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Trump promised it would be "Great."  More, better coverage at a lower cost for everybody.

So far, TrumpCare is worse than ObamaCare.  Only those with employer provided health care or billionaires will receive good health care.  And many of those will see increases in their premiums and/or deductibles.

 

The GOPers say everyone has "access."  That is true, just as everyone has access to Trump Tower rooms in NYC or Mar-a-Lago facilities in Palm Beach or Ivanka's fashions - if you are rich.  Everyone also has access to three month round the world cruises.

 

Everyone has "access" to health care now.  In my very small town there are at least five insurance agencies that will sell you a policy covering very little, but costing thousands of dollars.  You can also go online and find thousands of companies doing the same thing.

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Trump promised it would be "Great."  More, better coverage at a lower cost for everybody.

So far, TrumpCare is worse than ObamaCare.  Only those with employer provided health care or billionaires will receive good health care.  And many of those will see increases in their premiums and/or deductibles.

 

The GOPers say everyone has "access."  That is true, just as everyone has access to Trump Tower rooms in NYC or Mar-a-Lago facilities in Palm Beach or Ivanka's fashions - if you are rich.  Everyone also has access to three month round the world cruises.

 

Everyone has "access" to health care now.  In my very small town there are at least five insurance agencies that will sell you a policy covering very little, but costing thousands of dollars.  You can also go online and find thousands of companies doing the same thing.

you doan seem to have a problem with obama's 11-bedroom, 9-bathroom DC mansion with marble countertops. :P

 

 

no, of course not. he earned it by doing nothing more than talking for eight or nine years.

 

if that's not deserving of affluence, what is? :huh:

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you doan seem to have a problem with obama's 11-bedroom, 9-bathroom DC mansion with marble countertops. :P

 

 

no, of course not. he earned it by doing nothing more than talking for eight or nine years.

 

if that's not deserving of affluence, what is? :huh:

Are you really that dumb or just functionally illiterate and unable to read and understand?

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Are you really that dumb or just functionally illiterate and unable to read and understand?

I see myself as comic relief...

 

not hamstrung by the chronic liberal illness of taking everything so damn seriously especially oneself.

 

that's why traditionalists and conservatives are such happy people.

 

we doan believe that the future existence of the universe rests on every respiratory exhalation by every living breathing ho mo sapien person.

 

we call this magnificent state of mind....living. :lol: 

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Nothing has passed the Senate yet.

 

That is a fact.    I assume what Cid really meant to say wasn't "So far, TrumpCare is worse than ObamaCare",  but instead 'on paper,  TrumpCare is worse than ObamaCare'.

 

Hey,  Duke was worst 'on paper' than North Carolina but we all know how that turned out.

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Nothing has passed the Senate yet.

I'm assuming that whatever passes will be worse, much worse, and that it will be TrumpCare just as the ACA became ObamaCare.

After all, the GOPers have been promising for 8 years to repeal the ACA so they have to enact something.

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I'm assuming that whatever passes will be worse, much worse, and that it will be TrumpCare just as the ACA became ObamaCare.

After all, the GOPers have been promising for 8 years to repeal the ACA so they have to enact something.

the democrats' standing orders with themselves is under no circumstances lend any aid whatsoever to the GOP in repealing and replacing the ACA.

 

they want the republicans to own it completely....

 

so please be fair-minded enough, TheCid, to damn democrats for their politics with the same fervor as you do the GOP.

 

and the thing here is that they doan wanna preserve obamacare for the american people but simply because it is barack obama's premiere achievement.

 

they doan really care anymore about the healthcare needs of the american people than the GOP does...otherwise they would be willing to chime in but they have their marching orders. no help to the GOP with healthcare.

 

now tell me how unabashedly selflessly humanitarian the democrats are again. :D

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the democrats' standing orders with themselves is under no circumstances lend any aid whatsoever to the GOP in repealing and replacing the ACA.

 

they want the republicans to own it completely....

 

so please be fair-minded enough, TheCid, to damn democrats for their politics with the same fervor as you do the GOP.

 

and the thing here is that they doan wanna preserve obamacare for the american people but simply because it is barack obama's premiere achievement.

 

they doan really care anymore about the healthcare needs of the american people than the GOP does...otherwise they would be willing to chime in but they have their marching orders. no help to the GOP with healthcare.

 

now tell me how unabashedly selflessly humanitarian the democrats are again.

 

At least you're admitting that the Republicans can't get anything done by themselves, even when they control everything.

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TRUMPCARE - SO BAD IT'S AWESOME  !

 

"What they came up with instead was a dog’s breakfast that conservatives are, with some justice, calling Obamacare 2.0. But a better designation would be Obamacare 0.5, because it’s a half-baked plan that accepts the logic and broad outline of the Affordable Care Act while catastrophically weakening key provisions.

If enacted, the bill would almost surely lead to a death spiral of soaring premiums and collapsing coverage....

 

Insurers are still barred from excluding the sick, but they’re allowed to charge older Americans — who need insurance the most — much higher premiums.

