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America's Gun Culture...

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No, Donald, It IS a Guns Situation

Alongside the rampant availability of assault-style weapons, it's clear that mass shootings have become more common, causing a higher death and injury toll

"....Of the top five deadliest attacks, four were done with an AR-15 or similar semi-automatic assault rifles. (The one that didn’t—the Virginia Tech massacre—used deadly hollow point bullets and a semi-automatic pistol that can fire several shots a second).

The effects of mass shootings on the public are indistinguishable from terrorist events in their ability to create fear. Yet there is a clear division in the response to these events.....

It’s as self-evident today as it was in the 1930s that letting private citizens possess weapons of mass destruction is a mammoth public policy problem affecting not only the victims, but an entire nation of people terrified that they might be next.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/11/09/no-donald-it-guns-situation

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but they know it is because over most of the 20th century democrats did everything they could to weaken our criminal justice system and shorten sentences for all crimes.

people now live in fear of the environment democrats layed the groundwork for throughout the course of the 20th century and that is why homicide is out of control in chicago.

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AP West RegionVerified account @APWestRegion 35m35 minutes ago

 
 

A gunman randomly picked targets as he unleashed gunfire around a rural California community, killing four people and wounding kids, authorities say.

https://apnews.com/daa2b18d6f5542f88c2d4b4bafd21ce1/Series-of-California-shootings-kill-5,-wound-child-at-school?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APWestRegion

 
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1 hour ago, jakeem said:

Update: 5 dead, including shooter, and 2 children wounded after multiple shootings in Northern California. One location included an elementary school http://lat.ms/2iTZ5R2 

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Another random shooting, reportedly a local nutcase--

 Who randomly ended up at the local elementary school where he wounded 2  young students and the mother of one.

 Say what you want about the United States--but not a very intelligent culture if Americans can't or refuse to get a handle on all these mass shootings.

It's just not going on any place else in the world with  a similar level of development and lifestyle.

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27 minutes ago, Princess of Tap said:

It's just not going on any place else in the world with a similar level of development and lifestyle.

Until the U.S. Constitution is repealed - and replaced with an entirely new one - I'm not sure there's anything that can really be done about America's state of retardation.

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1 hour ago, Princess of Tap said:

Another random shooting, reportedly a local nutcase--

 Who randomly ended up at the local elementary school where he wounded 2  young students and the mother of one.

 Say what you want about the United States--but not a very intelligent culture if Americans can't or refuse to get a handle on all these mass shootings.

It's just not going on any place else in the world with  a similar level of development and lifestyle.

CA already has implemented most of the reforms that the gun-control activist are calling for on a national level.

So this latest shooting in CA will be used by the NRA to show that those laws don't work and therefore aren't necessary.  

 

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5 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

So this latest shooting in CA will be used by the NRA to show that those laws don't work and therefore aren't necessary.  

Of course they don't work. Like anyone doesn't know that from the start.

The only thing that will work is to make guns illegal.

And at that, it'd take years to get them all - and many, many shootings of confiscators and owners alike.

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20 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

CA already has implemented most of the reforms that the gun-control activist are calling for on a national level.

So this latest shooting in CA will be used by the NRA to show that those laws don't work and therefore aren't necessary.  

 

that's why they're needed on a NATIONAL level!

gun laws can't work on local or state levels 'cuz they can just drive across borders to access any weapons they want

(yeah, like in Chicago!)

-_-

along w/compelling enforcement of what few there are 'on the books'

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On 11/15/2017 at 5:11 PM, mr6666 said:

that's why they're needed on a NATIONAL level!

gun laws can't work on local or state levels 'cuz they can just drive across borders to access any weapons they want

(yeah, like in Chicago!)

-_-

along w/compelling enforcement of what few there are 'on the books'

I don't disagree with you but CA type of gun-control will NEVER be passed at a national level since most voters in red and purple states do NOT want it.   

But CA is looking to pass laws that require anyone entering the state to register their guns AND if they have guns or other gun 'devices' (e.g. clips) that are illegal in CA,  they have to surrender them.  

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On 11/7/2017 at 10:33 AM, LawrenceA said:

Like I said, killing animals/fish/birds/etc. for food or protection is understandable. Trophy hunting of any sort is idiotic and completely unimpressive, in my opinion, however many "skills" are involved.

 

On 11/6/2017 at 4:30 PM, Vautrin said:

I always go with the critters and hope the hunters

will either shoot themselves or one another.  :)

 

17 hours ago, jakeem said:
Trump administration plans to reverse Obama-era ban on import of elephant trophies from Africa. http://abcn.ws/2hwDGgP 
 
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17 hours ago, jakeem said:

ABC: Trump admin. to reverse ban on elephant trophies from Africa http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-reverse-ban-elephant-trophies-africa/story?id=51178663 

Can anyone think of a reason they would have done this??

