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I would like to hear Tommy Kirk discuss with Ben how Uncle Walt canned him after coming out. Who's the Monkey's Uncle now?

It's exactly the kind of discussion the classic movie network of record (TCM) should sponsor. Fingers crossed.

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It's exactly the kind of discussion the classic movie network of record (TCM) should sponsor. Fingers crossed.

Tommy Kirk tends to blame himself - he was on drugs - and had little or no control.

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Tommy Kirk tends to blame himself - he was on drugs - and had little or no control.

 

Before or after he made Mars Needs Women in late 1966? I think he was busy on that film the week "Uncle Walt" Disney died.

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There's one other film that's scheduled on June 12th, one of the SOTM's nights; "The Children's Hour" (1961)--A brat accuses two of her teachers of being lesbians--and she's right.  Starring Audrey Hepburn, Shirley MacLaine, and James Garner.  With Miriam Hopkins.

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There's one other film that's scheduled on June 12th, one of the SOTM's nights; "The Children's Hour" (1961)--A brat accuses two of her teachers of being lesbians--and she's right.  Starring Audrey Hepburn, Shirley MacLaine, and James Garner.  With Miriam Hopkins.

She is not right - they are NOT lesbians.

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There's one other film that's scheduled on June 12th, one of the SOTM's nights; "The Children's Hour" (1961)--A brat accuses two of her teachers of being lesbians--and she's right.  Starring Audrey Hepburn, Shirley MacLaine, and James Garner.  With Miriam Hopkins.

That one at least deals somewhat directly with homosexuality, moreso than most of the official choices. They've sort of tipped their hand with how they intend to go at this by the way they've listed credits for the chosen films. Marjorie Main is the only cast member mentioned for both The Women and Summer Stock, Judith Anderson the only one for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, etc. I wonder if the fact that Katharine Hepburn is listed for Christopher Strong means that they intend to "go there" with Katharine in the same way they're obviously going there with Marjorie Main, or will the big names escape being "tarnished"? I bet Dorothy Arzner takes the heat on that one. Or maybe they'll hang a retroactive "transgender" handle on it.

 

I'm assuming that the intros and outros have already been, or are about to be, recorded. I really hope this is more than an in-house project, that somebody with real world credibility has been tapped to either helm it or at least co-host. Dave Karger would be a great choice, since he already has a relationship with TCM, having hosted several evenings last month. He's a go-to guy for the network morning shows and E! Network always brings him in, with his extensive knowledge of film, to prop up their red carpet people, who can barely manage the dresses, the jewels and the after parties. He has industry cred, a love of classic film and he's gay. A no-brainer.

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OK... here are my replacements if I were in charge of programming and could get the license rights for all of these. I like a lot of the movies being shown, but they can be shown at other times of the day or other days and do not need included in this retrospective based on minor "stuff".

 

First of all, do NOT show Psycho as part of THIS retrospective. Rebecca is a lesser evil if you must go the Hitchcock route. It is bad enough that the entire Republican Party seems to think every transgender wanting to use a public restroom is Norman Bates.

 

thursday june 1, 2017

 

just a gigolo (1931) with william haines - replace with Way Out West (1930). C'mon! If you are showing Billy at his gayest, you might as well do it with gusto!

 

Move the following to another day, because all are great films worth seeing...

*waterloo bridge (1931) with douglass montgomery, directed by james whale

*the women (1939) with marjorie main, directed by george cukor

*no time for love (1943) with claudette colbert, directed by mitchell leisen

*christopher strong (1933) with katharine hepburn, directed by dorothy arzner

*there goes my heart (1938) with patsy kelly

 

... and replace with some silent films that fit the program better:

*Anders als die Andern (Different than the Others, 1919)

*Salome (1923)

*Mikael (1924)

*Die Büchse der Pandora (Pandora's Box, 1929)

 

Evening presentation at 8PM: Spotlight on how AIDS was tackled by the cinema

*Longtime Companion (1989) as a nice "intro" feature to air at 8PM since it is high time little kids who are still watching at this hour learn that you can not discriminate people just because they get sick

*Philadelphia (1993)

 

friday june 2, 2017

 

ben-hur: a tale of the christ (1925) with ramon novarro - replace with two shorter Ramon Novarro flix that aren't any more "gay" but fit better.

