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2 minutes ago, Hibi said:

Slogged through His Kind of Woman. I hadnt watched it in probably decades. One LONG movie. I was ready to bail BEFORE the interminable ending. Talk, talk, talk and nothing happens! (Granted, some of it was funny/witty) Would've been an ok film at 90 mins. Unendurable at 2 hours. NEVER AGAIN!!! I appreciated Eddie's behind the scenes info. Another RKO movie ruined by Howie.

maybe it was the fact that this was one of the very first movies i watched when i first got HULU a month ago, but I liked it a lot and really watched it (which i don't always so, i sometimes peek at phone or do crossword)

the picture was remarkably clear and it's such a good looking movie. i especially enjoy the art deco lobby with the monstera plants everywhere.

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2 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

maybe it was the fact that this was one of the very first movies i watched when i first got HULU a month ago, but I liked it a lot and really watched it (which i don't always so, i sometimes peek at phone or do crossword)

the picture was remarkably clear and it's such a good looking movie. i especially enjoy the art deco lobby with the monstera plants everywhere.

Yeah, the sets/photography/dialog helped. But it only gets you so far. About an hour in my attention started to wander. I really missed Jane being locked in the closet for the last half hour..........

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39 minutes ago, Hibi said:

Yeah, the sets/photography/dialog helped. But it only gets you so far. About an hour in my attention started to wander. I really missed Jane being locked in the closet for the last half hour..........

that is awfully hard to get past, I know.

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1 hour ago, Hibi said:

Slogged through His Kind of Woman. I hadnt watched it in probably decades. One LONG movie. I was ready to bail BEFORE the interminable ending. Talk, talk, talk and nothing happens! (Granted, some of it was funny/witty) Would've been an ok film at 90 mins. Unendurable at 2 hours. NEVER AGAIN!!! I appreciated Eddie's behind the scenes info. Another RKO movie ruined by Howie.

Cant blame Mitchum for going ballistic. Must've been agony to film and refilm those reshoots.

Ya got that straight, Hibi baby ! I really did feel that the final 45 minutes or so was a "slog". My husband missed it, and said something about wanting to watch it (although he, too, has seen it before.) I told him he'd have to watch it by himself, because I did not want to slog through it again, at least not for a long time. So he bailed out; said he didn't want to watch it that much.

ps: I still like certain aspects of the film, such as Mitchum and Russell, and Vincent Price's silliness. But someone should have had a serious chat with Howard Hughes about his poor judgement in filmmaking.

ps2: And I actually kind of like "5 Little Miles to San Berdoo".

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14 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:

Ya got that straight, Hibi baby ! I really did feel that the final 45 minutes or so was a "slog". My husband missed it, and said something about wanting to watch it (although he, too, has seen it before.) I told him he'd have to watch it by himself, because I did not want to slog through it again, at least not for a long time. So he bailed out; said he didn't want to watch it that much.

ps: I still like certain aspects of the film, such as Mitchum and Russell, and Vincent Price's silliness. But someone should have had a serious chat with Howard Hughes about his poor judgement in filmmaking.

ps2: And I actually kind of like "5 Little Miles to San Berdoo".

Yeah, the Mitchum/Russell scenes were good, but once she got locked in the closet..........

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23 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:

Impressions of His Kind of Woman:

I think this was my third viewing of this film. I remembered it pretty well from the previous times I'd seen it. I remembered that I thought Vincent Price was hilarious - still do. I remembered that it was too long   -check.  And I remembered that it seemed kind of like three different movies.

There's the first hour or so, which seems to be yeah, kind of noirish, with a combination of thugs and repartee with an attractive mysterious woman. But this first hour gets to be a bit draggy; there's a lot of hanging around in that ritzy resort: gambling, drinking, swimming, having sun tan oil applied, dancing, hunting, yakking, etc. etc. This is all right for a while, but they take a bit too long to get to the main plot, the bad guy stuff.

The second movie is a comedy featuring Vincent Price, who seems at times to be in a different film altogether from the rest of them. But that's ok, I love Vincent, and he gamely (no pun intended) comes through with  his hammy quoting of Shakespeare and fake nobility. I love that scene where he's waving a dead duck around. 