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How much longer do you think Mueller is going to let this wild animal roam free with no respect for wildlife or the  US Constitution?

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Ironically the CA shooter legally (even in CA) made his weapon at home.  He had previously surrendered his store bought weapons under CA law due to previous legal entanglements.  Apparently it is quite simple to make a gun in the comfort of your home at very low cost.  The few necessary key parts are available on line.

 

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3 hours ago, TheCid said:

Ironically the CA shooter legally (even in CA) made his weapon at home.  He had previously surrendered his store bought weapons under CA law due to previous legal entanglements.  Apparently it is quite simple to make a gun in the comfort of your home at very low cost.  The few necessary key parts are available on line.

 

Yea,  my local paper here in CA just had a story, with lots of detail about that.   According to the FBI CA is the leader in what they call 'ghost' guns due to the state's stick gun-control laws.   I.e.  where there is a will, there is a way.   

As you stay those necessary parts for these ghost guns are legal and available on-line and just considered to be 'stuff' and NOT gun parts,  per se (therefore they would be difficult to ban or restrict),  in addition with the cost of 3rd printers going down one can make them using specs available on-line.      

DB is right,  nothing short of the government confiscating guns would have any significant impact and that type of law will never pass (it would required a Constitutional amendment to overturn the 2nd) and if it did pass it would lead to massive armed conflicts between the government and gun owners.    

    

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here we go again, because there are those who find ways around the laws, let's not have ANY at all!!

.....Lame -_-

the passage of laws indicate what a society/culture is willing to accept as tolerable/acceptable

 

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15 hours ago, mr6666 said:

here we go again, because there are those who find ways around the laws, let's not have ANY at all!!

.....Lame -_-

the passage of laws indicate what a society/culture is willing to accept as tolerable/acceptable

 

You're being the lame one here;  NO one said there shouldn't be any laws (even the NRA doesn't have that position).

Instead what is bring said is that it will be difficult (really impossible) to get CA type laws passed at a national level when CA has these type of mass shooting,  especially those where home made guns where used. 

Of course now CA will pass laws related to home made guns,  which will just leave most other states way behind with regards to the scope of their gun control laws.

As for your last sentence;   This is true,  and this is why there are NOT strong National gun control laws but states like CA have strong ones.   Most citizens in purple and red states don't want them (but most citizens in CA,  like myself DO, and this is why we have them). 

Mr666,  I assume you live in a state where you have been ineffective in trying to convince the voters in your state to pass strong gun control laws.    Therefore you're frustrated because your ineffective.        

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29 minutes ago, jamesjazzguitar said:

Therefore you're frustrated because you're ineffective.        

Aren't we all?

Only the wealthy and well-connected have any power to effect.

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Close to the topic, I found a quora thread recently where (probably) an American asked the Brits what would they do in a home invasion without guns? Their responses were very enlightening. Here's the link:

https://www.quora.com/How-would-you-defend-your-home-in-the-U-K-against-a-home-invasion-without-a-firearms-license#!n=12

 

It is obvious by reading the responses that the Brits are completely unfamiliar with people entering their home BECAUSE you are there rather than IN SPITE of you being there. They seem quite naive. They keep saying "Why would you kill somebody because they are stealing your TV which is insured anyways? Just call the police." Either they have much better cops than we have in the USA or have never heard of the Carr Brothers, Charles Manson, EARONS, and a multitude of lesser known criminals who enjoy beating and **** complete strangers just because they can. So I guess if you have a bunch of rather passive criminals, which the UK does, and even more passive average citizens, their system works. It does not work in the US. Ask the gunless people of DC just how safe they feel against the DC criminals who KNOW they are gunless.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

 

Close to the topic, I found a quora thread recently where (probably) an American asked the Brits what would they do in a home invasion without guns? Their responses were very enlightening. Here's the link:

https://www.quora.com/How-would-you-defend-your-home-in-the-U-K-against-a-home-invasion-without-a-firearms-license#!n=12

 

It is obvious by reading the responses that the Brits are completely unfamiliar with people entering their home BECAUSE you are there rather than IN SPITE of you being there. They seem quite naive. They keep saying "Why would you kill somebody because they are stealing your TV which is insured anyways? Just call the police." Either they have much better cops than we have in the USA or have never heard of the Carr Brothers, Charles Manson, EARONS, and a multitude of lesser known criminals who enjoy beating and **** complete strangers just because they can. So I guess if you have a bunch of rather passive criminals, which the UK does, and even more passive average citizens, their system works. It does not work in the US. Ask the gunless people of DC just how safe they feel against the DC criminals who KNOW they are gunless.

