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3 minutes ago, mr6666 said:

"President Trump on Tuesday appeared to endorse a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, saying he would be willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that many of his hard-line supporters have long viewed as unacceptable.

The president made the remarks during an extended meeting with congressional Republicans and Democrats who are weighing a shorter-term agreement that would extend legal status for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. Mr. Trump has said such a deal must be accompanied by new money for a border wall and measures to limit immigrants from bringing family members into the country in the future, conditions he repeated during the meeting on Tuesday.

But in backing a broader immigration measure, Mr. Trump was giving a rare public glimpse of an impulse he has expressed privately to advisers and lawmakers — the desire to preside over a more far-reaching solution to the status of the 11 million undocumented immigrants already living and working in the United States....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-daca-immigration.html

Isn't really doesn't matter what Trump thinks or says because I believe he will sign anything.   This is what he meant by 'take the heat';   I.e. it was code for 'figure out a compromise that will upset many in BOTH of your bases,  and I'll sign it'.    

Lets see the GOP and Dem Congressional leaders can do this.    Frankly I have more faith in Ryan to get some hard line GOP members of the House to agree to a compromise (e.g. visas for Dreamers),  than I do Pelosi to get hard line Dems (e.g. Dems ONLY willing to vote for a pure-DACA bill) to agree. 

But if both Ryan and Pelosi can get a majority of their members to agree,  they wouldn't need the hardliners.  As for the Senate,  I think they can agree on a compromise bill.

Of course the only worry with Trump is that any funding for border-security has to look like funding for a 'wall'.   But even if NOT,   I can't see Trump vetoing a compromise bill.   (but again,  who knows with that clown).  

 

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Jan 9 2018, 6:22 pm ET

Birth tourism brings Russian baby boom to Miami

"...for a growing number of Russian women, the draw isn't sunny beaches or pulsing nightclubs. It's U.S. citizenship for their newborn children.

In Moscow, it's a status symbol to have a Miami-born baby, and social media is full of Russian women boasting of their little americantsy.

...Donald Trump has indicated he is opposed to so-called chain migration, which gives U.S. citizens the right to sponsor relatives, because of recent terror attacks. And as a candidate, he called for an end to birthright citizenship, declaring it in one of his first policy papers the "biggest magnet for illegal immigration."

"You have to get rid of it," he said on "Meet the Press" on NBC. "They're having a baby and all of a sudden — nobody knows — the baby is here. You have no choice."

In a twist, as the Daily Beast first reported, condo buildings that bear the Trump name are the most popular for the out-of-town obstetric patients, although the units are subleased from the individual owners and it's not clear if building management is aware.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birth-tourism-brings-russian-baby-boom-miami-n836121

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43 minutes ago, mr6666 said:
 
Jan 9 2018, 6:22 pm ET

Birth tourism brings Russian baby boom to Miami

"...for a growing number of Russian women, the draw isn't sunny beaches or pulsing nightclubs. It's U.S. citizenship for their newborn children.

In Moscow, it's a status symbol to have a Miami-born baby, and social media is full of Russian women boasting of their little americantsy.

...Donald Trump has indicated he is opposed to so-called chain migration, which gives U.S. citizens the right to sponsor relatives, because of recent terror attacks. And as a candidate, he called for an end to birthright citizenship, declaring it in one of his first policy papers the "biggest magnet for illegal immigration."

"You have to get rid of it," he said on "Meet the Press" on NBC. "They're having a baby and all of a sudden — nobody knows — the baby is here. You have no choice."

In a twist, as the Daily Beast first reported, condo buildings that bear the Trump name are the most popular for the out-of-town obstetric patients, although the units are subleased from the individual owners and it's not clear if building management is aware.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birth-tourism-brings-russian-baby-boom-miami-n836121

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Apparently not all anchor babies have mothers from Mexico or other Latin American countries.

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" Federal immigration agents descended on dozens of 7-Eleven convenience stores across the country before daybreak on Wednesday, arresting undocumented workers and demanding paperwork from managers, in what the Trump administration described as its largest enforcement operation against employers so far. ......

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/us/7-eleven-raids-ice.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

 

Bill KristolVerified account @BillKristol 1h1 hour ago

 
 

Donald Trump: Tough on immigrants working at 7-Elevens, soft on wealthy Russians coming here to give birth.

 

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17 hours ago, mr6666 said:

" Federal immigration agents descended on dozens of 7-Eleven convenience stores across the country before daybreak on Wednesday, arresting undocumented workers and demanding paperwork from managers, in what the Trump administration described as its largest enforcement operation against employers so far. ......

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/us/7-eleven-raids-ice.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

 

Bill KristolVerified account @BillKristol 1h1 hour ago

 
 

Donald Trump: Tough on immigrants working at 7-Elevens, soft on wealthy Russians coming here to give birth.

 

:rolleyes:

This is like when he admitted only the poor muslims will be affected by his travel ban and the rich ones will be able to come here.

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1 hour ago, Gershwin fan said:

This is like when he admitted only the poor muslims will be affected by his travel ban and the rich ones will be able to come here.

The Feds should go after employers that knowingly hire illegal immigrants and this is what many employer do (since the employer can abuse these workers by doing thing like NOT paying overtime,  paying under the table,    etc...). 

I really don't understand the crying about going after these employers.   They hire illegal immigrants to keep wages low for legal workers.     

