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TheCid--Here's the reason CNN gave; the commentators were flummoxed by it.  Don't ask me to explain the logic behind it, but;  according to CNN's Dana Bash, the bill was supposed to keep the Repeal alive and be sent directly to a committee in the House of Representatives, where  Republican Senate and House members would thrash out a workable bill that both Houses could pass and send to Trump's desk.  

 

And this would have kept democrats from participating in the bill once again.  Something McCain criticized in the press conference but then said he would vote "yes" which made absolutely no sense.  Thankfully he sorted out this logic and actually voted no.

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Just opened this so not sure how "old" it is, but gives good description of pressure placed on McCain.

Also refers to threats made by Trump in late night tweets. 

 

Sen. McCain:  “We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people,” McCain said in a statement explaining his vote. “We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”

 

Trump responded to the news in a late-night tweet: “3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!”

 

Will Trump seek vengeance on the 3 Republican senators?  Watch!

 

www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-gop-leaders-work-to-round-up-votes-for-modest-health-care-overhaul/2017/07/27/ac08fc40-72b7-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.a20b6a5299a8&wpisrc=al_alert-national&wpmk=1

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SOOOOOO HAPPY! I went to bed thinking they had the votes (as the talking heads were saying that) and didnt want to get up this morning. Lo, and Behold! IT LOST BY ONE VOTE!!!

 

Have some respect for McCain now........

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From the Washington Post ...

 

The Plum Line •  Opinion Now that Trumpcare has failed, it’s time to drop all the lies Let's hope we can now proceed from agreement that the ACA has effected positive change in the lives of millions. By Greg Sargent  •  Read more »

 

 

I wish he would have said something like"    Let's hope we can now proceed from agreement that the ACA is here to stay, but has some flaws that must be addressed. 

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I wish he would have said something like"    Let's hope we can now proceed from agreement that the ACA is here to stay, but has some flaws that must be addressed. 

 

Fix instead of replace. Can't believe it's that hard for them to do.

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Fix instead of replace. Can't believe it's that hard for them to do.

 

The problem for the Republicans and the Trumpites on this site is that they have spent eight years painting "Obamacare" (their name for ACA) as a horror that must be killed or the country is doomed.

Therefore, just fixing or changing "Obamacare" galls them too much.

Maybe if they started referring to it as ACA, they could be more amenable to actually fixing it.

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boy, am I fuming. I feel like some blunt expressions of thought...that **** mccain!

 

he knew all along what he was gonna do. that's why he traveled to washington. for his revenge!

 

if donny wants to take some shots at those 2 rino women, that's okay by me. but there is hope...and that is....

 

mccain looking like the complete schtootz that he is next week when the democrats doan return his favor...and that's when donny oughta let loose on him. so I hope mcconnell doan move on...if for no other reason to letting the democrats show mccain just how much true respect and gratitude they truly have for him because that's what the stupid schtootz of a fool rates!...

but why even come back next week? why should he? in his condition it doan even pay now to switch parties. because of mccain and those other two, aca cannot be repealed. so next week when the democrats start on this again, it his my fervent hope that mcconnell will facilitate every single stupid asinine attempt on mccain's part to reach out to the democrats for something...anything. mccain needs to know how much of a fool he is. that will please me very much just as his treachery rewarded the democrats tonite.

 

 

if I were being evaced with mccain, I wouldn't hesitate to tell that schtootz to gimme some air...I'm particular about the air I breathe in close company with schtootzes like him.

:angry:

 

 

 

Are you Weary of Winning yet? He promised you would be, and you sounded like you would be.
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The problem for the Republicans and the Trumpites on this site is that they have spent eight years painting "Obamacare" (their name for ACA) as a horror that must be killed or the country is doomed.

Therefore, just fixing or changing "Obamacare" galls them too much.

Maybe if they started referring to it as ACA, they could be more amenable to actually fixing it.

 

:huh:

 

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:huh:

 

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That's a private insurance company that decided to use Obamacare as a tag.  I see signs put up by insurance companies all the time using it.

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That's a private insurance company that decided to use Obamacare as a tag.  I see signs put up by insurance companies all the time using it.

