail Out Student Debt, Legalize Marijuana ......

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/07/democratic-ideology/

Uh,   because most of the time the Dem messenger is focused on their identity.

E.g.  Katie Hill, new CA House member,  made this comment in her first week:  "We're young. We look like and speak like the people that we're there to represent. 

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Progressive Ideas Matter to Voters.

So Why Do Democrats Fixate on the Identity of the Messenger?

 

....... Americans need a reason to go to the polls — something that makes them feel like their vote matters. Something more than being anti-Trump. Something ideological ........

Americans firmly agree that the system is rigged, its political institutions are failing the people, and that the American dream — already inaccessible to many due to structural prejudice — is increasingly out of reach. ...

The pragmatic approach is the progressive one. ......

“A few social media ideas for public servants looking to build an audience: Endorse Single-Payer Medicare for All. Hold Wall Street Accountable. Make Min Wage = Living Wage. . . Support a Federal Jobs Guarantee, Bail Out Student Debt, Legalize Marijuana ......

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/07/democratic-ideology/

Duh!  Wasn't that the focus of the Dems nationwide in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016?  If not specifically stated, at least implied.

Who controls most state governments?  Who controls the Senate by a firm margin?  Who sits in the White House and has appointed cabinet, Supreme Court justices and other officials totally opposed to the above?  Only bright spot for the Dems was regaining control of the House, which they could very easily lose in 2020.

 

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3 hours ago, TheCid said:

Duh!  Wasn't that the focus of the Dems nationwide in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016?  If not specifically stated, at least implied.

Who controls most state governments?  Who controls the Senate by a firm margin?  Who sits in the White House and has appointed cabinet, Supreme Court justices and other officials totally opposed to the above?  Only bright spot for the Dems was regaining control of the House, which they could very easily lose in 2020.

 

The strategy for the GOP to regain control of the House is to make the focus local for their candidate but national for the Dem candidate,  especially if Dem progressives and self described socialist continue to get so much MSM coverage.      I.e. a vote for the Dem candidate is a vote for far-left Dems in general (regardless of the actual positions of the Dem candidate).    This would require the Dem candidate to dish the far-left Dems (e.g. Hey, I don't support a top tax rate of 70%,,  I'm no Ocasio-Cortez!) if they wish to win in any purple state and even some just-blue districts.

Note that the Dems did something similar here in CA in 2018; A vote for the GOP is a vote for Trump (even though most of these GOP pols were 'moderate' and NOT Trump clones).

Funny but on Fox when discussing the two 'wings' for the Dem party someone called Pelosi a moderate.  Of course the other wing was the progressive\socialist Dems.     I know you view Pelosi as 'far-left',  but like I asked you before,  if she is far-left what is Ocasio-Cortez and so many of the other newbies?     Of course it doesn't matter how we label these politicians but how the MSM labels them will matter,  and if the overall Dem party comes off as too much to the left,   I can see the GOP taking back the House in 2020.

   

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On 1/8/2019 at 12:15 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:

Funny but on Fox when discussing the two 'wings' for the Dem party someone called Pelosi a moderate.  Of course the other wing was the progressive\socialist Dems.     I know you view Pelosi as 'far-left',  but like I asked you before,  if she is far-left what is Ocasio-Cortez and so many of the other newbies?     Of course it doesn't matter how we label these politicians but how the MSM labels them will matter,  and if the overall Dem party comes off as too much to the left,   I can see the GOP taking back the House in 2020.

   

Pelosi is pre-2016 Far Left (maybe pre-2014).  As we said in the Army, she is OBE - overtaken by events. The farther left has arisen and taken domination of the news media.  In this respect Pelosi is left leaning moderate by "new" Dem standards.

Of course, labels depend on the toipic at hand.  For example, I am a moderate Dem on social issues (liberal by S.C. standards), but a conservative on fiscal issues.

I think Pelosi is primarily a politician and intelligent enough to recognize what works and what does not in elections nationally.  While she would never admit it, she may have learned from the Affordable Care Act debacle.  "Let's pass it and then figure out what it means."

To a great extent, the GOPers gained control of the federal and most state governments by how they portrayed the Dems.  And then got their people out to vote, while the Dems stayed home and whined.

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13 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders 51m51 minutes ago

 

The time has come to fulfill and expand upon FDR’s vision that he laid out in 1944.

These are not radical ideas. They're supported by the majority of Americans. Working together, we can and we must achieve economic, social, racial, political and environmental justice for all.

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No one disagrees with this per se, not even the most conservative Republicans.  BUT, who is going to pay for it and how is it going to be implemented.  Then you have to delineate what kind of job, what's adequate, decent home, "good" education, ad infinitum.

It should be noted that FDR did not implement very many of these "Rights."

The fact that Bernie would send out trash such as this is further proof that he is totally unqualified to be president or even to be in US Senate.

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Chris GeidnerVerified account @chrisgeidner

 

BOOM: Trump received 10 personal updates about the Trump Tower Moscow project from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin, @JasonLeopold & @a_cormier_ report.

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Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu 18h18 hours ago

 

This stunning Trump Tower Moscow story establishes a clear case of Obstruction of Justice, a felony.