*The Pagan (1929)

*Mata Hari (1931)

*Queen Christina (1933), continuing after Mata Hari with Garbo at her most lesbian-ish despite falling for John Gilbert

storm at daybreak (1933) with kay francis - move at another day because I like these pre-code films even if they have little material to chew on

 

8PM prime time: spotlight on John Schlesinger

*Billy Liar (1963) - moved from the other day

After 10 PM (due to Brenda Vacarro's and Glenda Jackson's bare bosoms and Jon Voight's bare bottom, plus everybody smoking weed):

*Midnight Cowboy (1969)

*Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971)

 

thursday june 8, 2017

 

night and day (1946) with monty woolley, based on the life of cole porter - Yes, we know why this and the following were included. "Whitewashed Hollywood".

words and music (1948) with tom drake - ditto. Replace these with:

*Rebecca (1940), first Hitchcock of the day

*Strangers On the Train (1951)

*Rope (1948) with john dall & farley granger, directed by alfred hitchcock

the razor's edge (1946) with clifton webb, based on material by somerset maugham

a place in the sun (1951) with montgomery clift 

*Sitting Pretty (1948) with BOTH Clifton Webb and Richard Haydn. Nothing "gay" but neither characters have girlfriends here either and it amuses me how one takes advantage of the other with his gossipy novel.

*Red River (1948) although Ben Mankiewicz will need to explain the gun symbolism with his usual winking

 

 

friday june 9, 2017

 

summer stock (1950) with marjorie main, directed by charles walters

the enchanted cottage (1945) with mildred natwick

*Calamity Jane (1953)... only because of the song

*Johnny Guitar (1954)... oh boy! Lots to comment here.

 

Primetime assortment after 8PM, starting with the one with the least amount of nudity and same sex kissing to offend the Republican Party:

*My Beautiful Laundrette (1985)

*Faustrecht der Freiheit (Fox and His Friends, 1975)... all nude scenes are pretty tame here, just guys in a bath house. No sex.

*Maurice (1987)

*Brokeback Mountain (2005)

*Weekend (2011)... continuing early in the morning when the Republican Party is fast asleep. Oh those naughty Brits!

 

thursday june 15, 2017

 

Rebel Without a Cause (1955) with james dean & sal mineo, directed by nicholas ray

all that heaven allows (1955) with rock hudson, directed by douglas sirk

Cat On a Hot Tin Roof (1958) with judith anderson

Suddenly, Last Summer (1959) with montgomery clift - moved from next week since it gives us two doses of Liz

nowhere to go (1958) with george nader

the seventh sin (1957) with ellen corby

les girls (1957) directed by george cukor

*Reflections of a Golden Eye (1967) - three doses of Liz. Giddy up!

*Victor/Victoria (1982)

*Seconds (1966)... now here is a Rock Hudson film full of hidden meaning

 

friday june 16, 2017

 

sincerely yours (1955) with liberace

*Deathtrap (1982)

After 10PM:

*Boys in the Band (1970)

*Personal Best (1982)

*Making Love (1982)

 

thursday june 22, 2017

 

gypsy (1962) with lyrics by stephen sondheim

billy liar (1963) directed by john schlesinger - moving this to another day

suddenly, last summer (1959) with montgomery clift - move to another day

psycho (1960) with anthony perkins, directed by alfred hitchcock

west side story (1961) directed by jerome robbins

 

*Le Sang d'un Poète (1932)... let's get artsy here starting with some Jean Cocteau

*Mädchen in Uniform (1931)

*The Maltese Falcon (1941)... you know this is an easy time filler that fits any program... or (if not enough time)... Caged (1950)

*A Taste of Honey (1961)

*Advise and Consent (1962)

*Walk On the Wild Side (1962)

 

friday june 23, 2017

 

i could go on singing (1963) with dirk bogarde

*Victim (1961)

*Ride The Wild Surf (1964) with tab hunter - only if Tab Hunter is interviewed

 

thursday june 29, 2017

 

who's afraid of virginia woolf? (1966) with sandy dennis, based on material by edward albee

*The Fox (1967)

*Torch Song Trilogy (1988) with harvey fierstein, based on his own material

*Arthur (1981) with john gielgud... I give up. I guess there's a reason for this one.

