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The Trump Tower Hillbillies : What in the World is the Matter with Trump Supporters? Are They Crazy?

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4 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Again,  character is overrated as it relates to determining how someone votes.    Partisans are hypocrites.   This is why most in the GOP voted for Trump and why most Dems voted for Bill Clinton (as well as many other examples especially for local \ state offices).      

Are you really saying you would NOT vote for a PM candidate where you agreed with 90% of their policy stances but instead the other PM where you disagreed with 90% of their policy stances,  because the one you agree with has character issues?     

 

I don't wish to keep re-litigating the election or encouraging the bobsy twins to unearth irrelevant Hillary Clinton videos.

I could easily vote conservative in Canada as they are not totally against the environment, gays, transexuals, abortion, blacks, the poor.  All of our parties dare not mess with health care for all.  They are not for easing gun controls or attacks on wildlife and the environment.  No one would remain party leader for long if they were exposed as sexual criminals or someone who encouraged violence at rallies or cheated workers or investors.

I would never ever vote for someone like Trump.  You might as well be casting a vote for an insane Adolf Hitler.  I would rather not vote at all or spoil my ballot or vote for a write-in or a third party.  Those that voted for Tump knowing what a truly evil person he is should be ashamed of themselves.

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12 minutes ago, Bogie56 said:

I don't wish to keep re-litigating the election or encouraging the bobsy twins to unearth irrelevant Hillary Clinton videos.

I could easily vote conservative in Canada as they are not totally against the environment, gays, transexuals, abortion, blacks, the poor.  All of our parties dare not mess with health care for all.  They are not for easing gun controls or attacks on wildlife and the environment.  No one would remain party leader for long if they were exposed as sexual criminals or someone who encouraged violence at rallies or cheated workers or investors.

I would never ever vote for someone like Trump.  You might as well be casting a vote for an insane Adolf Hitler.  I would rather not vote at all or spoil my ballot or vote for a write-in or a third party.  Those that voted for Tump knowing what a truly evil person he is should be ashamed of themselves.

While it is nice to see a partisan (assuming you are a member of the liberal Canadian party),  that would vote across party lines, my experience says that is an exception,  especially here in the USA.     

But I do agree that Trump is also an exception to the rule of 'partisans rarely vote across party lines': his character is so poor,  his mental heal so unstable,  (and this was clear during the GOP primary,  regardless of what conservatives like Ham say),  that it is hard for anyone to justify voting for him.      Even the 'lesser evil' defense doesn't apply to a Trump voter since Trump was a much, much greater 'evil' than Hillary Clinton.   

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1 minute ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

While it is nice to see a partisan (assuming you are a member of the liberal Canadian party),  that would vote across party lines, my experience says that is an exception,  especially here in the USA.     

But I do agree that Trump is also an exception to the rule of 'partisans rarely vote across party lines': his character is so poor,  his mental heal so unstable,  (and this was clear during the GOP primary,  regardless of what conservatives like Ham say),  that it is hard for anyone to justify voting for him.      Even the 'lesser evil' defense doesn't apply to a Trump voter since Trump was a much, much greater 'evil' than Hillary Clinton.   

Canada has a solid three party system.  I usually vote NDP, or the Labour Socialist party.  But I have to say I am quite happy with Trudeau.   If Bernie Sanders were to run in Canada he could easily run as a Conservative.  

Conservatives in Canada and Britain don't dare mess with health care, seniors or human rights.  Once you have health care for all it is pretty hard to take it away.

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The Recruitables: Why Trump’s Team Was Easy Prey for Putin

A former CIA officer looks at the personality traits that might have allowed Russian intelligence to manipulate key members of the president’s inner circle.

"How do you get someone to do something they should not do?

 

Generally, an intelligence officer looks for a person’s vulnerabilities and explores ways to exploit them. It usually comes down to four things, which—in true government style—the CIA has encompassed in an acronym, MICE: Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego. Want to get someone to betray his country? Figure out which of these four motivators drives the person and exploit the hell out of it....

Sometimes, such people make the best assets. They are so sure in their convictions that they are acting in their own best interest or in the best interest of their country that they have no idea they are being completely manipulated.

