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17 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Hold the Nobel Prize: Kim Is Setting a Trap for Trump

It’s far too early to get excited about the possible outbreak of peace on the Korean Peninsula.

".......North Korea has pledged on multiple occasions to not to acquire nuclear weapons, beginning with the North’s accession to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1985. In 1992, Kim’s grandfather committed to three no’s: no nuclear weapons, no nuclear reprocessing and no uranium enrichment. North Korea was caught red-handed cheating multiple times on all three nuclear no’s, but still received security assurances from the United States in 2005, when both sides pledged “to respect each other’s sovereignty, exist peacefully together” and normalize relations. All of these efforts ended in the same place, with a different Kim breaking his promises and enjoying tangible concessions from the United States and its allies.

To counter Kim’s smile diplomacy and avoid his trap, the Trump administration should take four lessons from prior negotiations with North Korea, Libya and Iran.......

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/10/trump-north-korea-kim-jong-un-nobel-prize-218357

=yeah, like HE'S likely to pay attention!

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Right- PEACE, don't think of giving it a chance (even if small). This situation with North Korea has never happen before. NK could be lying - the future will tell. Now if Obama was doing this SAME THING, lets give him the Nobel Peace Prize  and a ticker tape parade.

 

Finding it strange some are unhappy tensions has DECREASED! :wacko:

 

Remember when many thought this was once nearly impossible.

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Did have a few killjoy clowns in the Soviet Union try to undo it

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Lucas TomlinsonVerified account @LucasFoxNews

 

Pompeo: “I think Chairman Kim [Jong Un] shares the objectives with the American people, I am convinced of that,” secretary of state says on @FoxNewsSunday

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Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto May 13

 

This is an odd conviction to hold about a leader who starves his people, assassinates relatives, holds thousands in prison labor camps & has cheated on every previous nuclear treaty.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44101068

Pompeo on N Korea: US may allow private firms to invest

The US may allow private companies to invest in North Korea, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Sunday.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, he clarified that this would be conditional on the country's full denuclearisation.

He said US investors could help build its energy grid.

This comes after his trip to Pyongyang last week and ahead of President Donald Trump's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore.

The US announced its offer to help rebuild the North Korean economy on Friday, but Mr Pompeo has now given more details on the proposal.

"This will be Americans coming in - private sector Americans, not the US taxpayer - private sector Americans coming in to help build out the energy grid. They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea," he said.

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1 hour ago, Gershwin fan said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44101068

Pompeo on N Korea: US may allow private firms to invest

The US may allow private companies to invest in North Korea, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Sunday.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, he clarified that this would be conditional on the country's full denuclearisation.

He said US investors could help build its energy grid.

This comes after his trip to Pyongyang last week and ahead of President Donald Trump's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore.

The US announced its offer to help rebuild the North Korean economy on Friday, but Mr Pompeo has now given more details on the proposal.

"This will be Americans coming in - private sector Americans, not the US taxpayer - private sector Americans coming in to help build out the energy grid. They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea," he said.

 

People thought Puerto Rico was a challenge! :blink:

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US and SK are always doing drills, Kim just trying to find a frivolous excuse to cancel.

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On 5/14/2018 at 5:53 PM, mr6666 said:

Lucas TomlinsonVerified account @LucasFoxNews

 

Pompeo: “I think Chairman Kim [Jong Un] shares the objectives with the American people, I am convinced of that,” secretary of state says on @FoxNewsSunday

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Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto May 13

 

This is an odd conviction to hold about a leader who starves his people, assassinates relatives, holds thousands in prison labor camps & has cheated on every previous nuclear treaty.

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perhaps pompeo means it in the context of the current iniative.

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Josh SmithVerified account @joshjonsmith

 

BREAKING: KCNA says North Korea will "reconsider" summit with Trump if U.S. insists on it giving up nuclear program,

says it will never give up its nuclear program in exchange for economic trade with the United States

7:22 PM - 15 May 2018

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5 hours ago, hamradio said:

US and SK are always doing drills, Kim just trying to find a frivolous excuse to cancel.

 

Its called negotiating or the art of the deal.   Regardless, Kim may very well be looking for a reason to cancel, especially since Trump reneged on the Iran nuclear agreement even though Iran was in 100% compliance.  Also, NK has promised denuclerization several times in the past and then backed out.