*Valentino (1977) based on the life of rudolph valentino

The year of living dangerously (1982) with linda hunt

*Gallipoli (1981) with hardly gay-friendly Mel Gibson bro-bonding with his fellow soldiers "au naturel" is a funnier choice

*Planet of the Apes (1968) with Charlton Heston doing the same

 

friday june 30, 2017

 

*Cabaret (1972) directed by bob fosse

it's a bikini world (1967) with tommy kirk

*Mars Needs Women (1967) with Tommy Kirk

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Great post, Jlewis. I like the idea of a night focusing on Schlesinger films.

 

I definitely feel GYPSY and WORDS AND MUSIC do not belong in TCM's retrospective-- they're weaker examples of classic 'gay'cinema. 

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OK... here are my replacements if I were in charge of programming and could get the license rights for all of these. I like a lot of the movies being shown, but they can be shown at other times of the day or other days and do not need included in this retrospective based on minor "stuff".

 

First of all, do NOT show Psycho as part of THIS retrospective. Rebecca is a lesser evil if you must go the Hitchcock route. It is bad enough that the entire Republican Party seems to think every transgender wanting to use a public restroom is Norman Bates.

 

thursday june 1, 2017

 

just a gigolo (1931) with william haines - replace with Way Out West (1930). C'mon! If you are showing Billy at his gayest, you might as well do it with gusto!

 

Move the following to another day, because all are great films worth seeing...

*waterloo bridge (1931) with douglass montgomery, directed by james whale

*the women (1939) with marjorie main, directed by george cukor

*no time for love (1943) with claudette colbert, directed by mitchell leisen

*christopher strong (1933) with katharine hepburn, directed by dorothy arzner

*there goes my heart (1938) with patsy kelly

 

... and replace with some silent films that fit the program better:

*Anders als die Andern (Different than the Others, 1919)

*Salome (1923)

*Mikael (1924)

*Die Büchse der Pandora (Pandora's Box, 1929)

 

Evening presentation at 8PM: Spotlight on how AIDS was tackled by the cinema

*Longtime Companion (1989) as a nice "intro" feature to air at 8PM since it is high time little kids who are still watching at this hour learn that you can not discriminate people just because they get sick

*Philadelphia (1993)

 

friday june 2, 2017

 

ben-hur: a tale of the christ (1925) with ramon novarro - replace with two shorter Ramon Novarro flix that aren't any more "gay" but fit better.

*The Pagan (1929)

*Mata Hari (1931)

*Queen Christina (1933), continuing after Mata Hari with Garbo at her most lesbian-ish despite falling for John Gilbert

storm at daybreak (1933) with kay francis - move at another day because I like these pre-code films even if they have little material to chew on

 

8PM prime time: spotlight on John Schlesinger

*Billy Liar (1963) - moved from the other day

After 10 PM (due to Brenda Vacarro's and Glenda Jackson's bare bosoms and Jon Voight's bare bottom, plus everybody smoking weed):

*Midnight Cowboy (1969)

*Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971)

 

thursday june 8, 2017

 

night and day (1946) with monty woolley, based on the life of cole porter - Yes, we know why this and the following were included. "Whitewashed Hollywood".

words and music (1948) with tom drake - ditto. Replace these with:

*Rebecca (1940), first Hitchcock of the day

*Strangers On the Train (1951)

*Rope (1948) with john dall & farley granger, directed by alfred hitchcock

the razor's edge (1946) with clifton webb, based on material by somerset maugham

a place in the sun (1951) with montgomery clift 

*Sitting Pretty (1948) with BOTH Clifton Webb and Richard Haydn. Nothing "gay" but neither characters have girlfriends here either and it amuses me how one takes advantage of the other with his gossipy novel.

*Red River (1948) although Ben Mankiewicz will need to explain the gun symbolism with his usual winking

 

 

friday june 9, 2017

 

summer stock (1950) with marjorie main, directed by charles walters

the enchanted cottage (1945) with mildred natwick

*Calamity Jane (1953)... only because of the song

*Johnny Guitar (1954)... oh boy! Lots to comment here.

 

Primetime assortment after 8PM, starting with the one with the least amount of nudity and same sex kissing to offend the Republican Party:

*My Beautiful Laundrette (1985)

*Faustrecht der Freiheit (Fox and His Friends, 1975)... all nude scenes are pretty tame here, just guys in a bath house. No sex.