 

I don't see how that changes Ham's point;   Obamacare wasn't the GOP's tag for the ACA but almost everyone's tag  (the media,  insurance carriers,  the Dems,  Obama himself,   etc....). 

 

I don't recall who was the first one to use Obamacare,  but I assume that was a GOP politician or some media loud mouth like Hannity. 

 

That tag became an issue at my work place where one must be as apolitical as possible,  as it relates to doing our job.   In a meeting the lead researcher said they were going to do a study on Obamacare and the impact,  if any, to access to specialist.    I objected to the use of Obamacare because way too often it is used as a negative term to indicate poor legislation and \ or a dig on the President.    I was vocal that it is the ACA and that everyone should call it that and only that.   Well this lead researcher continued to use Obamacare.     But later on he stopped doing this.    I assume the director of research talked to him (because this guy was a troll and I highly doubt he decided that on his own).

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Trump Supporters Furious That They Still Have Health Care

 

“I went to bed Thursday night and slept like a baby, assuming that when I woke up I would have zero health insurance,” Carol Foyler, a Trump voter, said. “Instead, this nightmare.”

 

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-supporters-furious-that-they-still-have-health-care

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I don't see how that changes Ham's point;   Obamacare wasn't the GOP's tag for the ACA but almost everyone's tag  (the media,  insurance carriers,  the Dems,  Obama himself,   etc....). 

 

I don't recall who was the first one to use Obamacare,  but I assume that was a GOP politician or some media loud mouth like Hannity. 

 

That tag became an issue at my work place where one must be as apolitical as possible,  as it relates to doing our job.   In a meeting the lead researcher said they were going to do a study on Obamacare and the impact,  if any, to access to specialist.    I objected to the use of Obamacare because way too often it is used as a negative term to indicate poor legislation and \ or a dig on the President.    I was vocal that it is the ACA and that everyone should call it that and only that.   Well this lead researcher continued to use Obamacare.     But later on he stopped doing this.    I assume the director of research talked to him (because this guy was a troll and I highly doubt he decided that on his own).

 

Maybe her? ;)

 

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She is also the poster child for website failure.  :wacko:

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Trump's Halt In Subsidies For Health Insurers Expected To Drive Up Costs For Middle Class-

 

".........The decision will most directly affect middle-class families who buy their own insurance without financial help from the government. Consumers who earn more than 400 percent of the federal poverty level — an individual with income of about $48,000 or a family of four that makes more than $98,400 — will likely see their costs for coverage rise next year by an average of about 20 percent nationwide.......

 

"We now know what Trumpcare looks like, and it's pretty ugly,"....

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/10/13/557541856/halt-in-subsidies-for-health-insurers-expected-to-drive-up-costs-for-middle-clas?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2040

 

 

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I don't see how that changes Ham's point;   Obamacare wasn't the GOP's tag for the ACA but almost everyone's tag  (the media,  insurance carriers,  the Dems,  Obama himself,   etc....). 

 

I don't recall who was the first one to use Obamacare,  but I assume that was a GOP politician or some media loud mouth like Hannity. 

 

That tag became an issue at my work place where one must be as apolitical as possible,  as it relates to doing our job.   In a meeting the lead researcher said they were going to do a study on Obamacare and the impact,  if any, to access to specialist.    I objected to the use of Obamacare because way too often it is used as a negative term to indicate poor legislation and \ or a dig on the President.    I was vocal that it is the ACA and that everyone should call it that and only that.   Well this lead researcher continued to use Obamacare.     But later on he stopped doing this.    I assume the director of research talked to him (because this guy was a troll and I highly doubt he decided that on his own).

This is confusing.  First you say that it wasn't the GOP's tag for ACA, but then you say a GOP politician or some media person.

I am relatively sure that the GOP used the phrase repeatedly and almost never called it ACA.  They may have picked it up from the media, but the GOP very early on took it as their own and still use it.

The Dems didn't start using the phrase until it was well underway and proving to be successful.

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ha! look at that little dickens. :D

 

Judging from your happy face emoji, your utter disdain for humanity seems limitless.

 

Mike Lukovich, Pulitzer Prize winning political cartoonist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, nails it every time.

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