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As far as my county/part of the state, which is the only place I feel qualified to guess at with any certainty, I can't see any way anyone with a "D" next to their name can win any state or Representative post. But my area has seen a lot of growth in business and jobs in the past decade, so there isn't a big push to change things, except in the perceived "swamp" of D.C.

The GOP incumbents who were challenged by Dems in my area received vote totals above 70% - higher than ever before.  I'm sure a lot of that was from Trump voters, but still the only real election here is the primaries.

There are no Dems in the legislature from my end of state and very,very, very few at county level.

It's amazing they want to drain the swamp, but they keep sending the same people back.  Of course, Trump has gone to the swamp for his cabinet positions.

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Who do you think put Trump in the White House, McConnel as Majority Leader of the Senate and Ryan as Speaker of the House?  Who do you think elected over 30 GOP governors and gave control of most state legislatures to the GOP?  

The Dems, media and pollsters mistake was to think "that old disaffected white vote has one foot in the grave."  Maybe so, but it sure kicked hell out of the Democrats since 2010.

There may well be a time when the millenials or whoever is more leftist exercises more power, but not anytime soon.  They have displayed very little ability to influence elections and government in the US, except in a few states.  Even some of the most "liberal" states are becoming more conservative - the ones Trump won that he was supposed to lose and that have Republican governors.

Remember also, that people tend to become more centrist or conservative as they get older.  Not all, but a lot.

And they better get real damn active at the county and state level if they expect to do anything - and real damn fast.

 

They haven't been delivering the message.  Years of right wing brainwashing and fear mongering has done a number on Americans.  You need to tackle that head on.  Not run away from it.

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Pelosi got 68% of the vote to continue as minority leader in House. Vote was 134 to 63. This is worse than in 2010 when Democrats lost 63 seats and control of the House under Pelosi. Vote then was 150 to 43. However, the continuation of the Very Old Guard in leadership positions does not bode well for the 2018 elections nor for any real hope of progress during the next two years.

 

I dont see why they should throw her out just because the Dems lost. She's tough and experienced.

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They haven't been delivering the message.  Years of right wing brainwashing and fear mongering has done a number on Americans.  You need to tackle that head on.  Not run away from it.

 

Claiming that voters are just ignorant and brainwash as well as deplorable is a key reason why the Dems have lost so much power, at all levels of government since 2010.

 

The Dems need to run away from that elitist strategy.

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Claiming that voters are just ignorant and brainwashed as well as deplorable is a key reason why the Dems have lost so much power, at all levels of government since 2010.

 

The Dems need to run away from that elitist strategy.

 

Yep. They might as well have been saying they aren't one of us anymore.

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Yep. They might as well have been saying they aren't one of us anymore.

yeah, why would people vote for those who malign them? :huh:

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Claiming that voters are just ignorant and brainwash as well as deplorable is a key reason why the Dems have lost so much power, at all levels of government since 2010.

 

The Dems need to run away from that elitist strategy.

 

I never said you had to tell them that.  But it is a fact that the rise in the right wing attitude and the anti immigrant bias is due to brainwashing.  There may be better words for it such as 'conditioning'  but it is a trained response to the hammering home of the right wing ideology.  And they do a great job of it.  The GOP boasts about destroying unions and still manage to court the working class for votes.  So when I say brainwashed I mean condition the masses to vote for things that are against their own best interests.  Trump understands conditioning of his base.  Hate and Fear were great motivators for him.   Obviously those methods will not work for the democrats and you are right, telling people that they are being brainwashed will just insult them and make them turn away.  They may be lost for all time anyway - a few right here are.  But brainwashed they are!  Young people are drawn to social conscience issues.  The dems need to do a better job of getting out their own message.  And they must stop apologizing for it.

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They haven't been delivering the message.  Years of right wing brainwashing and fear mongering has done a number on Americans.  You need to tackle that head on.  Not run away from it.

I agree wtih that.  However, there are large parts of the "message" itself that are not acceptable to the vast majority of people who actually vote and run for office.

The Dems. need a better delivery and a better message.

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I dont see why they should throw her out just because the Dems lost. She's tough and experienced.

The Dems need a new leadership image.  She can use her toughness, experience and fund raising ability more behind the scenes.