 

 

Canadians are as naïve as the Brits, I guess.

Strange how we have so many fewer per capita heinous killings of the kind you describe than you people south of the 49th.

Of course, guns being illegal up here (other than licensed hunting rifles) couldn't possibly have anything to do with how much safer we and the Brits seem to be.

It must be something else.....maybe something in your water?

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7 minutes ago, darkblue said:

Canadians are as naïve as the Brits, I guess.

Strange how we have so many fewer per capita heinous killings of the kind you describe than you people south of the 49th.

Of course, guns being illegal up here (other than licensed hunting rifles) couldn't possibly have anything to do with how much safer we and the Brits seem to be.

It must be something else.....maybe something in your water?

Maybe you have less heinous natural born killers than we do? I could fill this post with links to home invasions in which the home invaders thought it would be fun to ra-p-e the wife in front of the husband, maybe the daughter too, because they get to have sex, imasculate the husband, and ruin the entire family. Any money or valuables taken were an afterthought. And tell me, why would criminals ever obey a law outlawing guns when by their very definition they are outlaws in the first place?

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9 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

Maybe you have less heinous natural born killers than we do? I could fill this post with links to home invasions in which the home invaders thought it would be fun to ra-p-e the wife in front of the husband, maybe the daughter too, because they get to have sex, imasculate the husband, and ruin the entire family. Any money or valuables taken were an afterthought. And tell me, why would criminals ever obey a law outlawing guns when by their very definition they are outlaws in the first place?

Do you ever wonder why so much of that goes on in America than in apparently more civilized countries like Canada?

Why is there so much more horrible random violence in your country than in other first-world nations? What is it that's causing that?

Don't you wonder?

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Just now, darkblue said:

Do you ever wonder why so much of that goes on in America (I assume that's the country you're speaking if) than in apparently more civilized countries like Canada and Britain?

Why is there so much more horrible random violence in your country than in other first-world nations? What is it that's causing that?

I actually do wonder about it very much. I think it is partly because we have an "Every man for himself" society that causes the disenfranchised to grow up angry. These poor people often have little adult supervision and hang about with bad company as youths so they grow up into angry mean adults. Often they are angry mean and dangerous as kids. We once had a large and secure middle class, but we are quickly sinking into a society into which there are a few fabulously wealthy people and lots of people with little job or financial security. And it just shows no sign of not continuing to slide in that direction. 

The bottom line is I can do nothing about the larger problem as long as people are afraid that one thin dime of their tax money is going to even one person who might be gaming the system. Come on now. There has never been a system that hasn't been gamed by somebody.

So, as a practical person, as long as these angry mean folks exist, regardless of how they got that way, I need to protect myself. I just won't pretend and put my head in the sand and think it can't happen to me. Why wouldn't it (a violent home invasion) happen to me?

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11 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

I actually do wonder about it very much. I think it is partly because we have an "Every man for himself" society that causes the disenfranchised to grow up angry. These poor people often have little adult supervision and hang about with bad company as youths so they grow up into angry mean adults. Often they are angry mean and dangerous as kids. We once had a large and secure middle class, but we are quickly sinking into a society into which there are a few fabulously wealthy people and lots of people with little job or financial security. And it just shows no sign of not continuing to slide in that direction. 

The bottom line is I can do nothing about the larger problem as long as people are afraid that one thin dime of their tax money is going to even one person who might be gaming the system. Come on now. There has never been a system that hasn't been gamed by somebody.

So, as a practical person, as long as these angry mean folks exist, regardless of how they got that way, I need to protect myself. I just won't pretend and put my head in the sand and think it can't happen to me. Why wouldn't it (a violent home invasion) happen to me?

We've found that a healthy mix of socialism with capitalism creates a much more tolerable hybrid system, where everyone is free to get rich but those who are much less lucky or talented (or ambitious) can still exist in a reasonably dignified and safe manner - nothing fancy, but not conditions of inhuman-ness.

Much like Denmark, Finland, Sweden and a few other leading edges of civilization.

Of course, none of us have ever been obsessed with declaring ourselves to be #1 every moment of our lives- which kind of reeks of insecurity, if you know what I mean.

Maybe that's it. Maybe your crime rate is all a product of insecurity?

 

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27 minutes ago, calvinnme said:

And tell me, why would criminals ever obey a law outlawing guns when by their very definition they are outlaws in the first place?

You're right, what's the point of having any laws at all...I mean, criminals don't obey laws, do they?

You have many valid points, Calvin, but you undermine them with silly statements like that one.

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