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Is 12 Trump threads here enough yet?

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 If the election of the POTUS

was simply based on the will of the people and not the electoral

college, Donny wouldn't be president. 

You must be a very wise person, you know the outcome of the election even though the rules would change the strategies of how the candidates would campaign for votes.

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You must be a very wise person, you know the outcome of the election even though the rules would change the strategies of how the candidates would campaign for votes.

 

 

You're correct;  what Vautrin stated is total nonsense.      E.g. Here is CA the two main elections,  President,  and the open Senate seat were sure to be won by a Dem.  (CA now has a revised primary where for some offices the top two primary leaders face off in the General,  therefore NO GOP candidate was even on the ballot for the Senate seat that Dem Harris won).

 

I know many GOP members that didn't vote since their vote was meaningless in those two major contest (meaningless as in helping a GOP candidate).   IF they knew their vote for President would have counted,  they likely would have voted.    Of course Trump would have spent money in CA to get votes, as well as other blue states like NY.     

 

Of course Clinton may still have received more votes anyway but to just assume that would be the case is folly.

 

Vautrin doesn't even vote!!!   So he has NO clue how people that DO VOTE,   think or behave.

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Obamacare is basically an update of an idea that started with

the conservative Heritage Foundation, so it's hardly something

that will feed the fervor of left wingers. If the election of the POTUS

was simply based on the will of the people and not the electoral

college, Donny wouldn't be president. 

trump is hardly responsible for the failure of abolishing the electoral college.

 

that is reality. if democrats want the will of the people to be the deciding factor then there's a winning issue right there. :lol:

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You must be a very wise person, you know the outcome of the election even though the rules would change the strategies of how the candidates would campaign for votes.

 

Yes, the outcome of the 2016 election showed that Clinton got about

3 million more votes than Donny. I would say that indicates the true

will of the people. Sure, Trump would have campaigned differently if

the popular vote was the deciding factor, but he still might have lost.

Since the electoral college isn't going anywhere soon, the only way

to gauge the will of the people, however imperfectly, is the popular vote.

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Someone posts an interesting topic, and 20 Trump threads come up and bury it. There is a reason why this isn't allowed.

 

You say it's not allowed, but I don't see the Moderators doing anything about it.

 

Trying to do battle against the obsessed leads only to frustration.

 

It's probably best to let those types do their thing rather than try to match the crazy.

 

Relax, do your own thing, stay true to yourself. If there are other members who appreciate what a member tends to post, those people do find those posts even if they've been knocked back a page or two.

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Vautrin doesn't even vote!!!   So he has NO clue how people that DO VOTE,   think or behave.

If one only knew how people think and behave if one did the same

thing as they did, one's experience would be extremely limited. I

don't vote, but I can guess how those that do think and behave,

taking into account that people vote for different reasons. Not

too many people think that the typical American voter is all that

knowledgeable about issues in the first place. 

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trump is hardly responsible for the failure of abolishing the electoral college.

 

that is reality. if democrats want the will of the people to be the deciding factor then there's a winning issue right there. :lol:

I never said he is responsible. I haven't looked at any polls

lately, but I would guess most people would be in favor of

getting rid of it, even if the politicians aren't. 

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Not too many people think that the typical American voter is all that knowledgeable about issues in the first place. 

 

Especially if it's you they're thinking of.

 

But, once again, you're just making **** up. You have no way of knowing if "not too many people" think that.

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If one only knew how people think and behave if one did the same

thing as they did, one's experience would be extremely limited. I

don't vote, but I can guess how those that do think and behave,

taking into account that people vote for different reasons. Not

too many people think that the typical American voter is all that

knowledgeable about issues in the first place. 

 

Well I agree with you that the typical American voter isn't all that knowledgeable about issues, that helps make the case that IF the election would have been based on who received the most votes, period,  and this was known way prior to the general election, Trump would have receive more votes than Clinton.

 

The entire Trump movement was driven mostly by a populist movement with many of his supporters not being knowledgeable about the issues.     Clinton didn't have that type of support.    So to me it is more likely Trump would have been able to rally GOP voters that under the EC felt their vote was meaningless,  than Clinton would have been able to. 