*Maurice (1987)

*Brokeback Mountain (2005)

*Weekend (2011)... continuing early in the morning when the Republican Party is fast asleep. Oh those naughty Brits!

 

thursday june 15, 2017

 

Rebel Without a Cause (1955) with james dean & sal mineo, directed by nicholas ray

all that heaven allows (1955) with rock hudson, directed by douglas sirk

Cat On a Hot Tin Roof (1958) with judith anderson

Suddenly, Last Summer (1959) with montgomery clift - moved from next week since it gives us two doses of Liz

nowhere to go (1958) with george nader

the seventh sin (1957) with ellen corby

les girls (1957) directed by george cukor

*Reflections of a Golden Eye (1967) - three doses of Liz. Giddy up!

*Victor/Victoria (1982)

*Seconds (1966)... now here is a Rock Hudson film full of hidden meaning

 

friday june 16, 2017

 

sincerely yours (1955) with liberace

*Deathtrap (1982)

After 10PM:

*Boys in the Band (1970)

*Personal Best (1982)

*Making Love (1982)

 

thursday june 22, 2017

 

gypsy (1962) with lyrics by stephen sondheim

billy liar (1963) directed by john schlesinger - moving this to another day

suddenly, last summer (1959) with montgomery clift - move to another day

psycho (1960) with anthony perkins, directed by alfred hitchcock

west side story (1961) directed by jerome robbins

 

*Le Sang d'un Poète (1932)... let's get artsy here starting with some Jean Cocteau

*Mädchen in Uniform (1931)

*The Maltese Falcon (1941)... you know this is an easy time filler that fits any program... or (if not enough time)... Caged (1950)

*A Taste of Honey (1961)

*Advise and Consent (1962)

*Walk On the Wild Side (1962)

 

friday june 23, 2017

 

i could go on singing (1963) with dirk bogarde

*Victim (1961)

*Ride The Wild Surf (1964) with tab hunter - only if Tab Hunter is interviewed

 

thursday june 29, 2017

 

who's afraid of virginia woolf? (1966) with sandy dennis, based on material by edward albee

*The Fox (1967)

*Torch Song Trilogy (1988) with harvey fierstein, based on his own material

*Arthur (1981) with john gielgud... I give up. I guess there's a reason for this one.

*Valentino (1977) based on the life of rudolph valentino

The year of living dangerously (1982) with linda hunt

*Gallipoli (1981) with hardly gay-friendly Mel Gibson bro-bonding with his fellow soldiers "au naturel" is a funnier choice

*Planet of the Apes (1968) with Charlton Heston doing the same

 

friday june 30, 2017

 

*Cabaret (1972) directed by bob fosse

it's a bikini world (1967) with tommy kirk

*Mars Needs Women (1967) with Tommy Kirk

Interesting choices- but apart from the male nudity there is nothing gay about "Planet of the Apes"- Heston of course did play Michaelangelo as sexless gay man in "The Agony and the Ecstasy"

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Great post, Jlewis. I like the idea of a night focusing on Schlesinger films.

 

I definitely feel GYPSY and WORDS AND MUSIC do not belong in TCM's retrospective-- they're weaker examples of classic 'gay'cinema. 

They both have gay composers- a double bill of "Words and Music" and " De Lovely" (2002) might be interesting contrast about how Hollywood deals with gay biography

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How about getting gay porn director Joe Gage as the host or better yet he can get some of his stars to join in ;)

 

The name sounded vaguely familiar but I had to look him up. (See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kincaid ) Oh yeah, have him sit with Ben M. and say "CAGED with Eleanor Parker inspired me to make CELLBLOCK #9 and BAD GIRLS DORMITORY."

 

Although I am sure KANSAS CITY TRUCKING COMPANY is a very influental film in the history of seventies cinema a.k.a. "working men trilogies", I seriously doubt TCM can get away with that even in the wee hours of the night. I think WEEKEND and FOX AND HIS FRIENDS are enough nudity-wise without going the next level.

 

Who would you suggest as a visiting star? Conner Habib?