Just goes to prove that Trump is totally unqualified to be considered for any kind of "peace" award.

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Another interesting article on the Trump - North Korea situation.  Trump will learn that appointing John Bolton to any position in government is a mistake as far as actually accomplishing anything.  He will appeal to the Trump base, but he will offend the rest of America and the world.  Might even get the US involved in conflicts it cannot win.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/05/17/this-is-why-north-korea-reacted-so-strongly-to-boltons-mention-of-the-libya-model/?utm_term=.e5a63639934a&wpisrc=nl_politics&wpmm=1

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23 hours ago, mr6666 said:

Josh SmithVerified account @joshjonsmith

 

BREAKING: KCNA says North Korea will "reconsider" summit with Trump if U.S. insists on it giving up nuclear program,

says it will never give up its nuclear program in exchange for economic trade with the United States

7:22 PM - 15 May 2018

they of course are for once being truthful. NK will not give up their nuclear ambitions.

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Is a gullible Donald Trump being taken for a ride by North Korea?

Experts on the challenge of North Korea diplomacy largely agree that Trump has put himself in a terrible position

".....Trump already made a major diplomatic concession to Kim Jong-un by agreeing to meet with him, something no previous U.S. president has ever done.

As a result, North Korea is now in a position to humiliate Trump if he fails to extract major concessions from the Kim dictatorship. In typical fashion, Trump has made clear that he hopes to achieve a lasting peace between North and South Korea, a maddeningly difficult goal that is of course impossible without North Korean cooperation. Kim's government understands this perfectly well.

The North Korean "end game," Chang said, "is to keep their most destructive weapons, have a meeting with President Trump which legitimizes Kim Jong-un, and be able to continue to threaten the rest of the world. Getting relief from sanctions, getting money from South Korea ... there's a whole laundry list of things that they want......

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/17/is-a-gullible-donald-trump-being-taken-for-a-ride-by-north-korea/

 

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https://outline.com/WDpYgy

Trump Says China May Be Egging On North Korea’s Insults

President Donald Trump said Thursday that Chinese President Xi Jinping “could be influencing” North Korean leader Kim Jong Un after his regime abruptly shifted to a sharp, negative tone this week about the prospects of a planned summit with the U.S. in June.

“If you remember two weeks ago, all of a sudden out of nowhere Kim Jong Un went to China to say hello again -- second time -- to President Xi,” Trump told reporters during an Oval Office meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, referring to a May 8 meeting between the leaders.

“It could very well be that he’s influencing Kim Jong Un. We’ll see what happens. Meaning the President of China, President Xi, could be influencing,” Trump said.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44207986

Trump says summit with North Korea's Kim Jong-un may be delayed

US President Donald Trump has said there is a "very substantial chance" a historic summit with North Korea's Kim Jong-un next month may not happen.

He said the North must meet conditions for the summit to go ahead though if it did not, it might happen "later".

He was speaking as he received South Korea's President Moon Jae-in at the White House.

The North has said it may cancel the summit if the US insists on it giving up nuclear weapons unilaterally.

Mr Trump did not say what conditions the US had set for the summit but, asked by a reporter about the North's arsenal, he said "denuclearisation must take place".

The 12 June summit is due to take place in Singapore. It follows a summit between the two Korean leaders in April.

North Korea is expected to dismantle a nuclear test site this week as a good will gesture but the demolition may be delayed by bad weather.

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https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Trump-Calls-off-Meeting-with-North-Koreas-Kim-20180524-0005.html

Trump Calls off Meeting with North Korea's Kim

 

News comes just hours after North Korea dismantled a nuclear test site.

U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday called off his planned June 12 summit meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in a letter released by the White House.

"I was very much looking forward to being there with you," Trump said in the letter. "Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting."

Trump called it "a missed opportunity" and said someday he still hoped to meet Kim.

Earlier Thursday, North Korea repeated a threat to pull out of the unprecedented summit with Trump next month and warned it was prepared for a nuclear showdown with Washington if necessary.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44242558

Trump cancels Kim summit amid North Korea 'hostility'

US President Donald Trump has cancelled a summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, saying the world had "lost a great opportunity for lasting peace".