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I never said you had to tell them that.  But it is a fact that the rise in the right wing attitude and the anti immigrant bias is due to brainwashing.  There may be better words for it such as 'conditioning'  but it is a trained response to the hammering home of the right wing ideology.  And they do a great job of it.  The GOP boasts about destroying unions and still manage to court the working class for votes.  So when I say brainwashed I mean condition the masses to vote for things that are against their own best interests.  Trump understands conditioning of his base.  Hate and Fear were great motivators for him.   Obviously those methods will not work for the democrats and you are right, telling people that they are being brainwashed will just insult them and make them turn away.  They may be lost for all time anyway - a few right here are.  But brainwashed they are!  Young people are drawn to social conscience issues.  The dems need to do a better job of getting out their own message.  And they must stop apologizing for it.

I have long believed that the GOP has some of the best minds when it comes to political advertising.  Who can disagree that pro-life sounds so much better than pro-choice?  There are many other catch phrases they have created over the years that by themselves defeated Democrats.  The Dems have got to do a better job at this type activity and Twitter proves it. 

Been watching Mad Men on AMC On Demand and the Dems really need a Don Draper.

I remember in the 70's and 80's all the people I knew who were "drawn to social conscience issues" and left of center if not outright liberal philosophies.  80% of them vote Republican and voted for Trump.

They need a better message and a better delivery system.  That's why they need new, younger leadership.

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Claiming that voters are just ignorant and brainwash as well as deplorable is a key reason why the Dems have lost so much power, at all levels of government since 2010.

 

The Dems need to run away from that elitist strategy.

Could you expand on your definition of elitist strategy?  To me, the Warren/Sanders/liberal wing is also very elitist.

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The Dems need a new leadership image.  She can use her toughness, experience and fund raising ability more behind the scenes.

 

 

No guarantee the new leadership (forget her rival's name) would be any better. Also read he's getting ready to run for governor here, so question his motives........

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So far, I've only read the most recent post at this blog, which was suggested to me by my spouse today:

 

https://seeyouin2020.blogspot.com/2016/11/democrats-have-nothing-to-lose-and.html

 

Democrats Have Nothing To Lose And Everything To Gain By Leaving Their Party

 

"As I elaborated on in a previous article, the approach of trying to reform the Democratic Party is not as easy as its advocates prefer to admit. What has become especially apparent this year with the blatant efforts from Democratic leaders to undermine Bernie Sanders' campaign is that the neoliberal wing of the party has many devices in place to protect its organization from reform. And even as a great deal of progressive activists aim to change it, though I don't doubt they'll make some progress, given the change-resistance nature of the Democratic Party, there's little chance that it will be sufficiently reformed in time for the extremely important 2020 election.

And that obstacle to reforming the party may well prove to be the final nail in its coffin. After forty years of increased economic exploitation, the public's patience for neoliberalism has grown very thin, and unless major changes soon occur within the Democratic Party, it will doubtless become diminished to near irrelevance. Even Robert Reich, who is currently working to reform the party, has written that if Democrats don't manage to remake themselves into something capable of systemic change, they will "be supplanted by another organization."

 

I'm looking forward to checking out some of the other pieces posted here, if this is an example of the type of thoughtful writing to expect. 

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The Democratic Party will survive and return. They were writing off the GOP years ago. It's still around. The DUMPster will drag down the GOP and the Dems will rise again. Old white men are dying off............

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The Democratic Party will survive and return. They were writing off the GOP years ago. It's still around. The DUMPster will drag down the GOP and the Dems will rise again. Old white men are dying off............

A very unscientific poll--

 

At my gym only, the old white men watch Fox. And when I say old, I don't mean anything younger than 75. Some come in on walkers to exercise.

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A very unscientific poll--

 

At my gym only, the old white men watch Fox. And when I say old, I don't mean anything younger than 75. Some come in on walkers to exercise.

 

 

LOL. Like I said.........

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren is calling on Democrats to be an actual opposition party in the coming era of Trumpism. And she is deploying a powerful tool to make the case for aggressive and unapologetic resistance to Republican hegemony: math.

 

“Republicans are taking over Congress. They are taking over the White House. But Republicans do not have majority support in this country,” declared the progressive senator from Massachusetts on the floor of the Senate this week. “The majority of voters supported Democratic Senate candidates over Republican ones, and the majority supported a Democratic presidential candidate over a Republican one.”

 

Democrats also got more votes for the US Senate than Republicans, and yet Republicans maintained their majority on Capitol Hill.” The preliminary count had Democratic Senate candidates gathering 46.2 million votes to 39.3 million for Republican candidates....

 

According to exit polls, 70 percent of voters said they think that the American economy and the lawmakers who oversee it are owned — owned! — by big companies and special interests. That’s 70 percent of everybody: Republicans, Democrats, independents.

 

The voters, Warren argued, want senators to challenge the big companies and special interests and to “stand up and work for the American people.”

 

Yes, Warren acknowledged, “Republicans will control this government.”