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The name sounded vaguely familiar but I had to look him up. (See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kincaid ) Oh yeah, have him sit with Ben M. and say "CAGED with Eleanor Parker inspired me to make CELLBLOCK #9 and BAD GIRLS DORMITORY."

 

Although I am sure KANSAS CITY TRUCKING COMPANY is a very influental film in the history of seventies cinema a.k.a. "working men trilogies", I seriously doubt TCM can get away with that even in the wee hours of the night. I think WEEKEND and FOX AND HIS FRIENDS are enough nudity-wise without going the next level.

 

Who would you suggest as a visiting star? Conner Habib?

Gage is better than average porn director specially the film he made for Titan- my choice for special guest programmer would be David Anthony - his best performances are bit too intense for TCM even after midnight ;)

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Gage/Kincaid is a director of mainstream B-movies as well, so he would be an OK film professional to interview. I did enjoy reading the short wikipedia piece on him. (No pictures, folks, so it is safe to check out.)

 

I have to look up all of these other names I have never heard of. Should Dave Anthony be a Star of the Month?

 

Interesting choices- but apart from the male nudity there is nothing gay about "Planet of the Apes"- Heston of course did play Michaelangelo as sexless gay man in "The Agony and the Ecstasy"

 

Yeah, Heston emphasized the agony part but left out much of the ecstasy. Of course, we know nothing of Michelangelo's private life except that Eve and other ladies on the Sistine Chapel don't look terribly feminine and are rather beefy in the shoulders, suggesting he wasn't intimate with all that many ladies. His version of David certainly proved he had plenty of experience studying male anatomy.

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David DeCoteau would be a good choice for special guest programmer. He made one good gay indie film " Leather Jacket Love Story" and is very prolific director of low budget horror and sci fi movies. His signature style is the cute boy in their white briefs cinema. His best movie in this genre is the vampire frat boy thriller " The Brotherhood"

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Gage/Kincaid is a director of mainstream B-movies as well, so he would be an OK film professional to interview. I did enjoy reading the short wikipedia piece on him. (No pictures, folks, so it is safe to check out.)

 

I have to look up all of these other names I have never heard of. Should Dave Anthony be a Star of the Month?

 

 

Yeah, Heston emphasized the agony part but left out much of the ecstasy. Of course, we know nothing of Michelangelo's private life except that Eve and other ladies on the Sistine Chapel don't look terribly feminine and are rather beefy in the shoulders, suggesting he wasn't intimate with all that many ladies. His version of David certainly proved he had plenty of experience studying male anatomy.

I had the chance to study David up close when I visited Florence and yes Michaelangelo had a real eye for masculine beauty- hey he was the Joe Gage of the Renaissance ;)

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Yeah... I visited Florence too, back in 1989 when there was less security surrounding David. You could even take pictures of him then. He wasn't under copyright until more recently.

 

In regards to The Brotherhood, I think there are too many gay vampire movies, many milked before like Dracula's Daughter and The Hunger especially.

 

I could also see a late night airing of Kinsey (2004), but here is a key problem: this retrospective isn't supposed to be about sex. (This is exactly why so many conservative politicians are on the war path against gay rights, because they can't distinguish the sex-part from anything else.) Movies presented should be more about relationships overall and acceptance by others for being different. Negative representations should be shown strictly from a historical perspective, like with Reflections of a Golden Eye representing the era and all of its restrictions.

 

For James Whale, Gods and Monsters (1998) is a natural fit and I should have included it. Nothing that would bother most viewers apart a fleeting peekaboo group nude-by-the-pool shot in a dream/memory sequence. They could follow this with The Bride of Frankenstein (1935). Most of these recent movies would be rated PG or PG-13 instead of R had the censors not been so concerned about non "heteronormal" activity.

 

Fassbinder's Fox and His Friends is a great all-around picture for this kind of thing. Although I do still consider it more R rated material and, thus, a late night show, all of the nudity is confined to a brief bedroom scene and a bathhouse that doesn't show any actual physical contact between patrons. We saw a nude scene from this already on TCM when it aired a documentary series a few years back called The Story of Film: An Odyssey with Robert Osbourne interviewing the compiler/director Mark Cousins beforehand.