The Russians know all this, too...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/26/trump-team-prey-putin-215743

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18 hours ago, mr6666 said:

:lol:

NewsweekVerified account @Newsweek 17m17 minutes ago

Trump fans want Hillary Clinton impeached—even though she's not president http://bit.ly/2htFCqj 

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To answer the OP, I would just say just downright stupid. No surprises there-- this is the result of poor public education, poor home training and parents who probably taught bigotry in the home.

 

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26 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

To answer the OP, I would just say just downright stupid. No surprises there-- this is the result of poor public education, poor home training and parents who probably taught bigotry in the home.

 

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that's not hillary clinton.:D

 

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15 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

Apologies to any sane people living in Florida but one African American Trump supporter from Florida was on a CNN panel this morning and was asked to grade the president's performance thus far.  Naturally he gave him an 'A' but also added "let me put it to you this way.  If Christ came down off the cross and said that Trump was with Russia I would go to the president and ask him first."

This braindead dude also goes to Mar-o-laga every time Trump appears and holds a sign that reads "Bless You Trump."  All politicians and the media are part of the establishment swamp and Trump is "the way."

Salman Rushdie called this sort of phenomenon a "break with reality."  But then again he stayed in school past grade five and wears glasses so you can hardly trust him.

 

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The Nationalist's Delusion

Trump’s supporters backed a time-honored American political tradition, disavowing racism while promising to enact a broad agenda of discrimination.

 

"... Trumpism emerged from a haze of delusion, denial, pride, and cruelty—not as a historical anomaly, but as a profoundly American phenomenon. This explains both how tens of millions of white Americans could pull the lever for a candidate running on a racist platform and justify doing so, and why a predominantly white political class would search so desperately for an alternative explanation for what it had just seen. To acknowledge the centrality of racial inequality to American democracy is to question its legitimacy—so it must be denied.

............... a majority of white voters backed a candidate who assured them that they will never have to share this country with people of color as equals. That is the reality that all Americans will have to deal with, and one that most of the country has yet to confront.

Yet at its core, white nationalism has and always will be a hustle, a con, a fraud that cannot deliver the broad-based prosperity it promises, not even to most white people. Perhaps the most persuasive argument against Trumpist nationalism is not one its opponents can make in a way that his supporters will believe. But the failure of Trump’s promises to white America may yet show that both the fruit and the tree are poison."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/

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On 12/30/2017 at 7:14 AM, jakeem said:

SCOOP: FBI investigating former Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, a Donald Trump surrogate, according to search warrant affidavit I just stumbled upon. Heads up @journalsentinel @realDonaldTrump

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On 12/30/2017 at 2:56 PM, jakeem said:

I am UNINTIMIDATED by lib media attempts to smear and discredit me with their FAKE NEWS reports designed to silence me. I will continue to poke them in the eye with a sharp stick and **** slap these ******** til they get it. I have been attacked by better people than them #MAGA

 Reportedly Clarke harassed,  questioned and had a man detained by law enforcement because  upon recognizing Clarke, while boarding an airplane, the gentleman had shook his head.

Source:  "FBI Affidavit Details Ex-Sheriff David Clarke's Intimidation of a Fellow Passenger", Huffington Post, 12/30/17

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14 hours ago, jakeem said:

Paul Krugman Retweeted Noah Smith

The central fact of U.S. political economy, the source of our exceptionalism, is that lower-income whites vote for politicians who redistribute income upward and weaken the safety net because they think the welfare state is for nonwhites 

Now, the truth is that they're wrong: consider how much, say, West Virginia -- a depressed state with a very white population -- benefits from Medicaid and food stamps. Yet it voted overwhelmingly for Trump

And by voting against its own interests, the white working class isn't just making itself poorer, it's literally killing itself https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/6_casedeaton.pdf 

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My Grandma used to call this sort of thing: " Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

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37 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

My Grandma used to call this sort of thing: " Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Exactly.  I was told during the campaign that voters wished to throw a grenade at government.  My response was a vote for Trump would be like having the grenade go off in your hand.

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On 10/24/2017 at 5:51 PM, Bogie56 said:

I don't wish to keep re-litigating the election or encouraging the bobsy twins to unearth irrelevant Hillary Clinton videos.

I could easily vote conservative in Canada as they are not totally against the environment, gays, transexuals, abortion, blacks, the poor.  All of our parties dare not mess with health care for all.  They are not for easing gun controls or attacks on wildlife and the environment.  No one would remain party leader for long if they were exposed as sexual criminals or someone who encouraged violence at rallies or cheated workers or investors.

