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Yeah, or when even before that, Cuddles Sakall becomes so overcome by Bogart's generosity at allowing the broke young husband to win at the roulette table, he walks up and kisses Bogart on both cheeks.

 

And thus in this case, the first glimpse at seeing that Rick is actually, and as Renault later calls him, "a sentimentalist".

 

 

Jeez, and all these years I thought that was gay subtext.

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Dargo, not to nitpick, but it's actually the Russian bartender who kisses Rick on both cheeks. "Cuddles" is looking on approvingly, but Rick glowers at him, and his smile immediately disappears.

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Dargo, not to nitpick, but it's actually the Russian bartender who kisses Rick on both cheeks. "Cuddles" is looking on approvingly, but Rick glowers at him, and his smile immediately disappears.

 

Ya know sewhite, you're right. It was the bartender. Bogart then says something like, "Why you crazy Russian."

 

(...thanks for the correction)

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Vautrin--

Historical perspective on Mae West--

 

She may seem like a broad caricature today, but in her day she was a symbol of blatant sexuality and female sexual assertion. Not just on screen but off screen, as she had control over her business contracts and screenplays.

 

She, more than any other artist in Hollywood, was responsible for the implementation of the Production Code.

 

Today she may seem like a joke to you-- but in her day she was the feminist pioneer for female professional equality and female sexual equality in Hollywood movies in front and behind the camera.

I agree with all that, but for me Mae West is still underwhelming, except

for her figure. Whether I would have felt differently if I was around in

the 1930s who knows.

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That's been done a few time in recent years, although it didn't catch on much. They released B&W versions of The Mist and Mad Max: Fury Road on disc.

Didn't realize that. I have no problem with colorization if it's of

some classic warhorse that I've seen many times before. Then

it's just a matter of curiosity to see how it looks colorized.

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I love love love "People Will Talk" (1951) starring Cary Grant. I remember several pages of people on these boards scratching their heads in wonderment as to how such a film didn't ruin Cary Grant's career, but I see it differently and have loved it since I was a 13 year old back in 1971 when I saw it the first time.

 

I see it as an uplifting movie about the triumph of the better side of human nature made at the height of McCarthyism. You might even call it a kind of romantic comedy. I hadn't seen this film in years, and when it showed up on the Fox Movie Channel several years ago I, for some reason, wrongly remembered it as having taken place at Christmas. In fact it takes place in the spring. I guess my memory had more to do with the fact that it has a kind of "spirit of Christmas" feeling in it the same way that "Boys' Town" does.

 

Are we allowed to talk about TV here too? Because if we are, I have a few choice words about Friends and the relationship between Chandler and Monica.

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Are we allowed to talk about TV here too? Because if we are, I have a few choice words about Friends and the relationship between Chandler and Monica.

Yes, let's talk about TV! I have expanded basic cable which I pay $125/month for. This consists of about 85 channels and 15 music channels. So why is it that I need about 8 channels of infomercials and 4 channels that seem to show blocks of either How I Met Your Mother or Big Bang Theory at the same time?

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Yes, let's talk about TV! I have expanded basic cable which I pay $125/month for. This consists of about 85 channels and 15 music channels. So why is it that I need about 8 channels of infomercials and 4 channels that seem to show blocks of either How I Met Your Mother or Big Bang Theory at the same time?

You mean like FREEFORM and TVLAND running nearly all morning marathons of THE GOLDEN GIRLS at the same time?  Well, if you LIKE that show, and I'm complaining about it, I suppose it WOULD be an "unpopular opinion"   ;)

 

 

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Dargo, not to nitpick, but it's actually the Russian bartender who kisses Rick on both cheeks. "Cuddles" is looking on approvingly, but Rick glowers at him, and his smile immediately disappears.

 

 

Ya know sewhite, you're right. It was the bartender. Bogart then says something like, "Why you crazy Russian."

 

(...thanks for the correction)

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"Finally alone, eh, Carl? What a day! Did you see that crazy Russian kiss me?"

 

"Sheeesh! Next time - nat! nat! - he does that I scratch his eyes out! You want for to come here now and play with my cheeks?"

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I never considered Taylor a terrific actress. I usually don't see her called one in the movie books I've read, either. She was a big movie star, but as an actress she was limited. The only time I thought she was outstanding was in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, and even then she was said to be channeling her own worst impulses as opposed to inhabiting another character. As an actress she was never considered in the league of Katharine Hepburn or Bette Davis or Barbara Stanwyck or Olivia de Havilland, to name a few.

 

About 97% of Elizabeth Taylor's movies didn't give her the proper showcase, but honestly I really enjoy her as an actress. She's very good at contouring her style to match the outrageousness of some of the stuff she was put in and she definitely elevates some subpar material by being way better than it deserves her to be (BOOM!, A PLACE IN THE SUN, SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER.)

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OOOOOOOH!!!!! GLENN Ford.
i'm sorry I got confused. I thought you meant JOHN Ford.

 You want a REALLY unpopular opinion. I can take or leave CASABLANCA, mostly leave.

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 You want a REALLY unpopular opinion. I can take or leave CASABLANCA, mostly leave.

 

Strange how you would quote a non-Casablanca statement in order to make that statement, DGF, when there are so many Casablanca references to quote instead.

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Strange how you would quote a non-Casablanca statement in order to make that statement, DGF, when there are so many Casablanca references to quote instead.

I quoted where I did, because I had been involved at that point, and, given the choice between me or the movie, I'll choose me every time.

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I quoted where I did, because I had been involved at that point, and, given the choice between me or the movie, I'll choose me every time.