 

However this movie is all about the story of one man trying to be accepted by others, but struggling in a German gay culture-within-a-culture that shares the same prejudices and social superiority status mirroring the rest of society. The film did get criticism for being too negative a portrait, especially since the gay rights movement was only getting started in 1974 when it was made and many activists were still pushing for more optimistic portraits of gay life then. I especially like the scene when the two guys can't allow an Arab friend... er, hustler maybe?... into a Holiday Inn in Morocco for racial reasons, despite the head guard being the same race! (That memorable bit part was by Eli Hedi ben Salem of Ali: Fear Eats the Soul.)

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Yeah... I visited Florence too, back in 1989 when there was less security surrounding David. You could even take pictures of him then. He wasn't under copyright until more recently.

 

In regards to The Brotherhood, I think there are too many gay vampire movies, many milked before like Dracula's Daughter and The Hunger especially.

 

I could also see a late night airing of Kinsey (2004), but here is a key problem: this retrospective isn't supposed to be about sex. (This is exactly why so many conservative politicians are on the war path against gay rights, because they can't distinguish the sex-part from anything else.) Movies presented should be more about relationships overall and acceptance by others for being different. Negative representations should be shown strictly from a historical perspective, like with Reflections of a Golden Eye representing the era and all of its restrictions.

 

For James Whale, Gods and Monsters (1998) is a natural fit and I should have included it. Nothing that would bother most viewers apart a fleeting peekaboo group nude-by-the-pool shot in a dream/memory sequence. They could follow this with The Bride of Frankenstein (1935). Most of these recent movies would be rated PG or PG-13 instead of R had the censors not been so concerned about non "heteronormal" activity.

 

Fassbinder's Fox and His Friends is a great all-around picture for this kind of thing. Although I do still consider it more R rated material and, thus, a late night show, all of the nudity is confined to a brief bedroom scene and a bathhouse that doesn't show any actual physical contact between patrons. We saw a nude scene from this already on TCM when it aired a documentary series a few years back called The Story of Film: An Odyssey with Robert Osbourne interviewing the compiler/director Mark Cousins beforehand.

 

However this movie is all about the story of one man trying to be accepted by others, but struggling in a German gay culture-within-a-culture that shares the same prejudices and social superiority status mirroring the rest of society. The film did get criticism for being too negative a portrait, especially since the gay rights movement was only getting started in 1974 when it was made and many activists were still pushing for more optimistic portraits of gay life then. I especially like the scene when the two guys can't allow an Arab friend... er, hustler maybe?... into a Holiday Inn in Morocco for racial reasons, despite the head guard being the same race! (That memorable bit part was by Eli Hedi ben Salem of Ali: Fear Eats the Soul.)

I agree with you than gay cinema should be more than just about sex

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Even the movie Milk had time for protests in the streets and... opera.

 

TCM did show The Life and Times of H.M. already, but they can show the more recent film too. Also The Celluloid Closet

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I've been enjoying the lively conversation that has been occurring in this thread. I hope TCM's programmers are checking it/reading it.

 

Of course, it's great they're doing a month-long spotlight in June. I'm glad. It will be interesting to watch the on-air hosting and presentation of the films, though I think some of the selections could have been "stronger."

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Even the movie Milk had time for protests in the streets and... opera.

 

TCM did show The Life and Times of H.M. already, but they can show the more recent film too. Also The Celluloid Closet

I liked "Milk"- James Franco is specially adorable in it but it did not moved me like the documentary did.  A very powerful film.  I thought they had shown "The Celluloid Closet" which by now needs an update.  A tv theme documentary on the history of gays in television would be interesting- from Uncle Arthur to Kevin on "Riverdale" talk about how things have changed.

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I liked "Milk"- James Franco is specially adorable in it but it did not moved me like the documentary did.  A very powerful film.  I thought they had shown "The Celluloid Closet" which by now needs an update.  A tv theme documentary on the history of gays in television would be interesting- from Uncle Arthur to Kevin on "Riverdale" talk about how things have changed.

 

Although TCM is dedicated to theatrical releases of yesteryear, movies and television are so interconnected with the same production companies involved. For example, Columbia Pictures/Screen Gems was behind Uncle Arthur's show Bewitched in the 1960s and Disney/Touchstone produced Golden Girls in the 1980s, which also had landmark gay episodes. The problem with The Celluloid Closet was that it focused exclusively on mainstream (not X-rated or television produced) theatrical films up to the early nineties. The material made before the 1960s was all relevant, but a lot changed by 1971, the official year Sunday Bloody Sunday was released in this country, Boys In The Sand became ground zero for gay porn and All In The Family's famous episode featured a gay character being Archie Bunker's friend. Suddenly all areas of entertainment were impacted and each market on big and small screens operated at its own speed.

