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Trump Is Not a Legitimate President

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 Let's see, Bill Clinton messed with an intern in the White House while President, then lied about it. And Hillary couldn't even handle an email server while Secretary of State, and lied about it. Yep, its all Trump and the Russians fault.

 

Your partisanship is showing again. If the Russians had been behind embarrassing Republican email leaks during the election you'd be screaming about it.

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To be a Patriot in the United States, you have to believe in democracy, equality and fairness for all. There is no place for the glass house of racism in a democracy like the United States.

 

Falsely accusing people of racism is about the lowest form of demagoguery. Its what people do when they have nothing else to say.

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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to......

 

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!

 

 

Boy, you got it easy, Jake. Just blindly post and paste a right wing internet fake news much of the time headline or a Trump tweet. No thinking required on your part; certainly few attempts to articulate.

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Your partisanship is showing again. If the Russians had been behind embarrassing Republican email leaks during the election you'd be screaming about it.

 

There is no proof on who was behind the hacking, and those email leaks had nothing to do with Hillary losing the election. She lost because she was a horrible candidate, she mismanaged her whole campaign. In the final days of the election- she, Bill, Obama and everyone else were out campaigning for her. She lost, it is time to move on.

 

BTW, it is really funny how those that came up with the weapons of mass destruction are supposed to be believed on the emails, you can't have it both ways.

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There is no proof on who was behind the hacking, and those email leaks had nothing to do with Hillary losing the election. She lost because she was a horrible candidate, she mismanaged her whole campaign. In the final days of the election- she, Bill, Obama and everyone else were out campaigning for her. She lost, it is time to move on.

 

BTW, it is really funny how those that came up with the weapons of mass destruction are supposed to be believed on the emails, you can't have it both ways.

 

Clinton was comfortably ahead in the polls and Trump was floundering - until James Comey put the email issue back on the front burner once again 11 days before the election. After that the momentum swung to Trump and he never lost it.

 

I tend to think that Comey played a bigger hand than even the Russian hacking in swinging the election in the last week and a half.

 

So the intelligence community blew it on the WMD. We all know that. But does that mean that you never again believe anything they have to say, or are you always going to sight WMD regarding intelligence reports whenever it suits your partisan political beliefs? How convenient.

 

Just like Trump, except even he now acknowledges it was the Russians behind Wikileaks.

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 Let's see, Bill Clinton messed with an intern in the White House while President, then lied about it. And Hillary couldn't even handle an email server while Secretary of State, and lied about it. Yep, its all Trump and the Russians fault.

 

You are changing your point.  You said Clinton had only herself to blame and the Russians did nothing wrong.  I made the point that yes she may have been careless but the hacking was still criminal.  Even Trump acknowledges that the Russians did it.

And as for the weapons of mass destruction argument I guess you can now apply that to everything anyone ever says in government forevermore if you don't like the sound of it.

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Your partisanship is showing again. If the Russians had been behind embarrassing Republican email leaks during the election you'd be screaming about it.

yeah, but the democrats are the ones screaming about it because hillary blew it. :lol:

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Clinton was comfortably ahead in the polls and Trump was floundering - until James Comey put the email issue back on the front burner once again 11 days before the election. After that the momentum swung to Trump and he never lost it.

 

I tend to think that Comey played a bigger hand than even the Russian hacking in swinging the election in the last week and a half.

 

So the intelligence community blew it on the WMD. We all know that. But does that mean that you never again believe anything they have to say, or are you always going to sight WMD regarding intelligence reports whenever it suits your partisan political beliefs? How convenient.

 

Just like Trump, except even he now acknowledges it was the Russians behind Wikileaks.

And what role did Loretta Lynch play in causing Comey to have a bigger role?
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And what role did Loretta Lynch play in causing Comey to have a bigger role?

 

my thoughts exactly.

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And what role did Loretta Lynch play in causing Comey to have a bigger role?

 

 

What Lynch said or didn't say behind the scenes is a side issue. It was Comey's decision to interfere in the election 11 days before the end, and he bears responsibility for his behaviour which, I think, clearly influenced the final results.

 

You don't want to criticize him strictly because he helped your guy win, ignoring the inappropriateness of his action.

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What Lynch said or didn't say behind the scenes is a side issue. It was Comey's decision to interfere in the election 11 days before the end, and he bears responsibility for his behaviour which, I think, clearly influenced the final results.

 

You don't want to criticize him strictly because he helped your guy win, ignoring the inappropriateness of his action.

Your satisfied to look at the sunset but you can't put your partisanship aside to look at the sunrise,"cause and effect". That's alright, I welcome the Inspector Generals probe and lets see what comes out.

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Falsely accusing people of racism is about the lowest form of demagoguery. Its what people do when they have nothing else to say.

 

I don't know what you're talking about - - but I have no guilt-- I have no guilty feelings or any problems with anything I've ever written on this website.