“But,” she concluded, “they cannot hand over that control to big corporations unless Democrats roll over and allow them to do so.”

 

http://billmoyers.com/story/elizabeth-warren-proposes-strengthen-democratic-spines-powerful-new-tool-math/

 

-too bad she rolled over to the Clinton machine.

THINK what a Trump opponent Warren would have been!

aah well....

^_^

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren is calling on Democrats to be an actual opposition party in the coming era of Trumpism. And she is deploying a powerful tool to make the case for aggressive and unapologetic resistance to Republican hegemony: math.

 

“Republicans are taking over Congress. They are taking over the White House. But Republicans do not have majority support in this country,” declared the progressive senator from Massachusetts on the floor of the Senate this week. “The majority of voters supported Democratic Senate candidates over Republican ones, and the majority supported a Democratic presidential candidate over a Republican one.”

 

-too bad she rolled over to the Clinton machine.

THINK what a Trump opponent Warren would have been!

aah well....

^_^

First she would have had to be elected and that wouldn't happen.

The Dems need to move on from this "majority" thing as it does not mean anything in the US form of government.  It is helpful for pointing out, but doesn't matter in th e long run.  Actually the majority of people either did not vote or voted against the Democratic Party.  So the Dems do not represent the majority (whatevere that really is).

While a majority of voters in CA, NY, etc. may have voted Democratic, they do not elect senators from the other states.

The MAJORITY of House and Senate members are Republican, the President is Republican, the majority of governors are Republican, the majority of state legislative bodies are Republican.

Hopefully the Democrats will be able to exert influence over the direction of the government, primarily in the Senate.

 

The Democratic Party is the best hope of improving this country and restricting the Republicans.  Abandoning it for a new party will only enable the GOPers to exert even greater control over the country.

 

People need to remember that a successful party starts at the county and state level.  If you cannot win here, you cannot get to the House, Senate and White House.

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A majority of the people who voted in the presidential election voted for Hillary Clinton. She was the choice of the electorate despite the other circumstances and that's something the people in this country are going to have to deal with it.

 

One of these days reality is going to sit in on this country. And if something isn't done to meet that reality, we're going to have a very unpleasant future.

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First she would have had to be elected and that wouldn't happen.

The Dems need to move on from this "majority" thing as it does not mean anything in the US form of government. It is helpful for pointing out, but doesn't matter in th e long run. Actually the majority of people either did not vote or voted against the Democratic Party. So the Dems do not represent the majority (whatevere that really is).

While a majority of voters in CA, NY, etc. may have voted Democratic, they do not elect senators from the other states.

The MAJORITY of House and Senate members are Republican, the President is Republican, the majority of governors are Republican, the majority of state legislative bodies are Republican.

Hopefully the Democrats will be able to exert influence over the direction of the government, primarily in the Senate.

 

The Democratic Party is the best hope of improving this country and restricting the Republicans. Abandoning it for a new party will only enable the GOPers to exert even greater control over the country.

 

People need to remember that a successful party starts at the county and state level. If you cannot win here, you cannot get to the House, Senate and White House.

 

What you just said is the majority of people who voted in the United States do not matter.

 

Just think about what you just said.

 

Whether the wording in the law is changed so that the majority of people in this country do matter - - in reality they are the majority of people in this country who voted and they have to matter.

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I'm old enough to remember when people said that we would never end segregation

And that women would never be allowed to have equality with men.

 

That changed before I was even out of college.

 

Better than that I can remember just back 10 years when they said that gay people wouldn't be allowed to marry legally.

 

When the majority of people in a Country like this one want something, then it will happen.

 

I'm not speaking as an idealistic person; I'm speaking from the reality of my experience.

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I'm old enough to remember when people said that we would never end segregation

And that women would never be allowed to have equality with men.

 

That changed before I was even out of college.

 

Better than that I can remember just back 10 years when they said that gay people wouldn't be allowed to marry legally.

 

When the majority of people in a Country like this one want something, then it will happen.

 

I'm not speaking as an idealistic person; I'm speaking from the reality of my experience.

"Life is like a box of chocolate"

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It's from a movie, people like Eleanor Roosevelt and Martin Luther King never thought that way.

King's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which the civil rights leader advocated non-violent resistance to racism, saying that "an unjust law is no law at all."

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King's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which the civil rights leader advocated non-violent resistance to racism, saying that "an unjust law is no law at all."

I don't need a lesson in American history from you.

 

Millennials are a different generation of people and they will deal with their own personal situation in any way that they see fit.

 

Just as the Baby Boomers dealt with their issues in terms of the Vietnam War as we saw fit.

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