 

I do wish TCM showed more films after the 1970s for this type of retrospective since censorship was so great prior to this time that the material in older films is too subdued. I mean... nobody thinks of Cat On The Hot Tin Roof as much of a "gay" film because everything is so under the radar and nebulous. We just see that Paul Newman's Brick suddenly realizes Maggie the Cat is alive and closes the bedroom door shut so the couple can start pumping out the grandchildren. Also we have that curious transitional period after Hollywood discovered same sex relations were interesting enough to the public, when some films like Victim (1961) and Midnight Cowboy (1969) were progressive while others like The Detective and The Sergeant (1968) were definitely not.

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Although TCM is dedicated to theatrical releases of yesteryear, movies and television are so interconnected with the same production companies involved. For example, Columbia Pictures/Screen Gems was behind Uncle Arthur's show Bewitched in the 1960s and Disney/Touchstone produced Golden Girls in the 1980s, which also had landmark gay episodes. The problem with The Celluloid Closet was that it focused exclusively on mainstream (not X-rated or television produced) theatrical films up to the early nineties. The material made before the 1960s was all relevant, but a lot changed by 1971, the official year Sunday Bloody Sunday was released in this country, Boys In The Sand became ground zero for gay porn and All In The Family's famous episode featured a gay character being Archie Bunker's friend. Suddenly all areas of entertainment were impacted and each market on big and small screens operated at its own speed.

 

I do wish TCM showed more films after the 1970s for this type of retrospective since censorship was so great prior to this time that the material in older films is too subdued. I mean... nobody thinks of Cat On The Hot Tin Roof as much of a "gay" film because everything is so under the radar and nebulous. We just see that Paul Newman's Brick suddenly realizes Maggie the Cat is alive and closes the bedroom door shut so the couple can start pumping out the grandchildren. Also we have that curious transitional period after Hollywood discovered same sex relations were interesting enough to the public, when some films like Victim (1961) and Midnight Cowboy (1969) were progressive while others like The Detective and The Sergeant (1968) were definitely not.

"The Sergeant" is specially problematic- it doesn't even make sense - I mean up to that point Rod Steiger thought he was straight- he should have gotten together with the Brando character from " Reflections of a Golden Eye" but at least that crazy movie does make sense.   I think the makers of "The Celluloid Closet" were aiming for a more mainstream wider audience. A history of gay porn and how it reflected both pre and post Stonewall gay live would be interesting.

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Here you go, jaragon: the history that The Celluloid Closet overlooked.

 

This was THE feature that started the boom back in December 1971 (seven months before Deep Throat). Note we get interviews from the heterosexual couples who flocked to see it here. Plus Joe Cage, mentioned a few posts down.

 

 

 

Here is a lengthier history. Just talk. No pictures. Yet some Victorians reading this thread should watch this video cautiously since it does get rather anatomical in detail. Straight star Jaimie Gillis (famous in The Opening of Misty Beethoven, considered the "Citizen Kane" of seventies heterosexual porn) is also featured. Since he died in 2010, this video must go back a few years.

 

 

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Here you go, jaragon: the history that The Celluloid Closet overlooked.

 

This was THE feature that started the boom back in December 1971 (seven months before Deep Throat). Note we get interviews from the heterosexual couples who flocked to see it here. Plus Joe Cage, mentioned a few posts down.

 

 

Here is a lengthier history. Just talk. No pictures. Yet some Victorians reading this thread should watch this video cautiously since it does get rather anatomical in detail. Straight star Jaimie Gillis (famous in The Opening of Misty Beethoven, considered the "Citizen Kane" of seventies heterosexual porn) is also featured. Since he died in 2010, this video must go back a few years.

 

Thanks for posting this- I can imagine a longer version with clips from the films mentioned.  Jerry Douglas did make some very good movies. This must have been made in late 90's.  They do mention poor Joey Stefano whose tragic story would make an interesting but depressing movie.

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