But then, as someone here observed, there's a weird juxtaposition of these comedic bits with the third movie, which is a way-too-long series of scenes with Mitch (Dan Milner) running around on the yacht, being brutalized in various ways, culminating in the threat of the annihilating terrifying needle. Who wouldn't rather be shot dead on the spot than shot with that thing? This scene, with the evil ex-Nazi "doctor" slowly bringing that needle right up against Mitch's arm, is really stretched out. I imagine Hughes wanted it that way, but it's a bad idea. 

There's something almost pornographic about these scenes, what with Mitchum having his shirt stripped off, and the look on the face of the guy who first beats him, then ties him to a pole and whips his back. The thug has a creepy sadistic smile on his face. We've seen this kind of thing before, of course,  many times in some of the darker noirs. But it's all really drawn out in this film. Yes, I'd say it was vaguely pornographic and h0m0-erotic. *  Also, too long. 

In fact, this whole third act is way too long. Eddie Muller explained why, and that helps a bit, understanding what was going on, with Howard Hughes' crazy ideas being put into play. After all, I guess Hughes was the guy who paid for the production, right? Too bad he didn't really seem to know much about what makes a good movie, and clearly wasn't familiar with the phrase "less is more". He seemed to think that more was more.

Anyway, despite its flaws, I like His Kind of Woman well enough, although it's certainly not one of my favourites. Mitchum and Jane Russell are both quite likable, and that helps. I've always thought that Russell had a nice face; that is, yes, of course she's good-looking. But she also looks -well, for lack of a better word, nice. Pleasant, approachable. And she had a pretty good sense of humour about her own sexiness. (She parodies it quite well in, for instance, "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes".) So she's kind of fun, and, in all their scenes together, so is Mitchum.

Hope, after they get together, they send their laundry out to the dry cleaners to be ironed.

*edit: I see Otto Censor did not like my use of the term "h o m o", although it was ok with "erotic". Who designs these things?

Excellent review. I know it's Bob & Jane's flick, but Vincent Price is the draw for me to watch. I love him in comedic roles. 

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2 hours ago, Hibi said:

Slogged through His Kind of Woman. I hadnt watched it in probably decades. One LONG movie. I was ready to bail BEFORE the interminable ending. Talk, talk, talk and nothing happens! (Granted, some of it was funny/witty) Would've been an ok film at 90 mins. Unendurable at 2 hours. NEVER AGAIN!!! I appreciated Eddie's behind the scenes info. Another RKO movie ruined by Howie.

Cant blame Mitchum for going ballistic. Must've been agony to film and refilm those reshoots.

I laughed when Muller said that Vincent Price threw a party on-set to celebrate his one-year anniversary of when he started making the film.  I can completely picture him doing this. 

As an aside, I loved Vincent Price's cape and how he stood at the end of the boat as if he were George Washington crossing the Delaware. 

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(spoilers kinda, but it's not a major point)

I also wonder why TIM HOLT, although fourth-billed, is relegated to such a small and useless part  in HIS KIND OF WOMAN, showing up for maybe 7 or 8 minutes in the third quarter before being summarily dispatched- almost like a stunt cameo placed as a red herring- but it doesn't do much to effect the plot one way or another.

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I noticed he was starting to look less boyish and more paunchy and haggard, he did another fistful of westerns (all in 51 and 52) and then pretty much rode off into the sunset career-wise, in spite of bhaving been quite good in THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS.

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11 minutes ago, speedracer5 said:

I laughed when Muller said that Vincent Price threw a party on-set to celebrate his one-year anniversary of when he started making the film.  I can completely picture him doing this. 

As an aside, I loved Vincent Price's cape and how he stood at the end of the boat as if he were George Washington crossing the Delaware. 

Yes, that was absolutely hilarious. Probably the funniest scene in the movie.

Speedy, have you seen Laura ? Vincent Price has a featured role in it, and although his comedy isn't as obvious in Laura as in His Kind of Woman, I think he's pretty funny in that one, too.