 

Subsidies are still there, in the form of tax credits, but they’re no longer linked to either income (as long as it’s below $75,000) or the cost of insurance.

 

And the tax on those who don’t sign up becomes a small surcharge — paid to insurance companies, not the public — on people who sign up after previously letting coverage lapse.

 

Affluent young people might end up saving some money as a result of these changes. But the effect on those who are older and less affluent would be devastating....

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/opinion/a-bill-so-bad-its-awesome.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

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"the G.O.P.’s policy-making and policy analysis capacity has been downgraded to the point of worthlessness.

There are real conservative policy experts, but the party doesn’t want them, perhaps because their very competence makes them ideologically unreliable — a proposition illustrated by the rush to enact this bill before the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office can estimate either its costs or its effects.

Basically, facts and serious analysis are the modern right’s enemies; policy is left to hacks who can’t get even the simplest things right.

Second, Republicans seem to have been undone by their reverse-Robin-Hood urges.

You can’t make something like Obamacare work without giving lower-income families enough support that insurance becomes affordable.

 

But the modern G.O.P. always wants to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted;

so the bill ends up throwing away the taxes on the rich that help pay for subsidies, and redirects the subsidies themselves away from those who need them to those who don’t....

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/opinion/a-bill-so-bad-its-awesome.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

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Donald Trump’s Sham Populism-

 

"Early in the campaign, in fact, Trump praised socialized medicine, and promised to provide everybody with health care......

Trump also badly needs to change the subject from Russia....

the political furor surrounding the House G.O.P. proposal has eclipsed the headlines about Trump claiming that Obama wiretapped him.....

he must retain the support of the G.O.P. leadership, which has the power to block such an investigation....

But now Republicans like Ryan have more leverage, and Trump has more of an incentive to go along with them.....

Trump, on the other hand, has little to offer ordinary Americans except protectionist rhetoric and anti-immigrant measures....

Instead, he’s staked his Presidency on a proposal that would hurt many of his supporters, slash Medicaid, undermine the finances of Medicare, and benefit the donor class.

 

That’s not populism: it’s the reverse of it. And it might be a political disaster in the making."

 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/exposed-donald-trumps-sham-populism?mbid=social_facebook

 

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GOP Lawmaker Shaping Obamacare Repeal to Address Delighted Insurance Lobbyists-

 

"The powerful trade group that lobbies on behalf of the health insurance industry, America’s Health Insurance Plans, has much to celebrate as it holds its national health policy conference at the Ritz-Carlton in Washington this week.

 

Among other changes long sought by the industry, the draft Republican proposal for a health care overhaul released on Monday would allow insurers to charge older American more for their premiums and rewrite tax law to make it easier for insurance firms to pay executives even higher pay.....

 

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/07/kevin-brady-ahip/

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I'm very easy to please,  just get this of this  on the tax form. :angry:

 

They can leave the rest of ACA intact if they like.

 

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Article in this week's Time magazine about ACA vs. TrumpCare.

A couple in Tryon NC who supported Trump are dismayed that they will no longer receive a subsidy so they can afford health insurance.

More:  /www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/west-virginia-tug-river-obamacare/?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

 

Amazing.  What were they thinking when they voted for Trump and Republican representative?

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Article in this week's Time magazine about ACA vs. TrumpCare.

A couple in Tryon NC who supported Trump are dismayed that they will no longer receive a subsidy so they can afford health insurance.

More:  /www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/west-virginia-tug-river-obamacare/?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

 

Amazing.  What were they thinking when they voted for Trump and Republican representative?

 

One pundit said that it is people who earn $20,000 per year that are now going to pay 8 times what they once did for health insurance. Ca-ching for Insurance companies and funeral parlours.

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Republicans destroy their own public talking points on Obamacare-

 

“We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.). “That’s going to be called Trumpcare. Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.”....

 

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) warned his colleagues that the estimated budget savings from passing the Obamacare repeal bill — which could approach a half-trillion dollars — are needed to fund the costs of setting up a replacement. “This is going to be what we’ll need to be able to move to that transition,” he said.....

 

Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) also worried that the plans under GOP consideration could eviscerate coverage for the roughly 20 million Americans now covered through state and federal marketplaces, as well as those covered under Medicaid expansion:

“We’re telling those people that we’re not going to pull the rug out from under them, and if we do this too fast, we are in fact going to pull the rug out from under them.”.........

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/27/in-leaked-audio-republicans-destroy-their-own-public-talking-points-on-obamacare/

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Face the Nation Transcript March 12, 2017: Ryan, Paul, Sanders debate TrumpCare....

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcript-march-12-2017-ryan-paul-sanders/

 

Thanks for posting this, but it is long.

I read about half of it, but same old political BSing, especially from Ryan.  One thing I did find interesting is that he said they have had the replacement "plan" in place for seven years, when in fact there has never been a plan at all until now.  He also does not acknowledge the known problems with the replacement plan.