 

Clinton couldn't even get those that voted for Obama in prior elections,  as well as Sanders supporters, to come out and vote for her in the battleground states (where their votes did matter and would have won the election for Clinton).     I don't see that changing much if there was no EC.

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Especially if it's you they're thinking of.

 

But, once again, you're just making **** up. You have no way of knowing if "not too many people" think that.

Well, if many people do think that the typical America voter is

very knowledgeable about issues, those people would be wrong.

The ignorance of the U.S. voter has been repeatedly demonstrated

for many years. 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-polling-ignorance-facts-trump-zorn-perspec-0106-md-20170105-column.html

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Obama’s Been Living the Good Life Since Leaving Office

Barack Obama has been living a life of luxury since leaving office, and in honor of his birthday, here are some pictures of the former presidents life of top dollar Goldman Sachs speeches and lavish vacations.

 

The former president has taken vacations to places like Hawaii, Panama City Beach, Bar Harbor, and Martha’s Vineyard. It seems that he has been doing a lot of boating, spending time on the golf course, biking with his family, and eating a TON of ICE CREAM!

 

Barack Obama might have eaten more ice-cream than any president before him, perhaps more than any president after him.

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And people said Trump ate all the ice cream, here we have Obama hogging it all for himself.

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White House Panel Asks States For Voter Rolls and California Says ‘No’

A letter from Kris Kobach, the vice chairman of a White House commission looking into voter fraud and other irregularities, is drawing fire from some state election officials. The letter, sent Wednesday to all 50 states, requests that all publicly available voter roll data be sent to the White House by July 14, five days before the panel’s first meeting.

 

The information requested includes the names, addresses, birthdates, political party (if recorded), last four digits of the voter’s Social Security number and which elections the voter has participated in since 2006, for every registered voter in the country.

 

But in response to Kobach’s letter, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla said Thursday that he would not provide sensitive voter information to the commission.

 

“California’s participation would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud made by the President, the Vice President, and Mr. Kobach,” Padilla, a Democrat, said in a statement.

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California is afraid to release the voter rolls because it will show that illegal Democratic votes are cast in their state, perhaps hundreds of thousands of them.

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One way Trump is outperforming other presidents

Six months into his presidency, Donald Trump has one big thing going for him: a robust job market.

 

Employers added 209,000 jobs in July, while the unemployment rate fell to a remarkably low 4.3%. During Trump’s first six months in office, the US economy added nearly 1.1 million jobs, earning Trump a B+ for the state of the economy under his watch on the Yahoo Finance Trumponomics Report Card.

 

The worst performer on jobs at the six-month point was Barack Obama—also because of timing Obama had no control over. Carter’s presidency didn’t end well. A short recession began in early 1980, contributing to Carter’s reelection defeat.

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Democrats don't want to talk about the economy anymore, and no wonder. Once we got rid of Obama it is finally starting to take off.

 

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Well I agree with you that the typical American voter isn't all that knowledgeable about issues, that helps make the case that IF the election would have been based on who received the most votes, period,  and this was known way prior to the general election, Trump would have receive more votes than Clinton.

 

The entire Trump movement was driven mostly by a populist movement with many of his supporters not being knowledgeable about the issues.     Clinton didn't have that type of support.    So to me it is more likely Trump would have been able to rally GOP voters that under the EC felt their vote was meaningless,  than Clinton would have been able to. 

 

Clinton couldn't even get those that voted for Obama in prior elections,  as well as Sanders supporters, to come out and vote for her in the battleground states (where their votes did matter and would have won the election for Clinton).     I don't see that changing much if there was no EC.

Well, we'll never know for sure who would have won in 2016 if

the popular vote was the way we elected presidents. There will

always be that question as long as the EC and the popular vote

are won by different candidates. 

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Carter lost mainly due to the Iran hostage crisis and an overall

disastrous economy. Obama had a bad first six months due to

the ongoing Great Recession which started during the administration

of Dumbya, who was no Democrat. The Great Recession was the

worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, which began

during Hoover's administration. Two Republicans. Ouch. In July

of 2016 291,000 jobs were created. I'm sure Big O enjoys eating

ice cream in a bowl on top of his marble counter top. Who wouldn't?