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12 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

(spoilers kinda, but it's not a major point)

I also wonder why TIM HOLT, although fourth-billed, is relegated to such a small and useless part  in HIS KIND OF WOMAN, showing up for maybe 7 or 8 minutes in the third quarter before being summarily dispatched- almost like a stunt cameo placed as a red herring- but it doesn't do much to effect the plot one way or another.

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I noticed he was starting to look less boyish and more paunchy and haggard, he did another fistful of westerns (all in 51 and 52) and then pretty much rode off into the sunset career-wise, in spite of bhaving been quite good in THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS.

I know. I like Tim Holt, and was disappointed that he wasn't given more time in His Kind of Woman. His character did fulfill one purpose, though: it was Holt (as Bill Lusk,the federal agent) who told Mitchum what was going on, and what the mysterious person who'd paid him $50,000 really wanted with him. Before that, Mitch hadn't a clue, even though he'd been trying to find out throughout the entire movie up to that point. But I wish they could have given Holt a few more scenes, I like him and I liked his character.

And yeah...I too always thought Tim Holt had a very "boysih" look to him. Which I like. Unfortunately, that kind of "boyish" appearance seems to somehow make an actor look even older than men who don't have that look. It's like they look boyish, younger than they are, until they start to get older (maybe, I dunno, age 35 or 40 or so?) and then suddenly they look worse than other men of their age. William Holden, same thing. (Although of course with Holden, the booze didn't help either.)

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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

(spoilers kinda, but it's not a major point)

I also wonder why TIM HOLT, although fourth-billed, is relegated to such a small and useless part  in HIS KIND OF WOMAN, showing up for maybe 7 or 8 minutes in the third quarter before being summarily dispatched- almost like a stunt cameo placed as a red herring- but it doesn't do much to effect the plot one way or another.

His+Kind+of+Woman%252C+Tim+Holt%252C+Rob

I noticed he was starting to look less boyish and more paunchy and haggard, he did another fistful of westerns (all in 51 and 52) and then pretty much rode off into the sunset career-wise, in spite of bhaving been quite good in THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS.

As already noted,  Holt was under contract with RKO, making 'B' westerns for them.   Hughes had already spent way too much money on this project.    I assume Holt was assigned the role because RKO was already paying him under a fixed term contract.

As for why Holt didn't have much of a career after RKO ended his 'B' western run:  This from Wiki:  When his movie series ended he decided to move to Oklahoma for good. "I never did like Hollywood that much… there was nothing magical about it for me", he said.

So it looks like Holt really wanted more of the cowboy life than that of the Hollywood playboy.

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I'll be watching HIS KIND OF WOMAN sometime this week with the wife.   She's 33 and we just really started watching TCM together for some cheap date nights with food and wine.   She completely adores Mitchum right now so she's looking forward to this one.  

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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

(spoilers kinda, but it's not a major point)

I also wonder why TIM HOLT, although fourth-billed, is relegated to such a small and useless part  in HIS KIND OF WOMAN, showing up for maybe 7 or 8 minutes in the third quarter before being summarily dispatched- almost like a stunt cameo placed as a red herring- but it doesn't do much to effect the plot one way or another.

His+Kind+of+Woman%252C+Tim+Holt%252C+Rob

I noticed he was starting to look less boyish and more paunchy and haggard, he did another fistful of westerns (all in 51 and 52) and then pretty much rode off into the sunset career-wise, in spite of bhaving been quite good in THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS.

There were other red herrings in the story too. It seemed like Jim Backus was involved somehow in the dark doings, but the movie forgot about him midway through..........I guess he was there for (boring) comic relief.......

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1 minute ago, Solafide said:

I'll be watching HIS KIND OF WOMAN sometime this week with the wife.   She's 33 and we just really started watching TCM together for some cheap date nights with food and wine.   She completely adores Mitchum right now so she's looking forward to this one.  

Take a break about midway through.