 

It's a very trivial matter, I know, but I often notice that you do this, DGF, using a quote to make a statement that has absolutely  NOTHING to do with the quote involved.

 

You know, instead of clicking on the quote of someone (having nothing to do with your subject matter), you could just make a new reply to the thread.

 

I guess I first noticed this peculiarity of yours when you used quotes of statements I've made in order to discuss something having nothing to do with my quote.

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 You want a REALLY unpopular opinion. I can take or leave CASABLANCA, mostly leave.

casablanca is only good until ugarte gets nabbed by the police...after that I switch.

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casablanca is only good until ugarte gets nabbed by the police...after that I switch.

 

 "You despise Casablanca without Peter Lorre, don't you, Nip?"

 

"If I gave it any thought, I probably would."

 

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 "You despise Casablanca, don't you, Nip?"

 

"If I gave it any thought, I probably would."

 

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lorre's ugarte is so cute and adorable.

 

ilsa would probably have liked to have babysat with him.

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Oh good! From the responses below it appears I CAN talk about TV.

 

I said I wanted to talk about Chandler and Monica in Friends and that is my topic. So Monica and Chandler in 1998, at the time they first slept together, had known each other since they were kids.

 

Chandler saw Monica go through puberty, lose massive amounts of weight, and mature into a young woman and yet there was nothing between them.  No perceivable attraction. Then suddenly because Monica is feeling low about herself she and Chandler have what is basically "science experiment" sex in London.  She was, to him, barely one step above his left hand and a porn movie, trying to be as delicate as I can.

 

Such experiences seldom go "backwards" - from mechanical one night stand sex to more sex to attraction to relationship to  love to marriage, yet that is what happened here. So not only was it unrealistic - which I could have taken - I felt that it might mislead some young inexperienced impressionable girls to think if they sleep with a guy that they want but who isn't pursuing them that this could someday turn into the house with  the two car garage, white picket fence, and 1.8 children. It won't.

 

Just my two cents.

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"You despise Casablanca without Peter Lorre, don't you, Nip?"

 

"If I gave it any thought, I probably would."

 

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For my money, Peter Lorre's Ugarte is the best thing in Casablanca!!!!

 

I love the sleazy way he says "Rick".

 

Peter Lorre gets the movie off to the right mood and tempo. It's truly a shame that they have to get rid of him so early.

 

Humphrey Bogart and Peter Lorre worked so well together in their scenes in Casablanca and The Maltese Falcon. If you think about the two of them on screen, it's one of the few times when you're watching the other actor in a Humphrey Bogart scene.

 

And they were good friends in real life.

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Well, we agree, at least, that the dialogue of Casablanca is memorable, but I would argue that, upon repeat viewings, it remains one of the treasures of the film.

 

That gambling going on dialogue scene, for example, which you call "corny or silly," James, I think is not only funny (I bet that many of the biggest laughs the film ever received from an audience is when Claude Rains accepts his winnings after stating he was shocked there was gambling in the premises) but a very clever device by which to expose the hypocrisy of Rains's character at that moment.

 

Yes,  the dialogue is one of the treasures of the film and that gambling scene is very funny.   Never implied that they weren't.  But we have had this same discussion too many times;  that corny or silly can be funny and when I use those terms they are not criticisms.   

 

As it relates to Casablanca the film has Nazis "bad guys", talk about concentration camps,  is set in the middle of a war, desperate refuges seeking refuge etc..  as well as Rain's character, who tortures and kills suspects and extorts refuge women sexually and at the same time those very funny scenes and dialogue.

 

 Casablanca is one of my favorite films because the entire production team (director, actors,  set designer etc...) created a film that has drama, romance,  suspense, humor and whit all rolled into one.    Few other films combine all of these and 'work' as well as Casablanca.

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 You want a REALLY unpopular opinion. I can take or leave CASABLANCA, mostly leave.

 

at this point it's slightly done-to-death.

(it's on at 8:00 pm tomorrow.)

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at this point it's slightly done-to-death.

(it's on at 8:00 pm tomorrow.)

Lorna,

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Sometimes I get busy and just forget to check the schedule.

 

I haven't seen Casablanca all the way through in a couple of years. I had it on VHS which I inadvertently threw away in a recent move. I'm overdue for buying a DVD.

 

Fortunately the first time I ever saw Casablanca was in the 1970s in a revival theater.

 

I wish everyone would get a chance to see it in a real movie theater with an audience.

 

When the actress started singing La Marseillaise, how the audience applauded!

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at this point it's slightly done-to-death.

(it's on at 8:00 pm tomorrow.)

 

Yeah, maybe Lorna, but look at it this way. If you DO watch it tonight, you can NOW almost think of its plot as current and topical as that tagline they use on TV's Law & Order..."Cut from today's headlines!"

 

(...uh-huh, think about it...war refugees finding it extremely difficult to get the proper paperwork in order to immigrate to the United States!) ;)

 

LOL

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Kindly please take the snide, snarky innuendo to the proper forum which has been provided for your convenience. I say this primarily because my usual weekend routine has been disrupted by a temper tantrum display outside my front door. ATTENTION! ATTENTION MUST BE PAID!

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Yeah, maybe Lorna, but look at it this way. If you DO watch it tonight, you can NOW almost think of its plot as current and topical as that tagline they use on TV's Law & Order..."Cut from today's headlines!"

 

(...uh-huh, think about it...war refugees finding it extremely difficult to get the proper paperwork in order to immigrate to the United States!) ;)

 

LOL

 

i've already binge-watched all of SNAKE CITY on NATGEO which I like an awful lot, although i wonder how "for real" it is. currently making my way through the good years of THE SIMPSONS on demand.

 

i'm sorry, i just can't with Oscar month.

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