He said his decision was because of "tremendous anger and open hostility" in a recent North Korean statement.

The summit aimed at ridding the Korean peninsula of nuclear weapons and would have been the first time a sitting US president met a North Korean leader.

But both sides have recently cast doubt on whether the talks would happen.

Mr Trump's announcement came just hours after North Korea said it had dismantled tunnels at its only nuclear test site in a move witnessed by foreign reporters.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-whitehouse/white-house-north-koreas-response-to-pence-was-last-straw-idUSKCN1IP2KR

White House: North Korea's response to Pence was 'last straw'

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North Korea’s reaction to comments by U.S. Vice President Mike Pence were the “last straw” that led the White House to cancel President Donald Trump’s planned summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a White House official said on Thursday.

 

North Korea’s vice foreign minister called remarks by Pence about North Korea stupid and suggested the two countries could either meet for a summit or for a nuclear showdown.

Pence said in an interview with Fox News Channel on Monday that the interaction with North Korea could “end like the Libya Model ended if Kim Jong Un doesn’t make a deal.”

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This just required an NBC Special Report

Surprised all life on Earth haven't came to a dead stop just to listen.

 

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6 minutes ago, Gershwin fan said:

North Korea insults Pence and calls him a "very stupid idiot."

 

 

 

More nuclear war HS.

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18 minutes ago, jakeem said:

Susan Rice Retweeted Anna Fifield

The Administration’s approach to North Korea from start to finish has been one long amateur hour. In that way, it is not much different from Trump’s approach to many other issues. But the difference is that with North Korea the stakes could not be higher.

 

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No biggie. Since the chance of KJU being stupid enough to initiate a suicidal

nuclear attack on the U.S. was about zero, canceling this meeting is not that

big a deal. 

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Read the fiery North Korea statement that made Trump cancel his summit with Kim Jong Un-

see: https://qz.com/1287942/full-text-of-the-north-korean-statement-that-provoked-donald-trump-to-cancel-a-historic-summit/

 

 

".........In view of the remarks of the US high-ranking politicians who have not yet woken up to this stark reality and compare the DPRK to Libya that met a tragic fate, I come to think that they know too little about us.

To borrow their words, we can also make the US taste an appalling tragedy it has neither experienced nor even imagined up to now.

Before making such reckless threatening remarks without knowing exactly who he is facing, Pence should have seriously considered the terrible consequences of his words......"

Read Chloe Son Hui’s statement in full (via the AP😞

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Trump's North Korea withdrawal was so typically erratic and bombastic that it was totally predictable

The president's break-up letter to Kim Jong Un was a plot twist any reality television water would've seen coming.
 
.......Try to convince the rest of the world that the leader is erratic enough that you just don’t know what he’s going to do next. (Consider, too, that candidate Trump's central complaint about U.S. foreign policy was “We are totally predictable. …We have to be unpredictable, and we have to be unpredictable starting now.”)

But when the madman is a one-trick pony, the approach falls apart. “The world learns to ignore Trump,” was the headline on a Politico story last month, noting that reactions to the president’s peripatetic pronouncements are producing diminishing returns in terms of global reaction.

“All of this has led investors, executives and diplomats to the conclusion that trying to act on any single thing Trump says or tweets is a fool’s game,”......

(Trump) jumped at the bait that his pointy-headed predecessors had abjured and agreed to a no-concessions meeting with the Kim. He acted with such haste and so little planning that the kind of lower-level diplomatic spadework which usually proceeds these kinds of meetings reportedly remained largely unfinished just weeks before it was supposed to take place.

(But they did get the important stuff done like minting commemorative coin, which was suddenly for sale at a discount Thursday.) ....

...with two nuclear-armed, impulse-control-deficient man-children regularly comparing the sizes of their arsenals while trading insults (Mike Pence is a “political dummy,” per North Korea, after he echoed administration threats of the “Libya model” of denuclearization, which Libya’s leader did not survive).

The result Thursday was a you-can’t-dump-me-because-I’m-dumping you epistle.

Who knows what it will be tomorrow and the day after......"

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-north-korea-withdrawal-was-so-typically-erratic-bombastic-ncna877221

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