He was also kind of vague about keeping Trump's promises.  No surprise as Trump hasn't got a clue and lied anyway.

Ryan and the GOPers just want to get something passed so they can tell the base they kept the promise.

Then worry about two years from now when their base and rest of US learns they were screwed.

In the meantime, expect ALL medical insurance plans to have increased premiums and/or decreased benefits.  Including those provided by government.

Not to mention, hospitals and Big Pharma and so forth jumping on price increases.

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"..on the Hugh Hewitt show today, Rep. Tom Cotton (R-AK) said that Paul Ryan’s claim that the GOP is engaging in a three-phase repeal and replace of Obamacare, is a lie:

 

“There is no three-phase process. There is no three-step plan. That is just political talk. It’s just politicians engaging in spin.”

Cotton was responding to a tall tale spun by Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price...

The three phases are supposed to be:

1) Repeal and replace;
2) Deregulation; and,
3) Legislative: Republican reforms to make health care “even better”

 

However, Cotton cautioned that the second step will be challenged in court and “perhaps the whims of the most liberal judge in America.” He characterized the third step as “some mythical legislation in the future that is going to garner Democratic support and help us get over 60 votes in the Senate.”

...coverage levels will go down in the coming years under the House bill. They’re also right, I’m afraid, that insurance premiums will continue to go up in the near term, for three to four years, before they start perhaps falling in the long term. However, I suspect that the political consequences of those near-term changes means that the long term will never actually arrive.”

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/14/tom-cotton-paul-ryans-claim-3-phase-repeal-spin.html

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Robert Reich - GOP healthcare bill is a work in progress-

 

“What kind of choice you have if you can’t afford it? That’s when the Republicans are using these words like well, ‘you don’t lose access.’

Of course you lose access if you don’t have any wherewithal.”...

 

“Where is the replacement if it wasn’t in the Republican bill?” Reich asked. “When are we going to see a replacement if it wasn’t already provided by the House Republicans and it is now being marked up by at least two committees?”

 

“There is no plan,” Reich charged.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/there-is-no-plan-robert-reich-schools-economist-who-insists-gop-healthcare-bill-is-a-work-in-progress/

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"..on the Hugh Hewitt show today, Rep. Tom Cotton (R-AK) said that Paul Ryan’s claim that the GOP is engaging in a three-phase repeal and replace of Obamacare, is a lie:

 

“There is no three-phase process. There is no three-step plan. That is just political talk. It’s just politicians engaging in spin.”

Cotton was responding to a tall tale spun by Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price...

The three phases are supposed to be:

1) Repeal and replace;

2) Deregulation; and,

3) Legislative: Republican reforms to make health care “even better”

 

However, Cotton cautioned that the second step will be challenged in court and “perhaps the whims of the most liberal judge in America.” He characterized the third step as “some mythical legislation in the future that is going to garner Democratic support and help us get over 60 votes in the Senate.”

...coverage levels will go down in the coming years under the House bill. They’re also right, I’m afraid, that insurance premiums will continue to go up in the near term, for three to four years, before they start perhaps falling in the long term. However, I suspect that the political consequences of those near-term changes means that the long term will never actually arrive.”

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/14/tom-cotton-paul-ryans-claim-3-phase-repeal-spin.html

The Republican Plan, of which Trump is blissfully unaware, is to use the suspect reconcilliation process to get 51 votes to repeal ACA.  The included replacment is vague, underfunded and totally unfeasible.  But that doesn't matter as the real plan is to just cancel ACA and restrict Medicaid.

Then they can say the Dems didn't cooperate so we never were able to do steps 2 and 3, much less the necessary regulations, laws and funding for the vague promises in step 1.  GOPers never intended to.

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There is a Medicaid based program called "Senior Alliance" that provides much needed comprehensive and attentive home care for invalid senior citizens.  And Trump's  intent on "scaling back" Medicaid funding now has those I know who use the program worried( I've been trying to get my wife on it) as it's vital to their overall conditions.

 

Otherwise, all that home care would have to be out-of-pocket, and that's too costly for seniors on a fixed income.

 

 

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There is a Medicaid based program called "Senior Alliance" that provides much needed comprehensive and attentive home care for invalid senior citizens. And Trump's intent on "scaling back" Medicaid funding now has those I know who use the program worried( I've been trying to get my wife on it) as it's vital to their overall conditions.

 

Otherwise, all that home care would have to be out-of-pocket, and that's too costly for seniors on a fixed income.

 

 

Sepiatone

Working and Middle class people think that Medicaid is only for the poor until they need long-term care and they have not purchased long-term healthcare insurance.

 

The only way a person who is not rich can get long-term care is to go into a nursing facility as a Medicaid patient and forfeit all their personal property.

 

Long-term care costs thousands of dollars per week and when this person, who has worked all their lives to amass something to leave to their children, is forced into that situation, then their children inherit nothing.

 

This Koch-type strategy prevents middle class inheritance and growth.

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