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Donald Trump Is The Fast-Food President

Donald Trump loves fast food. The 45th president has no problem wolfing down a Quarter Pounder or digging his way through a bucket of KFC. ”Great stuff,” he once called the cheap, greasy fare.

Six months into Trump’s presidency, the fast-food industry has plenty of reason to love him back.

The oil and gas sector, coal producers and for-profit colleges are all clear winners in the Trump team’s mission to deconstruct the administrative state. But so far, fast food, retail and other lower-wage industries have benefited as much as anyone from the administration’s great regulatory rollback.

 

The previous White House viewed regulation as a means to lift up workers at the bottom of the economic ladder, particularly folks doing low-paid service work like fast food and hospitality.

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For those that believe everything they read, here is one that claims Trump is giving special treatment to fast food because he likes to wolf down Big Macs.

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Obama Dances The Tango During State Dinner In Argentina

President Obama danced the famous Argentine tango with a lithe dancer in a shimmery gold dress during the official state dinner at the Centro Cultural Kirchner in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on Wednesday night.

 

barack-obama-tango-argentina.jpg

 

The most embarrassing moment ever done by a visiting U.S. President, next to doing the wave with communists. Obama was too dumb to say no.

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MovieMadness--You left out the second and third sentences of the headline.

 

"The Trump Administration is taking the reins off low-wage employers.  It's a stark reversal of the Obama years."

 

Source--HuffingtonPost.com.

 

I'll believe HuffingtonPost.com before WorldNetDaily.com and other biased news sources.

 

Edit--The Obama tango is from March 2016.  OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Trump has done MANY more incredibly embarrassing things--most of them in the United States. 

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If one only knew how people think and behave if one did the same

thing as they did, one's experience would be extremely limited. I

don't vote, but I can guess how those that do think and behave,

taking into account that people vote for different reasons. Not

too many people think that the typical American voter is all that

knowledgeable about issues in the first place. 

The "typical" American voter is a tough one to nail down.  They individually believe what they want to and vote for whose rhetoric plays to those beliefs, regardless of the candidate's ability, willingness or authority to be able to fullfill it.  And it's mostly single-minded as to the reason why the "typical" American voter casts their votes the way they do.

 

I've mentioned this before, but it serves as a good example of what I mean, so here goes again.....

 

I had two brothers in law( now deceased) who were brothers, and both thought along the same lines.  They were both "pro gun", anti-abortion, pro capital punishment, anti gay rights, indifferent to the environment, male chauvinists, and racial bigots.  Everything republican voters are believed to be( in fact, another brother in law is ALL those things and republican too!)  yet every four years on election day, they voted for the DEMOCRAT.

 

Why?  It's because they both too, were autoworkers and long time U.A.W. members who also long believed the democrats were the party that was for "the working man",  and republicans only cared about the rich. 

 

THERE'S your "typical American voter".  And the key to how Trump won the election, if only by the EC.  He preached to the largest choir, regardless of how simple and narrow minded their repertoire was.

 

 

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White House Panel Asks States For Voter Rolls and California Says ‘No’

A letter from Kris Kobach, the vice chairman of a White House commission looking into voter fraud and other irregularities, is drawing fire from some state election officials. The letter, sent Wednesday to all 50 states, requests that all publicly available voter roll data be sent to the White House by July 14, five days before the panel’s first meeting.

 

The information requested includes the names, addresses, birthdates, political party (if recorded), last four digits of the voter’s Social Security number and which elections the voter has participated in since 2006, for every registered voter in the country.

 

But in response to Kobach’s letter, California Secretary of State Alex Padilla said Thursday that he would not provide sensitive voter information to the commission.

 

“California’s participation would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud made by the President, the Vice President, and Mr. Kobach,” Padilla, a Democrat, said in a statement.

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California is afraid to release the voter rolls because it will show that illegal Democratic votes are cast in their state, perhaps hundreds of thousands of them.

NOPE. Secretary of State Padilla's statement is correct as to the reason. The reason you added at the bottom is a Fake News argument fashioned by the Alt Right that Trump decided to adopt to justify losing the popular vote, and continues to push with this bogus committee, whose real goal is to disenfranchise millions of voters who lean Democratic.

