mattspease

Title for an old horror film

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So, about 10 to 15 years ago on TCM I saw an old 30's or 40's horror movie and have been trying to figure out the title ever since, so I could possibly find the movie.  It was about a man and woman who are in love, but the woman's father or uncle is jealous of them and orders his henchman to kill the man. The way I remember it, the father or uncle guy lives in a creepy tower like castle with a spiral stairway similar to the one's seen in Frankenstein and Dracula, and the man is attacked by the henchman and thrown from the castle (either roof or window, can't recall) and into the water surrounding the old place. The woman tries to confront her father or uncle about the disappearance of her boyfriend on the stairway, but he hypnotizes her to forget about him and stay there with him. The boyfriend doesn't die though and floats down a river (or something) and is found by a male gypsy who nurses him back to health.  After he gets well, he seeks revenge and returns to the castle to confront the evil father or uncle.

 

Can anyone help me identify this film?

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Can anyone else help, I really want to see this film again, it was introduced back when I watched it by the late great Robert Osborne?

 

I'm supposedly one of the horror "experts" around here, and yet I can't think of it. I tried researching it, but couldn't find anything to match up with it. You can't recall any more details? Any cast members or character peculiarities? 

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I'm supposedly one of the horror "experts" around here, and yet I can't think of it. I tried researching it, but couldn't find anything to match up with it. You can't recall any more details? Any cast members or character peculiarities? 

From the description, it doesn't sound like a horror movie, which may be throwing us off.

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Maybe it's a gay-themed film, and the male gypsy nurse and the boyfriend go off into the sunset.

 

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I guess it was more a drama film, but it still had that old school Universal horror movie feel to it.  But no, the gypsy only nurses him back to health and then helps him get back to the old guys castle/tower for his revenge... the guy ends up with his girl in the end.

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I remember it mostly because of the Svengali like control the father or uncle had over the girl after her confrontation with him on the stairway.

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Well I looked up Corman's filmography & read every synopsis for titles I didn't recognise. It's not an AIP.

 

I bet you are correct it's a Universal movie-they are tight with distribution and consistantly re-used their own sets.

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Can anyone help?  This aired back in the Cable TV age on TCM, so I couldn't just click on a menu to check and find out what the films was titled like in the DirectTV age we live in now... and I didn't think the movie was going to be so good otherwise I'd have recorded it on my VCR.

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Bumping this thread, as I tried to help @mattspease with this question on the Classic Horror Film Board. I see that Matt reached out to @MovieCollectorOH on the thread that @scsu1975 recommended, but I don’t think MovieCollection responded (unless it was in a PM?). Neither I not anyone on the CHFB was able to find it; we eventually came to the conclusion that it was possibly a conflation of Caravan ’46 and Uncle Silas ’47 (or possibly an adaptation of Svengali), but we could be wrong. This one greatly intrigued me. 

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On 8/31/2017 at 2:52 AM, mattspease said:

Do any of you have any of the now playing guides that date back to the early Cable TV days of TCM that you could try and find a film that aired on there back then that I've been trying to find for years?

 

So, about 10 to 15 years ago (maybe even longer) on TCM I saw an old 30's or 40's horror movie and have been trying to figure out the title ever since, so I could possibly find the movie.  It was introduced by the late great Robert Osborne and it was about a man and woman who are in love, but the woman's father or uncle is jealous of them and orders his henchman to kill the man. The way I remember it, the father or uncle guy lives in a creepy tower like castle with a spiral stairway similar to the one's seen in Universal's Frankenstein and Dracula, and the man is attacked by the henchman and thrown from the castle (either from the roof or a window, I can't recall) and into the water surrounding the old place. The woman tries to confront her father or uncle about the disappearance of her boyfriend on the stairway, but he hypnotizes her to forget about him and stay there with him. The boyfriend doesn't die though and floats down a river (or something) and is found by a male gypsy who nurses him back to health. The hero and the gypsy became good friends and when he mentioned his plot to get revenge on the man that tried to have him killed, the gypsy tried to talk him out of it with some talk about revenge not always being the right way to go. The gypsy was just trying to get his carriage back with the rest of his fellow gypsies and asks the hero to forget about his revenge and come with him, but he couldn't sway him. So, he helps the hero get back the castle/tower and they part ways. While the hero returns to the castle to confront the evil father or uncle.

 

Can anyone help me identify this film?

