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SOCIALISM & MARXISM & FEMINISM = DEMOCRAT PARTY = MISERY & POVERTY & DEATH

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I really shouldn't be doing this, but here on this TCM forum, (TCM, the-moviest-of-all-movie-websites) movies seem to be the least popular topic of discussion The party's all in here instead. Anyway:

In the OP's post a "Brietbart" article is being quoted. "Breitbart" is one of the worst social media/fake news outlets out there.

Background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News

https://tinyurl.com/y8pzqwqk

https://tinyurl.com/y8r2qx79

I don't want to offend Jake Holman as I have seen his posts around this forum and I like that movie (and his posts) a lot. Jake is Jake with me.

But I really am not liking the fact that 60% of Americans get their 'news' from posting and re-posting items from  shoddy social media sites.

Example of just how widespread and powerful this hokum can be:

https://tinyurl.com/yc9hfgl9

The country of Sweden is especially a target:

https://tinyurl.com/heuytby

Something else I came across recently. As much as 40% of news may emanate from 'PR firms'...

https://tinyurl.com/y78enujm

In short: who knows what's going on any more?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure..."

Well as for socialism, I could say quite a lot of good things about socialism and they'll stand up against the sternest attack anyone on the internet can mount. Not that I am a socialist myself, but I am definitely not uncritical about capitalism either.
 

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Is this thread all about Venezuela? I'm only three pages in.

Me, I've been in both Brazil and especially Ecuador pretty deeply--rural and urban areas both--and I can tell you from first-hand experience with those governments, that they are capitalist failures as bad as anything in Venezuela.

At any time, I can send any specific question about the state of affairs in South America to an acquaintance of mine who studied and wrote on America's foreign policy there, as a stringer for the US State Department. He held over twenty years experience. I've quizzed him myself on how well socialism ever worked in Latin America --and when I expected to hear a devastating, withering reply, he could only give it a half/half rating. "So-so". Not great, but not a disaster. "It depends".

In short, a verdict not any worse than it would have been if it had ever been an entirely capitalist continent.

And remember; socialism always struggles to succeed against the might of US Foreign policy and US Economic  policy which actively works against it. This is something to bear in mind if you wish to say that it fails, (as if it "fails entirely from its own fault" Not so.)

Source for these latter remarks of mine: Baran and Sweezy, "Monopoly Capital".

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2 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Is this thread all about Venezuela? I'm only three pages in.

Me, I've been in both Brazil and especially Ecuador pretty deeply--rural and urban areas both--and I can tell you from first-hand experience with those governments, that they are capitalist failures as bad as anything in Venezuela.

At any time, I can send any specific question about the state of affairs in South America to an acquaintance of mine who studied and wrote on America's foreign policy there, as a stringer for the US State Department. He held over twenty years experience. I've quizzed him myself on how well socialism ever worked in Latin America --and when I expected to hear a devastating, withering reply, he could only give it a half/half rating. "So-so". Not great, but not a disaster. "It depends".

In short, a verdict not any worse than it would have been if it had ever been an entirely capitalist continent.

And remember; socialism always struggles to succeed against the might of US Foreign policy and US Economic  policy which actively works against it. This is something to bear in mind if you wish to say that it fails, (as if it "fails entirely from its own fault" Not so.)

Source for these latter remarks of mine: Baran and Sweezy, "Monopoly Capital".

Sadly most people stick to silly and immature binary framing of political issues at this forum;   E.g. something is either great or evil.     No nuance,  no 'it depends'.     You're either with US or your part of THEM.

Note that since you're intelligent enough to offer a nuanced POV,  you may need to consume more of that magic juice if you plan on sticking around these parts (wink).

 

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3 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:

Is this thread all about Venezuela? I'm only three pages in.

Me, I've been in both Brazil and especially Ecuador pretty deeply--rural and urban areas both--and I can tell you from first-hand experience with those governments, that they are capitalist failures as bad as anything in Venezuela.

At any time, I can send any specific question about the state of affairs in South America to an acquaintance of mine who studied and wrote on America's foreign policy there, as a stringer for the US State Department. He held over twenty years experience. I've quizzed him myself on how well socialism ever worked in Latin America --and when I expected to hear a devastating, withering reply, he could only give it a half/half rating. "So-so". Not great, but not a disaster. "It depends".

In short, a verdict not any worse than it would have been if it had ever been an entirely capitalist continent.

And remember; socialism always struggles to succeed against the might of US Foreign policy and US Economic  policy which actively works against it. This is something to bear in mind if you wish to say that it fails, (as if it "fails entirely from its own fault" Not so.)

Source for these latter remarks of mine: Baran and Sweezy, "Monopoly Capital".

Good post but for the record, Venezuela is not Socialist. It's got 70% privatization which is more than the FDR era USA. The only proper Socialist nations on Earth are Cuba and Rojava but China is arguably similar to Lenin's New Economic Policy.

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Good post but for the record, Venezuela is not Socialist. It's got 70% privatization which is more than the FDR era USA.

Thank you very kindly! p.s. But, I hope you were admonishing someone else with these factoids. Nothing in my post --as far as I can tell with a re-read--seems to provokes them.

There is something I wish more folks would realize: the total number of socialist parties or progressive governments which have ever appeared since the 1800s. I haven't got the figures at my fingertips as I write this; but I think its something like 120-odd Leftist parties or powers out of a total of 170-odd nations on Earth. It's clearly not a paltry or a minor movement in political history.

 

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no way an old white male centrist Rat will lead the party...

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Industrial progress, mechanical improvement, all of the great wonders of the modern era have meant little to the wealthy. The rich in ancient Greece would have benefited hardly at all from modern plumbing — running servants replaced running water. Television and radio — the patricians of Rome could enjoy the leading musicians and actors in their home, could have the leading artists as domestic retainers. Ready-to-wear clothing, supermarkets — all these and many other modern developments would have added little to their life. They would have welcomed the improvements in transportation and in medicine, but for the rest, the great achievements of western capitalism have rebounded primarily to the benefit of the ordinary person. These achievements have made available to the masses conveniences and amenities that were previously the exclusive prerogative of the rich and powerful.
Free to Choose (1980) p. 148

Milton Friedman 

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