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On 1/4/2019 at 6:40 PM, misswonderly3 said:

This is hilarious. And actually, kind of flattering. Flattering because you seem to be attributing all kinds of motives and ulterior schemes to me that simply don't exist. It's just not that complicated. So I repeat, what the frig are you talking about? ("Frig": so glad Otto Censor doesn't seem to recognize this word. It's a fun word, don't you think?) I suspect you're simply a bit bored this evening and are trying, in your unique and somewhat bizarre Gordon Cole way, to have a bit of fun.

Of course you should be complimented, Miss Wonderly, as you are the most inherently noir woman here, and so deserving of the title. Mary Astor herself could not be so appealing. Can you not see that I am your biggest fan and I will never turn you in like Sam did, and not appreciate your unique qualities of dissembling intelligence and circuitous routes of endeavor, and I mean that in the nicest way. I would never send you up to the Big House since I would miss your posts too much. Now get out there and carry on posting, and put more of these male suckers under your thumb, and don't hate me for loving your evil ways. The Black Bird is just beyond your reach this time for sure.

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On 1/6/2019 at 11:56 AM, Lost In Space said:

The Magic Eraser continues. By now, I am due an explanation from a TCM moderator. Where are my rights as a member of this forum? I am getting angry. I am doing nothing wrong, but get constantly deleted.

Let's just say, that you could get reported here for having a sense of humor undetectable to some of the vox populi, but if you were acting like Harvey Weinstein, you would probably get on just fine. Don't let it get you down.

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6 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

I need to button-my-lip-more and not carelessly tread so much on people's corns. <_<

Why?

You are writing about your opinions on the movies that you critique.

We should all remember:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"*

*Voltaire

* or possibly Evelyn Beatrice Hall

 

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1 hour ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Like Martin Milner for example? Mickey Rooney?

Or for that matter, Glenn Milstead?

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27 minutes ago, Arteesto said:

Why?

You are writing about your opinions on the movies that you critique.

We should all remember:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"*

*Voltaire

* or possibly Evelyn Beatrice Hall

 

I wouldnt. (at least with this poster/posters)...

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4 minutes ago, Lost In Space said:

Update: I do know Bad Day At Black Rock. So why wouldn't Casablanca be Noir? In doing a search, some say yes, some say almost, but no.

Do like Eddie Muller and just say it is noir with conviction, and the masses will follow.

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6 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Ha. Too true! :)

I don't want to keep dwelling on the philosophical disjunct, except briefly and 'in passing' (I promised the Cid Man I'd keep 'theory' out of this sanctum, as much as possible). But yeah now that I find myself back on a film forum I have to watch it. Watch my step I mean. I've been on film sites where uproar broke out. Many movie-buffs hate to have their favorite movies evaluated, debated, or questioned...or even hear the way they think about their favorite movies criticized, or deconstructed. And naturally so. Its a normal human reaction. Who wouldn't feel that way? Movies are as personal as the music one grows up with. I need to button-my-lip-more and not carelessly tread so much on people's corns. <_<

There's also that tendency for the anti-intellectualism pundits to rear their heads in decrying unison, when one goes beyond the fray in their posts with abstruse facts and deep issues galvanized by reading Frazer's The Golden Bough, that your detractors may only find soporific, so try to keep your elite opinions to a few per hour, Sarge or the ghost of Clifton Webb might start to haunt you in your sleep. A word to the wise...

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2 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Like Martin Milner for example? Mickey Rooney?

Mickey Rooney looked older when he was young, and younger when he was old. 

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42 minutes ago, Lost In Space said:

Update: I do know Bad Day At Black Rock. So why wouldn't Casablanca be Noir? In doing a search, some say yes, some say almost, but no.

Bad Day at Black Rock, while I personally don't like this film very much, is generally regarded as a noir. Maybe one of the sunlit type of noir.(So, a film soleil perhaps.)  

Casablanca is not a noir. 

But I'm not sure why you're concerned about all this stuff in the first place. You've declared you don't really know what noir is, but also that as far as you can tell, you usually don't like it anyway. I'm not saying this to be difficult or anything, but it's not clear to me why you seem to be interested in discussing a type of film you've said you don't much like. Or maybe you want to learn? I don't know, I don't get it.

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