 

 

1 hour ago, Salzmank said:

Bumping this thread, as I tried to help @mattspease with this question on the Classic Horror Film Board. I see that Matt reached out to @MovieCollectorOH on the thread that @scsu1975 recommended, but I don’t think MovieCollection responded (unless it was in a PM?). Neither I not anyone on the CHFB was able to find it; we eventually came to the conclusion that it was possibly a conflation of Caravan ’46 and Uncle Silas ’47 (or possibly an adaptation of Svengali), but we could be wrong. This one greatly intrigued me. 

I see you were still wondering about this.  This piqued my interest too, and I remember looking for this, and couldn't seem to come to a good candidate.  There were several that seemed lukewarm.

I could try again if you are still wondering.  Since it played on TCM it will probably be listed in this table of movies TCM has shown so far (though probably not much help in this case as it contains a lot of information).  It is missing some info from 1998 and 1999.  About a year and a half altogether is missing out of TCM's history.
http://moviecollector.us/reports/TCM_SCHEDULES_SUMMARY_alpha.htm

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Yeah, @MovieCollectorOH, there always seem to be a few apparently insoluble ones that pique my interest—damn that Sleuth singer! ;) 

While I now lean towards @mattspease’s having conflated two or more movies, as I said, I could be wrong, and I’d be happy to be wrong; I’d very much like him to find “his” movie. Thanks very much for offering to look again, though I’m sorry to hear that it’s missing a year and a half! I’ll be happy to help if I can do anything.

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On 2/8/2018 at 1:10 PM, Salzmank said:

Any news here, @MovieCollectorOH (or anyone else)?

Just a couple more options to kick around:  Manxman (1929) seems like it could be a possibility.  Also have a look at The Stranger Came Home (1954) [The Unholy Four (1954)].  Either of these have the presumed dead element.  Also both are in my listing for having played on TCM.

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Thanks, @MovieCollectorOH. I’ve just now checked those, and neither really seems to align with what @mattspease wrote, which only makes me think more that he’s conflating two (or more) different movies. Indeed, that would have to be, if he definitely remembers it on TCM, unless “his” movie happened to be in that ’98-’99 gap, correct?

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5 minutes ago, Salzmank said:

Thanks, @MovieCollectorOH. I’ve just now checked those, and neither really seems to align with what @mattspease wrote, which only makes me think more that he’s conflating two (or more) different movies. Indeed, that would have to be, if he definitely remembers it on TCM, unless “his” movie happened to be in that ’98-’99 gap, correct?

Nevertheless, there didn't seem to be any "presumed-dead" movies in IMDB's list which were direct matches.  These two seemed the closest possibilities.  I went from about 1928 up to about 1962 or 1963 I think.  These two happened to also be listed on my TCM list, but I didn't start there as that would have been more limiting - though my TCM list actually accounts for most of IMDB's "presumed-dead" movies.  Both of them have Youtube clip samples, check them out.  I wouldn't count them out based on the verbatim you see online alone.  

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Not ruling anything out, and I’ll check them out (and hope that he does), but I’d be shocked if, in the plot synopses, there were no mention of such important elements as gypsies, a tower, or hypnotism.

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33 minutes ago, Salzmank said:

Anyway, Hitchcock’s The Manxman (’29) is available in its entirety here.

https://ok.ru/video/290212809294

I'm on my way out now so I'll have to look at it tonight.

A few quick thoughts I had on Manxman (1929): IMDB key words:
attempted-suicide, friendship-between-men, father-daughter-relationship, father-disapproves-of-suitor, father-in-law-son-in-law-relationship,  fisherman, lost-at-sea, presumed-dead  

" creepy tower like castle" may or may not be related to the Inn on the Isle of Man.  No idea on gypsies, outside of "friendship-between-men"

So even if it is not the same movie the OP was looking for, there are indeed similarities.

P.S. LOL So is that where we are at now?  We have to turn to Russia in order to see our own movies?  Actually it does make a bit of sense, in a wrong sort of way.

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The OP seems to remember a great deal about the movie. I would think he would have remembered if it was a silent film; so in that case, it probably wouldn't be The Magician (1926) or The Manxman (1929), right?

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10 minutes ago, Swithin said:

The OP seems to remember a great deal about the movie. I would think he would have remembered if it was a silent film; so in that case, it probably wouldn't be The Magician (1926) or The Manxman (1929), right?

I’m sure you’re right; it’s just that we’ve fairly exhausted options for talkies. There were a few experts on the Monster Kid Classic Horror Forum, and they’d never heard of it. On the other hand, the OP couldn’t remember for sure what language it was in (though he thought English), so I suppose that goes to suggest there was dialogue.

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