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I don't know what you're talking about - - but I have no guilt-- I have no guilty feelings or any problems with anything I've ever written on this website.

That's unusual. I post like a machine gun, often not pondering before I post. I regret some of my posts. You must consider your posts very carefully.

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That's unusual. I post like a machine gun, often not pondering before I post. I regret some of my posts. You must consider your posts very carefully.

 

I've read most of the stuff that you posted and it's usually very witty and funny. You do things off the top of your head and they're often very clever. I enjoy them very much, for the most part.

 

Fra--

 

I was trained as a journalist, and I was taught that every word counted:

Don't waste words - - and mean everything you say.

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What Lynch said or didn't say behind the scenes is a side issue. It was Comey's decision to interfere in the election 11 days before the end, and he bears responsibility for his behaviour which, I think, clearly influenced the final results.

 

You don't want to criticize him strictly because he helped your guy win, ignoring the inappropriateness of his action.

 

I believe there is a tie between what Comey did and Lynch.   After Lynch made that terrible decision to meet with Bill Clinton (regardless of what occurs the perception tainted her) she had to move to the background and that pushed Comey to the foreground.      Trump supporters will say that (Lynch having to hide) forced Comey to 'do his duty' while Hillary supporters will say that it opened the door for Comey to act in an inappropriate manner.

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I believe there is a tie between what Comey did and Lynch.   After Lynch made that terrible decision to meet with Bill Clinton (regardless of what occurs the perception tainted her) she had to move to the background and that pushed Comey to the foreground.      Trump supporters will say that (Lynch having to hide) forced Comey to 'do his duty' while Hillary supporters will say that it opened the door for Comey to act in an inappropriate manne

 

I know that, James. But, aside from Lynch, no one forced Comey to send that letter about the new emails so close to the election (especially since they turned out to be a big nothing). That was his decision and the blame (or admiration by some) for it falls on his shoulders.

 

Comey's interference had a major impact on who won the election, in my opinion. Many voters sitting indecisively on the wall about Clinton decided against her because of that.

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in my opinion. Many voters sitting indecisively on the wall about Clinton decided against her because of that.

i do hope so. :lol:

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i do hope so. :lol:

 

Right, because it helped your guy. But Comey was still wrong to do so.

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Right, because it helped your guy. But Comey was still wrong to do so.

perhaps you are right. comey may have gotten personal. what would have caused that? loretta lynch accidentally bumping into bill clinton at the airport?

 

think nothing of it, jim. it just happened. :lol:

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So if you have left your door unlocked and it just so happens that a gang enter and murder your family and steal everything you have only yourself to blame?   

 

I believe this instance is more along the lines of thieves stealing the loot of other thieves āla: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998).

 

She illegally used a private server specifically so that her e-mails would be outside the scrutiny and access normally associated with government servers. This was her method of protecting herself against investigations of ethics violations and to prevent whistleblowers from publicizing her comments. It has been found that she had a plan to later cherry-pick which e-mails would be archived as part of the official record of her term. The original FBI finding was that her actions were illegal. 

 

It would have worked well if she and her staff were not incompetent buffoons incapable of understanding basic security precautions.

 

The foreign hacking may have been immoral and/or unethical and/or many other things but I doubt that it was technically illegal. There is no proof that the hacking was performed from within the United States of America. Many countries have no laws against the hacking of foreign websites or computers. International law has been purposely crafted to be quite fuzzy on the issue because no country wishes to have impediments to their hacking of their enemy's computers. FSB's hackers working from offices in Moscow and IRA Ltd's hackers working from offices on Savushkina Street are as immune from America's cyber-laws as Americans are immune from Tehran's law that all adulteresses be stoned to death. 

 

I find it perversely amusing that many think that the hacking demonstrates that Russia wished Trump to win. This false belief plays directly into Putin's scheme. The intent was to sow discord and suspicion. It accomplished this goal perfectly. I feel that this should come as no surprise because it follows the teachings of Sun Tzu. The decision to not widely publicize e-mails hacked from RNC computers was obviously based on the fact that those e-mails would not have been as divisive and would attract far fewer raving maniacs who would further distort the basic facts of the incident and would demonize any who they thought profited from it.

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I believe this instance is more along the lines of thieves stealing the loot of other thieves āla: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998).

 

She illegally used a private server specifically so that her e-mails would be outside the scrutiny and access normally associated with government servers. This was her method of protecting herself against investigations of ethics violations and to prevent whistleblowers from publicizing her comments. It has been found that she had a plan to later cherry-pick which e-mails would be archived as part of the official record of her term. The original FBI finding was that her actions were illegal. 

 

It would have worked well if she and her staff were not incompetent buffoons incapable of understanding basic security precautions.