I would never ever vote for someone like Trump.  You might as well be casting a vote for an insane Adolf Hitler.  I would rather not vote at all or spoil my ballot or vote for a write-in or a third party.  Those that voted for Tump knowing what a truly evil person he is should be ashamed of themselves.

hollywood stars long revered by the public theatrically depict the most ugliest evil acts human beings can commit.

from murder to mutilation. they do it for the money while the rest of us derive a sense of entertainment from dramatic depictions of what is not truly happening and is not real.

how depraved and evil is that? is anyone who likes trump and doesn't mind his colorful eccentricities evil also?

I oppose abortion on moral religious grounds, am I evil for that? just why is trump evil???

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1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:

hollywood stars long revered by the public theatrically depict the most ugliest evil acts human beings can commit.

from murder to mutilation. they do it for the money while the rest of us derive a sense of entertainment from dramatic depictions of what is not truly happening and is not real.

how depraved and evil is that? is anyone who likes trump and doesn't mind his colorful eccentricities evil also?

I oppose abortion on moral religious grounds, am I evil for that? just why is trump evil???

No, you are not evil for opposing abortion.  That is your decision if you are ever called to take part in that choice.  I'm fine with that.  But where do you get off saying that others should not have the same choice that we would allow you?  Especially women who did not want a pregnancy?

And bringing in fictional movies in comparison to the very real evil things that Trump is doing is just stupid.

But who is more stupid?  Probably myself for engaging in a totally idiotic discussion.

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To repeat, folks vote for many more reasons than just plain economic ones.

Social issues are still very important to some voters. Trump isn't evil, he's

just a dip****.

 

David Clarke, heavy medal fan number one.

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2 hours ago, Vautrin said:

To repeat, folks vote for many more reasons than just plain economic ones.

Social issues are still very important to some voters. Trump isn't evil, he's

just a dip****.

 

David Clarke, heavy medal fan number one.

While what you say is true the economy is the main factor (reason),  that decide how people vote.  

Social issues matter but mostly to well off people.    

And of course Trump isn't evil.    That is just immature nonsense from those that are unable to logically attack what is lacking in Trump (which is a lot!).

 

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3 hours ago, jakeem said:

I keep warning the LYING LIB MEDIA and their liberal goons NOT TO POKE THE DOG because I BITE BACK. They continue to think I will take their DRIVE-BY HIT SMEARS lying down. I WASN’T BUILT TO BACK DOWN. They are not used to THIS conservative’s style of SMASH-MOUTH POLITICS #MAGA.

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More from Sheriff Clarke--

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5 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

While what you say is true the economy is the main factor (reason),  that decide how people vote.  

Social issues matter but mostly to well off people.    

And of course Trump isn't evil.    That is just immature nonsense from those that are unable to logically attack what is lacking in Trump (which is a lot!).

 

I think it's an important factor, but only one of many. Obviously it's more important

to some voters than others. Voting has as much to do with emotion as rational

considerations. I think there were a lot of working and middle class Trump voters

who saw in him someone who would return back the clock before all the "rot" set

in, the "rot" being more societal than economic.

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43 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

I think it's an important factor, but only one of many. Obviously it's more important

to some voters than others. Voting has as much to do with emotion as rational

considerations. I think there were a lot of working and middle class Trump voters

who saw in him someone who would return back the clock before all the "rot" set

in, the "rot" being more societal than economic.

Go back to a time when middle class white men didn't have to compete with educated women, educated minorities, and educated immigrants for jobs.

Or better yet, when there were still a lot of good paying factory jobs for working class white men.

It's time that some people in this society learn that capitalism thrives on competition, domestically and globally. It's a very good system, unless you find yourself at the bottom of the rung.

It's almost hilarious that people who are against globalism would vote for a man who is making his money by Outsourcing his family businesses  and utilizing foreign workers domestically.

But what you're too stupid to know or too stupid to believe won't hurt you. LOL

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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:

Go back to a time when middle class white men didn't have to compete with educated women, educated minorities, and educated immigrants for jobs.

Or better yet, when there were still a lot of good paying factory jobs for working class white men.