 

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6 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

The Feds should go after employers that knowingly hire illegal immigrants and this is what many employer do (since the employer can abuse these workers by doing thing like NOT paying overtime,  paying under the table,    etc...). 

I really don't understand the crying about going after these employers.   They hire illegal immigrants to keep wages low for legal workers.     

 

I don't disagree with that point. It's the hypocrisy of him doing one thing while letting the rich get away with the same thing.

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That's why some Republicans aren't all that enthusiastic about a crack down

on certain illegal immigrants. They consider themselves friends to the small

businessman, even if the small businessman is hiring illegals as workers. 

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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump

 

DACA is probably dead because the Democrats don’t really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military.

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Peter AlexanderVerified account @PeterAlexander 14h14 hours ago

Peter Alexander Retweeted Donald J. Trump

In fact, DACA’s alive because a federal judge ruled against the Trump administration last week

& the federal gov’t said it would resume accepting requests for DACA renewals.

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Assuming 'dreamers' are granted legal status and an eventual pathway to citizenship,   is there still a need for sanctuary cities?  (or sanctuary states, like CA).

If so,  why?    

 

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'We Are Not That Country': Rebuking Trump Policies, Judge Orders Immigrant Rights Advocate Freed

"It ought not be—and it has never before been—that those who have lived without incident in this country for years are subjected to treatment we associate with regimes we revile as unjust."

" In a strongly-worded ruling that condemned the Trump administration's immigration policies, a federal judge ordered that immigrant rights activist Ravi Ragbir be released from jail on Monday, more than two weeks after he was abruptly detained during a routine check-in with immigration officials. ...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/01/29/we-are-not-country-rebuking-trump-policies-judge-orders-immigrant-rights-advocate

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For some immigrants, deportation means death

" President Donald Trump continues to crack down on undocumented immigrants, including those that have not been convicted of a violent crime. But the U.S. does not monitor the fate of deportees, who have been kidnapped, extorted, sexually assaulted or even killed.

Sarah Stillman, who tracked some of these cases for The New Yorker, joins Hari Sreenivasan to discuss what she found. ....

...a woman named Laura who had been living in the U.S. for a very long time. She had U.S. citizen children. ...

... She literally said to Border Patrol and her last words, when I’m sent back and killed my blood will be on your hands. And in fact that is exactly what happened. She was sent back across the bridge and a week later she was found dead. ...

"... some of these patterns were absolutely there under the Obama administration and we did see a large number of deportations. But there was also prosecutorial discretion and clear priorities for who should be sent back. And so I think by the end of Obama’s term there really was a focus on people with serious felony offenses and we’ve seen that go out the window.

And also these new categories of people who facing threat. So we’ve got DACA, the young people who oftentimes have lived here for much of their lives many of whom are now adults with their own children who are now facing being sent back.

And we’ve also got temporary protected status, people from El Salvador and a number of other countries that thought that they were going to be here safely for a while and are also being sent. ...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/for-some-immigrants-deportation-means-death?utm_source=frontline&utm_term=social&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20180129&utm_content=1311408538&linkId=47540660

 

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Senate Begins Immigration Debate, With the Outcome Unknown

 

..........the Senate on Monday began an open-ended debate on immigration — an exceedingly rare step that, in effect, will allow senators to attempt to build a bill from scratch on the Senate floor.

The highly unusual debate, expected to unfold throughout the week, will test whether a series of legislative concepts and proposals championed by President Trump and a variety of Republicans and Democrats can garner 60 votes, the threshold for a measure to pass the Senate. No one has any idea how it will turn out.

“Whoever gets to 60 wins,” Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, told reporters last week....

About 690,000 young immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children are shielded from deportation under an Obama-era initiative known as the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA. Another 1.1 million young immigrants are eligible for DACA but did not apply. But Mr. Trump suspended the initiative in September and gave lawmakers until March 5 to come up with a replacement that would protect the young immigrants, known as Dreamers, after proposed legislation called the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM Act. .....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/us/politics/senate-immigration-debate.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

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On 1/29/2018 at 7:39 PM, mr6666 said:

and a number of other countries that thought that they were going to be here safely for a while

How long is 'for a while'?   In some cases the so called temporary status is over a decade.   I would hope any honest person would agree that that isn't 'for a while' or temporary. 

But I do agree there needs to be increased funding to hire more judges so that immigration hearing will be conducted quicker and that the really deserving illegal immigrants are granted permanent status.    But the Dem do NOT wish for this and never did.   More judges and quicker hearings will result in MORE deportations done on a more real-time basis and there are no illegal immigrants that should be deported according to the pro-illegal-immigration activist.

I.e. the 'old' system of living in the shadows was working well,  since there was little to no enforcement, especially after Obama changed how ICE operated once he was a lame-duck and put into place DACA.

 

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The Great Senate Immigration Debate That Wasn't

Mitch McConnell promised an open, freewheeling process to finally resolve the fate of DACA and the Dreamers. But amid more partisan bickering, the attempt has stalled before it even began.

........“I defy you to find worse debates in recent history than those over immigration. They are ugly, bloody debates chock-full of highly partisan social issues that seek only to divide and don’t bring anyone together.”

At the heart of this procedural stalemate is a competing tension familiar to members of both parties: Lawmakers like to call publicly for an open legislative process, but they don’t like having to take the risky political votes that come with it.....

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/the-great-senate-immigration-debate-that-wasnt/553253/

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