 

The foreign hacking may have been immoral and/or unethical and/or many other things but I doubt that it was technically illegal. There is no proof that the hacking was performed from within the United States of America. Many countries have no laws against the hacking of foreign websites or computers. International law has been purposely crafted to be quite fuzzy on the issue because no country wishes to have impediments to their hacking of their enemy's computers. FSB's hackers working from offices in Moscow and IRA Ltd's hackers working from offices on Savushkina Street are as immune from America's cyber-laws as Americans are immune from Tehran's law that all adulteresses be stoned to death. 

 

I find it perversely amusing that many think that the hacking demonstrates that Russia wished Trump to win. This false belief plays directly into Putin's scheme. The intent was to sow discord and suspicion. It accomplished this goal perfectly. I feel that this should come as no surprise because it follows the teachings of Sun Tzu. The decision to not widely publicize e-mails hacked from RNC computers was obviously based on the fact that those e-mails would not have been as divisive and would attract far fewer raving maniacs who would further distort the basic facts of the incident and would demonize any who they thought profited from it.

 

You seem to be combining two separate scandals. AFAIK, Hillary's private server that was the subject of the DOJ and FBI investigation was not hacked by the Russians. The computers hacked by the Russians were John Podesta's computer at the Clinton campaign, and the DNC (Democratic National Comittee) computers. 

 

As far as Russia/Putin wanting Trump to win over Clinton, I (and many others elsewhere) have posted many times that Trump will lift the sanctions against Russia quickly, whereas Hillary most likely would not have. The Exxon deal alone was worth $500 billion.

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I believe this instance is more along the lines of thieves stealing the loot of other thieves āla: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998).

 

She illegally used a private server specifically so that her e-mails would be outside the scrutiny and access normally associated with government servers. This was her method of protecting herself against investigations of ethics violations and to prevent whistleblowers from publicizing her comments. It has been found that she had a plan to later cherry-pick which e-mails would be archived as part of the official record of her term. The original FBI finding was that her actions were illegal.

 

It would have worked well if she and her staff were not incompetent buffoons incapable of understanding basic security precautions.

 

The foreign hacking may have been immoral and/or unethical and/or many other things but I doubt that it was technically illegal. There is no proof that the hacking was performed from within the United States of America. Many countries have no laws against the hacking of foreign websites or computers. International law has been purposely crafted to be quite fuzzy on the issue because no country wishes to have impediments to their hacking of their enemy's computers. FSB's hackers working from offices in Moscow and IRA Ltd's hackers working from offices on Savushkina Street are as immune from America's cyber-laws as Americans are immune from Tehran's law that all adulteresses be stoned to death.

 

I find it perversely amusing that many think that the hacking demonstrates that Russia wished Trump to win. This false belief plays directly into Putin's scheme. The intent was to sow discord and suspicion. It accomplished this goal perfectly. I feel that this should come as no surprise because it follows the teachings of Sun Tzu. The decision to not widely publicize e-mails hacked from RNC computers was obviously based on the fact that those e-mails would not have been as divisive and would attract far fewer raving maniacs who would further distort the basic facts of the incident and would demonize any who they thought profited from it.

 

Sans--

 

You probably know more about Putin than any of us.

 

Can you tell us some strategies that he has used in dealing with Ukraine that may be similar to what he's doing with the United States?

 

Or can you just give us some idea of the kind of strategies that he uses in domestic politics in Russia?

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You seem to be combining two separate scandals. AFAIK, Hillary's private server that was the subject of the DOJ and FBI investigation was not hacked by the Russians. The computers hacked by the Russians were John Podesta's computer at the Clinton campaign, and the DNC (Democratic National Comittee) computers. 

 

As far as Russia/Putin wanting Trump to win over Clinton, I (and many others elsewhere) have posted many times that Trump will lift the sanctions against Russia quickly, whereas Hillary most likely would not have. The Exxon deal alone was worth $500 billion.

 

 

The private server which she maintained was definitely hacked. Information gathered from it eased the hacking of DNC servers because certain people used the same password for their accounts. Part of the information released to and via WikiLeaks came from her private server.

 

She allowed Russia to gain strategic American uranium in exchange for speaking fees for her husband. I doubt her ethical standards would have risen as much as her price would have.

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The private server which she maintained was definitely hacked. Information gathered from it eased the hacking of DNC servers because certain people used the same password for their accounts. Part of the information released to and via WikiLeaks came from her private server.

 

 

Do you have some sources for this? All I can find is that all of the 20.000+ documents leaked via WikiLeaks were acquired from the DNC computers and John Podesta's computer, from hacking, phishing, and maybe even some direct leaks from unnamed DNC whistleblowers. 

 

Edit: Researching for myself, I found a NYT article dated from July last year that says FBI director Comey said that they had no evidence of a hack on the private server, but the implication was that it could have happened and the hackers left no traces.

 

I also saw a lot of other articles stating definitively that the private server was hacked, but they were all stories from FOX, Breitbart, etc, released the last few days before the election, so those hold about as much water as a fishnet. 

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