It's time that some people in this society learn that capitalism thrives on competition, domestically and globally. It's a very good system, unless you find yourself at the bottom of the rung.

It's almost hilarious that people who are against globalism would vote for a man who is making his money by Outsourcing his family businesses  and utilizing foreign workers domestically.

But what you're too stupid to know or too stupid to believe won't hurt you. LOL

Well in the capitalist system the worker sells his labor for whatever he can

get. The capitalist isn't really interested in keeping the worker in a certain

economic position. There is a theory that in the U.S. the years from around

1945 to 1970 or so were a perfect economic storm that can no longer be

replicated in today's world. One effect was to do away with a lot of those

then good paying factory jobs. 

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52 minutes ago, Vautrin said:

Well in the capitalist system the worker sells his labor for whatever he can

get. The capitalist isn't really interested in keeping the worker in a certain

economic position. There is a theory that in the U.S. the years from around

1945 to 1970 or so were a perfect economic storm that can no longer be

replicated in today's world. One effect was to do away with a lot of those

then good paying factory jobs. 

As Princess of Tap mentioned above it was only perfect if you were a white male.  Women and minorities were paid peanuts to do the same job as white males.  Women who were single parents and their families had it tough as a result.  They might say that things today are much better.

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8 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

While what you say is true the economy is the main factor (reason),  that decide how people vote.  

Social issues matter but mostly to well off people.    

And of course Trump isn't evil.    That is just immature nonsense from those that are unable to logically attack what is lacking in Trump (which is a lot!).

 

There are alot of both economic and social factors that led to Trump becoming president. Many felt disenfranchised by the left and felt the "liberal elite" don't truly care about them. Others were racists and idiots who bought into fear mongering that if Trump didn't win America would be destroyed by foreigners and non-christians. Trump just chose to run at a good time where he could use the anger and fear of others to his advantage.

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17 hours ago, Vautrin said:

To repeat, folks vote for many more reasons than just plain economic ones.

Social issues are still very important to some voters. Trump isn't evil, he's

just a dip****.

 

David Clarke, heavy medal fan number one.

I think a lot of them say it is for economic reasons to mask the "societal"  reasons they really vote.  Trump and the GOP capitalize on that.

15 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

While what you say is true the economy is the main factor (reason),  that decide how people vote.  

Social issues matter but mostly to well off people.    

And of course Trump isn't evil.    That is just immature nonsense from those that are unable to logically attack what is lacking in Trump (which is a lot!).

 

Probably not even true in CA.  The people I know, mostly not "well off," vote on social, racist or hate issues.  They may say it is economic, but they really do not expect their lot to actually improve - and they know it.  The well off are more likely to vote on economic issues as their lot will improve.

11 hours ago, Vautrin said:

I think it's an important factor, but only one of many. Obviously it's more important

to some voters than others. Voting has as much to do with emotion as rational

considerations. I think there were a lot of working and middle class Trump voters

who saw in him someone who would return back the clock before all the "rot" set

in, the "rot" being more societal than economic.

True.

10 hours ago, Vautrin said:

Well in the capitalist system the worker sells his labor for whatever he can

get. The capitalist isn't really interested in keeping the worker in a certain

economic position. There is a theory that in the U.S. the years from around

1945 to 1970 or so were a perfect economic storm that can no longer be

replicated in today's world. One effect was to do away with a lot of those

then good paying factory jobs. 

One of the things that made the economic miracle in US was the rise in unions.  Even those who were not in unions benefited from the increased wages and benefits all employers provided.  This gave the worker disposable income to make purchases from small businesses and to purchase products made by other workers.  Of course, the inability of Europe and Asia to compete after WW II also helped the American production economy.

While it took a while, more blacks and women also came into the working place and advanced to higher levels.  In 1965 I worked one summer for a major company in a big factory.  Blacks only worked as janitors and very few of them.  In 1969, I worked same place before going into the Army.  Lot of blacks in many jobs and my supervisor was one.

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15 hours ago, Bogie56 said:

As Princess of Tap mentioned above it was only perfect if you were a white male.  Women and minorities were paid peanuts to do the same job as white males.  Women who were single parents and their families had it tough as a result.  They might say that things today are much better.

A perfect economic storm in the sense that after WW II things came together that

aided the U.S. economy in general. It certainly wasn't perfect in the sense that

everyone benefited equally from it. 

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