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One way Trump is outperforming other presidents

Six months into his presidency, Donald Trump has one big thing going for him: a robust job market.

Employers added 209,000 jobs in July, while the unemployment rate fell to a remarkably low 4.3%. During Trump’s first six months in office, the US economy added nearly 1.1 million jobs, earning Trump a B+ for the state of the economy under his watch on the Yahoo Finance Trumponomics Report Card.

 

The worst performer on jobs at the six-month point was Barack Obama—also because of timing Obama had no control over. Carter’s presidency didn’t end well. A short recession began in early 1980, contributing to Carter’s reelection defeat.

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Democrats don't want to talk about the economy anymore, and no wonder. Once we got rid of Obama it is finally starting to take off.

Sorry buster. There are posts on threads here comparing the Million+ jobs created from 02/2017-07/2017 under Trump, compared with 1.7 Million for the same period last year under Obama. Additionally, Trump is taking credit for many jobs that were already in the works when he came in office.

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Donald Trump Is The Fast-Food President

Donald Trump loves fast food. The 45th president has no problem wolfing down a Quarter Pounder or digging his way through a bucket of KFC. ”Great stuff,” he once called the cheap, greasy fare.

Six months into Trump’s presidency, the fast-food industry has plenty of reason to love him back.

The oil and gas sector, coal producers and for-profit colleges are all clear winners in the Trump team’s mission to deconstruct the administrative state. But so far, fast food, retail and other lower-wage industries have benefited as much as anyone from the administration’s great regulatory rollback.

 

The previous White House viewed regulation as a means to lift up workers at the bottom of the economic ladder, particularly folks doing low-paid service work like fast food and hospitality.

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For those that believe everything they read, here is one that claims Trump is giving special treatment to fast food because he likes to wolf down Big Macs.

I'm sure employers are salivating for the rollbacks on regulation son child labor, the way Trump must salivate over a Big Mac.

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Obama Dances The Tango During State Dinner In Argentina

President Obama danced the famous Argentine tango with a lithe dancer in a shimmery gold dress during the official state dinner at the Centro Cultural Kirchner in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on Wednesday night.

 

barack-obama-tango-argentina.jpg

 

The most embarrassing moment ever done by a visiting U.S. President, next to doing the wave with communists. Obama was too dumb to say no.

Here Obama proves not only does he have respect for another country's cultural heritage, but also he is the president who we could say is the Fred Astaire of the presidency.

 

BTW--George Bush did not do a good job dancing with the Africans in their cultural tribal dances - - but Tap Dancer Shirley Temple Black did an excellent job doing African tribal dancing when she was Ambassador to Ghana.

 

I've also seen Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, show that he can understand African culture by joining in on tribal dancing as well.

 

Dancing in a foreign country with your hosts in their cultural dance is part of respecting another country's culture.

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The "typical" American voter is a tough one to nail down.  They individually believe what they want to and vote for whose rhetoric plays to those beliefs, regardless of the candidate's ability, willingness or authority to be able to fullfill it.  And it's mostly single-minded as to the reason why the "typical" American voter casts their votes the way they do.

 

I've mentioned this before, but it serves as a good example of what I mean, so here goes again.....

 

I had two brothers in law( now deceased) who were brothers, and both thought along the same lines.  They were both "pro gun", anti-abortion, pro capital punishment, anti gay rights, indifferent to the environment, male chauvinists, and racial bigots.  Everything republican voters are believed to be( in fact, another brother in law is ALL those things and republican too!)  yet every four years on election day, they voted for the DEMOCRAT.

 

Why?  It's because they both too, were autoworkers and long time U.A.W. members who also long believed the democrats were the party that was for "the working man",  and republicans only cared about the rich. 

 

THERE'S your "typical American voter".  And the key to how Trump won the election, if only by the EC.  He preached to the largest choir, regardless of how simple and narrow minded their repertoire was.

 

 

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They sound more like atypical voters, though one can understand why

they voted the way they did. Most people who felt that way would likely

not vote for Dems. Time and again, many voters have been shown to

be ignorant of even the most basic facts regarding government. So I

doubt most voters are any more knowledgeable than non-voters. 

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