I've lost count now how many times @realDonaldTrump has engaged in Obstruction of Justice.

 

Oh, fyi the first Article of Impeachment for Richard Nixon was Obstruction of Justice.

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13 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Chris GeidnerVerified account @chrisgeidner

 

BOOM: Trump received 10 personal updates about the Trump Tower Moscow project from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin, @JasonLeopold & @a_cormier_ report.

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Ted LieuVerified account @tedlieu 18h18 hours ago

 

This stunning Trump Tower Moscow story establishes a clear case of Obstruction of Justice, a felony.

I've lost count now how many times @realDonaldTrump has engaged in Obstruction of Justice.

 

Oh, fyi the first Article of Impeachment for Richard Nixon was Obstruction of Justice.

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12 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

Rogue WH Snr Advisor @RogueSNRadvisor 7h7 hours ago

 
 

Anything less than a unified movement to impeach Trump by Congressional Dems is a dereliction of duty.

The President is a criminal. Start your engines!

Nixon never was impeached.  In addition, he was on tape directing a cover up of a breaking and entering crime-against the Dem Party.  Trump is guilty of trying to accomplish a business deal.  Standard practice in America and most of the world.   is it obstruction of justice or just a client telling his attorney to be discrete.  Maybe even to consider the Fifth Amendment.

 If the Dems impeach Trump based on what is known now, it will improve the GOPers chances in the 2020 elections at all levels.  Clinton was extremely disliked and impeached, yet he won reelction and the Dems gained seats in Congress.  The same would happen for Trump.

I'm tired of Ted Lieu trying to make himself into some kind of national figure.  He will appear on any "news" show just to get his name out there.  He is obviously angling for a CA senate or governorship run or even president.

As for "Rogue WH Snr Advisor," time to shut up or resign and let people know who you are.  Maybe not even a real person or not actually in the government at all.

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8 hours ago, mr6666 said:

POLITICOVerified account @politico 4h4 hours ago

 
 

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff and Financial Services Chairwoman Maxine Waters have begun discussions about how to coordinate oversight of Deutsche Bank,

which is under scrutiny from Democrats over its business dealings with Trump

 

8 hours ago, mr6666 said:

House Democrats probe how Jared Kushner got security clearance

The probe was launched "in response to grave breaches of national security at the highest levels of the Trump administration," said Rep. Elijah Cummings.
 

While neither of these are necessarily bad, I hope the Dems are very careful in how they pursue this.  They need to remember one thing.  If they attack the President of the United States and it is perceived as unfair by the majority of voters, Trump and the GOPers win.

All three of these Dems are well known for over reaching commentaries and a willingness to talk to any media outlets and express sensationalist comments.

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3 hours ago, TheCid said:

 

While neither of these are necessarily bad, I hope the Dems are very careful in how they pursue this.  They need to remember one thing.  If they attack the President of the United States and it is perceived as unfair by the majority of voters, Trump and the GOPers win.

All three of these Dems are well known for over reaching commentaries and a willingness to talk to any media outlets and express sensationalist comments.

I'm just anxious to FINALLY have some public recognition in Congress that SOMEthing is indeed suspicious with this corrupt administration !!

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Pelosi Statement on Special Counsel Indictment and Arrest of Trump Campaign Advisor Roger Stone

 

" The indictment of Roger Stone makes clear that there was a deliberate, coordinated attempt by top Trump campaign officials to influence the 2016 election and subvert the will of the American people.  It is staggering that the President has chosen to surround himself with people who violated the integrity of our democracy and lied to the FBI and Congress about it.

 

In the face of 37 indictments, the President’s continued actions to undermine the Special Counsel investigation raise the questions: what does Putin have on the President, politically, personally or financially? Why has the Trump Administration continued to discuss pulling the U.S. out of NATO, which would be a massive victory for Putin?

 

“Lying to Congress and witness tampering constitute grave crimes.  All who commit these illegal acts should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.  We cannot allow any effort to intimidate witnesses or prevent them from appearing before Congress. 

 

“The Special Counsel investigation is working, and the House will continue to exercise our constitutional oversight responsibility and ensure that the Special Counsel investigation can continue free from interference from the White House.”

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/12519-4/

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14 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Gritty 2020🔥Verified account @maxberger

 

Wall Street is freaking out about Democrats moving to the left.

They're terrified of @SenSanders and @ewarren.

But, they like @KamalaHarris, @SenGillibrand, @CoryBooker and @JoeBiden.

 

The 2020 nominee can represent Wall Street or working class people. Time to pick a side.

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I agree with the last two sentences.

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5 hours ago, TheCid said:

I agree with the last two sentences.

Saying 'time to pick a side' is exactly what Trump is hoping for.   

Trump won because he was able to exploit the divide Americans have on so many issues,  and win those battleground states where no one 'side' has a clear voter advantage (verses states like CA and NY).  

Trump could win again, if the Dems are perceived as having gone too far to the left by voters in those battleground states;  yea, they will have the popular vote but still lose in the EC.

It looks like this Berger is pushing Dems like Harris,  Biden, etc... to pick-a-side.  That might be the only strategy to win the Dem primary,  but it sounds like a losing one for the General election in those battleground states.

 

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